Why Marth + Ike?

[Soledai]

The way that reads given the context of your previous posts isn't really leaving a door open at all. I realise this is now getting into semantics, so I preemptively apologise but you can't quote somebody who explictly denies a possibility, then make simplistic statements to justify it, THEN say "I'll percieve it my own way until proven otherwise" and give room for doubt. The perception you've given is "there's no validity to this claim", and the so called "proof" for why it's a possibility is right there, and you've been denying it!

Are you sure? I never denied it at all, you might have to find where I did.

And I don't think when I said, "However, this as far as I read, discusses it being a possibility." denied anything, that acknowledges it, I would think.

But we both already know and this is technicality at this point.

Edited November 22, 2014 by Soledai

[Alertcircuit]

As for why people ship Marth and Ike: they are two good looking characters in a video game. It's all that it takes, it's not even about gender.

Pretty much this.

On the topic of Ike's sexuality, I'm for him being either bi or asexual.

[Luchi]

My God, are people STILL discussing Ike's sexuality after SEVEN years? Jeez laweez.

I think he's asexual, in any case. I can't for the life of me see him romantically involved with anyone.

[Cymbalina's Revenge]

You should see what they do to Link and Pit

Ike and Pit was actually a big hot thing for a while after Brawl came out, because SSB shippers already had Marth paired up with Link or Roy.

As to why... why not? They're pretty and it's the Internet.

[Dragoncat]

Because it's the internet.

That's the only answer you need...

[Anacybele]

Yeah, because it's the internet. There's a rule we call rule 34, and that means that if it exists, there's porn/sexual/shipping stuff of it.

Though I'm on the side that doesn't believe Ike is gay and that he may not understand what some of his actions can imply. Remember, he only grew up with a father, Soren, and a younger sister. And clearly, none of them could possibly have given him a real understanding of girls and romance. Greil could have, but he busied himself training Ike to be a mercenary instead, then he got killed. And Ike's memory of his mother was mostly erased, so he barely even knows a mother's love. I think he just doesn't understand this stuff yet. Even when Shinon (while drunk) is all "yer in love with a pwetty wittle princess" Ike is like "what's the matter with you?" Either Ike genuinely doesn't know what the hell Shinon is going on about or he has some sort of feelings for Elincia that he can't figure out/doesn't realize (and likely hiding this because he and his troops are in the middle of a huge war). He doesn't say anything on the subject. He more or less pauses and changes it.

Not to mention Priam kinda throws a wrench into the whole gay idea. Yeah, he could be from Mist's line, but that would mean Boyd x Mist is absolutely canon because her non-Boyd ending has her remaining single for the rest of her life. And IS more often than not likes leaving the canonicity of paired endings up to our headcanons.

Soren, though, he may be gay given how glued he is to Ike. But at the same time, he may also not understand these kinds of feelings because of his own history. He didn't have any parents or nothing to teach him this sort of thing.

Edited November 22, 2014 by Anacybele

[Dragoncat]

Yeah. We can ramble about this until we're blue in the face, guys. The internet is the internet. It doesn't matter how much evidence either side finds...both sides will be vocal and rule 34, no exceptions.

[KMT4ever]

Yeah. We can ramble about this until we're blue in the face, guys. The internet is the internet. It doesn't matter how much evidence either side finds...both sides will be vocal and rule 34, no exceptions.

True. Still, why not have some discussion as long it stays civil like it has been. I personally submit to the idea that Ike is asexual given how aloof he is towards everybody who's not in some sort of distress. He probably couldn't care less about romantically loving someone when he has him/her as friends, that's the sort of person he is. Funnily enough I like both Ike/Elincia and Ike/Mia (which is funny in as of itself), but "canonically" I'm willing to bet that Ike is asexual. How that explains Priam though, is a mystery. I mean, Priam looks (somewhat) like Ike, is obsessed with training and meat, and has the Ragnell. So Ike almost certainly had a kid at some point. Too many contradictions!

[Anacybele]

Yeah, a civil discussion is fine with me. Ike eventually starting his own family to explain Priam's existence could be one of those cases where the unexpected thing happens. Ike doesn't seem interested in romance at first, but eventually it happens to him. And imo, he IS kind of a family man because he calls the mercenaries a sort of family (which always made me wonder why he just up and left them after RD...wtf writers). And Ike seems like he would want to pass on the valuable knowledge he learned from his father.

Also, picturing Ike as a dad just makes me giggle sometimes. lol

"Uh...how does the diaper go on again?"

"Okay, here comes the...flying...Pegasus! Wooo." (feeding baby)

"A funny face, eh? It's worth a try. Okay, let's see if Daddy can make you laugh!" *makes a face* *the baby cries even more* "Aaack!"

Just...yeah. XD I just imagine him being kinda clueless and blundering for awhile. lol But given his values and beliefs and stuff, Ike would still be a great dad, methinks. ^^

Edited November 23, 2014 by Anacybele

[Dragoncat]

Those little blurbs made me lol. "How does the diaper go on again?" Oh gawd.

[Buttocksinator]

If a man comforting another man is considered homosexual then every male in my church is gay. You could be forgiven for thinking Christians are all homosexuals with the sheer magnitude of bromance that goes on during a Sunday service. Love doesn't necessarily mean in a romantic way.

[Dragoncat]

If a man comforting another man is considered homosexual then every male in my church is gay. You could be forgiven for thinking Christians are all homosexuals with the sheer magnitude of bromance that goes on during a Sunday service. Love doesn't necessarily mean in a romantic way.

You sir have won a million internets.

[Anacybele]

Those little blurbs made me lol. "How does the diaper go on again?" Oh gawd.

See what I mean? XD

And now I want to include those quotes in fanfiction. lol

And yeah, Buttocksinator, you did just win a million internets.

Edited November 23, 2014 by Anacybele

[Dragoncat]

And now I want to include those quotes in fanfiction. lol

If you do that then you also win a million internets. And when the kid's older, like 2...

*gives kid a stick* Time for combat training! All you have to do is hit as hard as you can as high as you can... *kid whacks him in the family jewels*

Next thing you know he's on the ground sputtering with the little rugrat crawling all over him: "...Dada?"

[Alertcircuit]

Not to mention Priam kinda throws a wrench into the whole gay idea.

Just dropping in the possibility of adoption or Ike being pansexual, if you believe there are transgendered characters in FE.

If a man comforting another man is considered homosexual then every male in my church is gay. You could be forgiven for thinking Christians are all homosexuals with the sheer magnitude of bromance that goes on during a Sunday service. Love doesn't necessarily mean in a romantic way.

I guess it's also kind of an Elincia thing too though, and if his interactions with her are super different from his interactions with Soren.

Tbh I haven't even heard of people shipping Marth and Ike till today. Thought it was always Marth/Roy.

[Axie]

no he definitely doesn't win a million internets for being simplistic, ignorant and parroting a previous poster.

love between two men doesn't need to be romantic but it may be romantic just like love between a man and a woman may or may not be romantic (like Ike and Elincia aren't romantic to most people - oh yes I went there).

it's actually sort of offensive that people think it's okay to be so simplistic about same-sex relationships as if they were any different from opposite-sex ones. you don't need to believe in this or any other couple but don't say "if they are gay then a bunch of other people are gay too" because it just means "I think all gay people are the same".

[Jester Capri]

Marth is canonically straight -_-.

I haven't played PoR or RD, but if Ike doesn't get married at the end, or has marriage choices, I'd place him as asexual or straight.

Sure, if they were to meet, they might be good friends; just not completely gay over each other.

But, this is the internet, so I should expect wacky and zany ideas like two straight boys falling for each other, or a normal basketball manga with mostly guys ends up with them being gay (in their fantasies, which end up being somewhat universally accepted, barring the author)

[Tryhard]

Every fire emblem character is actually gay and babies are delivered by the stork, you guys should know this.

I always thought Ike was asexual, but he could also very well be gay or bi.

video game characters, how the fuck am I supposed to know

Edited November 23, 2014 by Tryhard

[Buttocksinator]

no he definitely doesn't win a million internets for being simplistic, ignorant and parroting a previous poster.

love between two men doesn't need to be romantic but it may be romantic just like love between a man and a woman may or may not be romantic (like Ike and Elincia aren't romantic to most people - oh yes I went there).

it's actually sort of offensive that people think it's okay to be so simplistic about same-sex relationships as if they were any different from opposite-sex ones. you don't need to believe in this or any other couple but don't say "if they are gay then a bunch of other people are gay too" because it just means "I think all gay people are the same".

Well that's a little harsh don't you think? I never at any point said same sex relationships were different that heterosexual ones, you just assumed that. In fact what I actually said was quite close to what you did "love between two men doesn't need to be romantic but it may be romantic just like love between a man and a woman may or may not be romantic" some dudes like women, other dudes like dudes. I get that, it doesn't bother me.

This goes both ways, I could consider it "offensive" that you think homosexuality is any less "simplistic" than heterosexuality, gays are people too, they aren't any different from the rest of us.

The point of my post was this, if sensitivity and compassion for your fellow man/woman is the only way in which you gauge someones sexuality, many of my christian brothers and sisters are homosexuals. This little convo between Ike and Soren doesn't scream "gay" to me, all I see is a man who is concerned with the emotional state of his friend whom he clearly cares about a lot. and i'm not saying he isn't gay with certainty, because I have no idea what his orientation is.

Is he gay? I don't know, you would have to ask Ike that question.

I'm not homophobic, please don't put words in my mouth.

[Baldrick]

The point of my post was this, if sensitivity and compassion for your fellow man/woman is the only way in which you gauge someones sexuality, many of my christian brothers and sisters are homosexuals.

Only homosexual? Not bisexual/pansexual etc? Or do the men have no compassion for women and vice versa in your church?

Nobody challenges straight pairings the way they challenge gay pairings. Like it or not, you are displaying a double standard for orientations.

[Axie]

Nobody challenges straight pairings the way they challenge gay pairings. Like it or not, you are displaying a double standard for orientations.

Thank you so much for this. YOU win a million internets.

Sorry if I was harsh, Buttocksinator, but you did come off as ignorant with your church argument because it oversimplifies a complex relationship only because it's between two guys. Sensitivity and compassion isn't the only thing about Ike and Soren that makes them look like a couple.

[Anacybele]

If you do that then you also win a million internets. And when the kid's older, like 2...

*gives kid a stick* Time for combat training! All you have to do is hit as hard as you can as high as you can... *kid whacks him in the family jewels*

Next thing you know he's on the ground sputtering with the little rugrat crawling all over him: "...Dada?"

Oh my gods, that's perfect. XD Although I'd make the kid a little older still, I don't see any parent trying to teach a two year old to use a stick like a sword.

Just dropping in the possibility of adoption or Ike being pansexual, if you believe there are transgendered characters in FE.

Priam wouldn't really be Ike's descendant if he was from an adopted child. Transgenderism, while that's possible, seems even less likely than Ike being gay, imo. He doesn't show any interest whatsoever in feminine things and such.

[Dragoncat]

Oh my gods, that's perfect. XD Although I'd make the kid a little older still, I don't see any parent trying to teach a two year old to use a stick like a sword.

Yeah true....maybe 5 or 6? Or maybe he just gets a wild idea. That he'll never get again.

[Anacybele]

Six years old sounds good. At least at that age, I can see Ike's little boy running around with a stick trying to make like his dad. lol

[Ownagepuffs]

Only homosexual? Not bisexual/pansexual etc? Or do the men have no compassion for women and vice versa in your church?

Nobody challenges straight pairings the way they challenge gay pairings. Like it or not, you are displaying a double standard for orientations.

He mentioned homosexuality because homosexuality is the subject at hand.

Nobody challenges straight pairings? Have you ever witnessed a canon war? Ever? In all the years you've been alive? A "straight" cnon war can get every bit as ugly. The generalizations are strong in this post.