Least favourite Lord and why?

[Radiant head]

He never gets punished for backtalking Sanaki, which would send him to the guillotine in reality, especially since he's a commoner.

So you think the game would have been better if Ike went to prison and the game just ended...?

[Chloe Neo]

Roy as he never ends up as a good unit for me and personality, what's that ? He doesn't even have one.

[Ϲharlie]

I'd say Eirika. She's incredibly naive and foolish, and it seems like she always needs someone to look out for her. I could forgive this early on in the story, but Eirika doesn't develop a whole lot over the course of the story.

[Magical Glace]

So you think the game would have been better if Ike went to prison and the game just ended...?

I just think it could have been handled slightly more realistically...

I just think he shouldn't have been forgiven so quickly. At least have him sent to jail and busted out... or something. Then try to take back Crimea without Begnion, while simultaneously fleeing from its army. And when the task is over, He should have fled into the shadows for the rest of his life.

[EricaofRenais]

I would have to say Lyn and Erika because while you start with them they always end up being out classed by the other lords in the games and while I love FE games for making strong female characters I really like, they have yet to make a female lord I actually think is really a great unit.

[Knight]

Forgot about FE12 Marth, but as a whole, Marth is one of my favourite lords so...

This thread is going to descend into chaos soon.

[Jiac]

Lucina.

Screw spoilers the game has been out for 3 years and you're on a Fire Emblem forum.

She is of the Lord class but if this is talking about mainstream Lords that cause Game Overs when you die I'm sorry.

Her character is too bland and her determination leaves little room for her personality. She is pretty much the one who is trying to sell Fire Emblem Awakening, by pretending "Marth" came back. Also, her feelings get in the way of her determination, but we don't get to relate with her due to the story just forcing her down your throat rather than developing her as a character. Overall she was there to give a reason for timeline bullshit, just to bring children back, make the story "feel more complicated" and just to increase the sells of Fire Emblem: Awakening because "Marth" returned.

[Anacybele]

So much hate for Ike in this thread, it makes me sad. :(

But Lord Raven summed up everything I'd be arguing back to defend him. So I have no place in that area right now.

Anyway, my least favorite USED to be Micaiah, but now it's Lucina. Micaiah at least had a few interesting qualities, like her Heron brand, and she has a cute design. Lucina, there is NOTHING I like about her. She's very bland, her design is ugly, and I don't even like her voice. Her voice sounds bland to me too. I've looked at a few of her supports to see if there was more personality to her, and I still saw nothing of interest. I also feel that she's rather selfish in the chapter 21 scene if the Avatar is her mother or husband (Sangyul can explain why, she's better at it than me). She is just a poor character all around and her insane popularity astounds me. Her fans tend to annoy me too, in fact. I've been bashed numerous times for disliking her.

Micaiah I felt was bland and boring too, and poorly written. But I felt she could've been an interesting character if she'd had the right writers and such behind her. But it was right that Ike regained the spotlight in RD. By that point, all Micaiah was really doing was serving as Yune's host.

I also dislike Chrom. He was cool to me at first and made me laugh a few times, but other than that, he just got more and more boring. And as Ranger Jack Walker said, his character is too inconsistent. He says at some point that one life means nothing against millions, but he's fine with just putting Grima to sleep in order to save the Avatar. Just...what. I also feel that Chrom is an Ike-wannabe that just fails at doing so. He leads a group similar to Ike's mercenaries, he's somewhat muscley, he gets Aether, etc. But Ike's Aether is way cooler, Ike has a way less stupid outfit, and his mercenaries were far more interesting overall (I do like Stahl and Cordelia and of course Freddy, but I still liked the Greil Mercenaries more overall).

Edited February 1, 2015 by Anacybele

[Shinehollow]

Eliwood because his growths suck (I can't even use him anymore I'm tired of his growths going toward the wrong thing) and his personality his bland compared to most other lords.

[Lord Raven]

To me Ike always came across as more of a symbol, instead of a proper leader in his own right since Soren basically came up with all the strategies and I bellieve Titania managed the army.

just putting this out there, I don't think most people in Ike's position really micro manage so much as give a general idea of what they want happening. It would be incredibly stressful if he really did both those things among other things, but in reality he probably dips his hand and leaves the specialists to do the rest.

As for your other points, generalizing people is not good I agree but it's what a lot of people actually do. Given how snooty begnion royals are and the whole mess in Daein it's not unfounded.

I just think it could have been handled slightly more realistically...

I just think he shouldn't have been forgiven so quickly. At least have him sent to jail and busted out... or something. Then try to take back Crimea without Begnion, while simultaneously fleeing from its army. And when the task is over, He should have fled into the shadows for the rest of his life.

given the situation it felt more like a "oh I was just fucking with you lol wait you're serious??" type of situation Edited February 1, 2015 by Lord Raven

[Draco]

Chrom. Boring as hell. He's willing to sacrifice the world for one person, etc.

[Anacybele]

Oh, on Ike's mistakes... He DID screw up when he blindly went after Rolf and Mist when they got kidnapped too, dunno if this was mentioned. He got punishment for that. Well, Greil WANTED to punish him AND Oscar, Boyd, and Rhys as well, but the group couldn't afford it at the time.

And even if Ike wasn't jailed or anything, he was still called out on his outburst at Sanaki. It isn't like in Awakening where the fact that Chrom left Plegia high and dry after defeating Gangrel wasn't even MENTIONED, let alone Chrom being called out for it. Ike was at least stated to have handed Daein over to Begnion. And that wasn't a smart choice either because Begnion treated Daein like dirt and Daein grew to resent Ike for this. Ike wasn't intending for Begnion to treat them that way, but he DID know about how stupid the nobles there are.

Edited February 1, 2015 by Anacybele

[Radiant head]

I just think it could have been handled slightly more realistically...

I just think he shouldn't have been forgiven so quickly. At least have him sent to jail and busted out... or something. Then try to take back Crimea without Begnion, while simultaneously fleeing from its army. And when the task is over, He should have fled into the shadows for the rest of his life.

So basically you would have preferred if they blew up a minor plot point to demonstrate Ike's brashness into something that completely changes the plot of Path of Radiance? Yeah no thanks.

[Anacybele]

Well, Glaceon Mage hates PoR's plot. Just saying.

Edited February 1, 2015 by Anacybele

[Radiant head]

I'm just trying to imagine the prologue narration of Radiant Dawn.

"Ike is now an outlaw and enemy of the state of Begnion...because he raised his voice."

Edited February 1, 2015 by Radiant head

[Just call me AL]

Some of the Lyn and Lucina hate in this thread makes me sad.

Anyways. In terms of gameplay, my least favorite would have to be FE11 Marth, Eliwood, and Roy. The first one I feel like has much of hard time on the hardest difficulty in his game. The latter, too much like his father, and is only further hampered by his absurdly late promotion. The middle one, I kinda find to be overrated. Especially seeing how much better his two compatriots are.

Personality-wise, Roy, Eirika, Ephraim, and Marth never really appealed to me. I just found them boring. Also, Chrom to an extent, considering how inconsistent he is.

Edited February 1, 2015 by Just call me AL

[CT075]

i'd argue that most of people's issues with ike (and micaiah, although i haven't really seen anyone say her yet?) come from the fact that the tellius saga had rather poor writing in general than the characters themselves

wrt actual topic, i'd probably go with roy, for reasons a lot of other people have said; he's basically marth with no other real defining traits

Edited February 1, 2015 by CT075

[bottlegnomes]

I would say Roy because he's the most uninteresting lord in the series, but my hate for Lyn supercedes that.

What? What? What?

They both do that too.

Is that your sole reason for hating her? Or is that in addition to others?

The idea isn't purity. It's exactly the opposite, it's a mix of order and chaos. That's the opposite of purity, that's balance. On top of that, Greil touched it and killed his wife causing him to sever his tendons, retire from the forces and make a mercenary crew. And of course he was stronger than Zelgius at his prime, considering that he was a pretty powerful general and Zelgius was younger, I think prime Greil basically goes toe-to-toe with prime Zelgius, but we never see this (well we do, because Ike is supposedly equivalent to prime Greil).

Agree with almost all of what you said, just two minor points on this. IIRC, balance is essentially synonymous with order how RD uses it. So in this case, it would be the opposite of chaos, and Mist would be mostly dominated by order. That said, RD goes to great lengths to show that chaos isn't bad, so order/balance can't automatically be equated with purity and good, and chaos can't automatically be equated with evil.

As for the second, IIRC, Zelg said that Ike was stronger than Greil in his prime, but I don't remember for sure.

On topic, I guess Ephraim or Eirika since I legitimately forgot they existed unit someone mentioned them.

[Magical Glace]

So basically you would have preferred if they blew up a minor plot point to demonstrate Ike's brashness into something that completely changes the plot of Path of Radiance? Yeah no thanks.

It's pretty boring imo.

Just seems like another big country invades little country and little country fights back FE like 1, 6, or 8. At least 6 and 8 had good antagonists... 9 didn't even have that. I consider Ashnard a dull and boring villain.

I'm just trying to imagine the prologue narration of Radiant Dawn.

"Ike is now an outlaw and enemy of the state of Begnion...because he raised his voice."

That would be interesting imo. It would be cool to have an "outlaw lord". And I would probably find Ike to better overall for it.

[Daichi]

Ephraim.

He is an unrealistically brilliant Ace who is amazing at nearly everything he does, and his one weak subject (anything to do with books) borders on being an Informed Attribute - he’s such an incredible tactician that you wouldn’t know he’s Book Dumb unless you paid attention to flashbacks. You want to know how great of a tactician he is? He can storm entire castles with a mere three allies like nobody’s business, and he escapes the clutches of Valter, who almost curbstomped Seth at the beginning of the game and can outrun Ephraim’s entire group. He abuses cutscene power to live through the plot, gets away with his Leeroy Jenkins tendencies when he clearly should not be able to power through certain situations, and is unrealistically perfect in every way conceivable. And of course, everyone idolizes him. The only ones who don’t are either villains (and even then, Valter is clearly… excited to fight such a Worthy Opponent) or they’re Innes (who is all but stated to be jealous of how unrealistically perfect Ephraim is). Lyon’s jealousy of Ephraim’s sheer perfection actually caused him the psychological damage that drove him into his position, as revealed in Ephraim’s route. No, seriously. Chrom is hypocritical, but he's funny. Eirika is naive, but she's interesting. Ephraim is just a Gary Stu.

[Anacybele]

An outlaw lord isn't a bad idea. In fact, I have something similar in mind for my current big FE fic. The character isn't an actual LORD and won't appear for a few more chapters, but she is a princess and an outlaw in her own country because she doesn't believe what the rest of the country believes and they believe her to be a disgrace to the nation.

So a lord like that would be cool, trying to regain his/her country's respect and show how the nation is doing things wrong and such.

[DarkSage764]

Roy, he's pretty sucky stat-wise for a while and difficult to train.

[Thor Odinson]

i don't like roy because his stats really suck and unlike his dad he doesn't even get a horse to do the whole trade-canto thing

I don't really hate him outside of gameplay though

And of course, everyone idolizes him. The only ones who don’t are either villains (and even then, Valter is clearly… excited to fight such a Worthy Opponent) or they’re Innes (who is all but stated to be jealous of how unrealistically perfect Ephraim is).

IIRC Seth doesn't idolize Ephraim as well. In fact, I remember Seth yelling at Ephraim for being a turd sometimes.

Which doesn't detract from the rest of your points, but I thought I'd just bring him up in justice to Seth's character, at least.

Edited February 1, 2015 by Thor Odinson

[Radiant head]

It's pretty boring imo.

Just seems like another big country invades little country and little country fights back FE like 1, 6, or 8. At least 6 and 8 had good antagonists... 9 didn't even have that. I consider Ashnard a dull and boring villain.That would be interesting imo. It would be cool to have an "outlaw lord". And I would probably find Ike to better overall for it.

So basically there's a recurring trope in several FE games, but somehow only FE9 is at fault for using it? And you hate Ike because he isn't some hypothetical outlaw character you imagined up?

And Ashnard is an amazing villain.

[Lord Raven]

i'd argue that most of people's issues with ike (and micaiah, although i haven't really seen anyone say her yet?) come from the fact that the tellius saga had rather poor writing in general than the characters themselves

Speak for Radiant Dawn, but Path of Radiance was perfectly fine.

It's pretty boring imo.

Just seems like another big country invades little country and little country fights back FE like 1, 6, or 8. At least 6 and 8 had good antagonists... 9 didn't even have that. I consider Ashnard a dull and boring villain.

What was wrong with Ashnard?