MartyTheDemonSlayer Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I'm not sure about that. If this was an absolute LTC tier list she would definitely be ranked highly, but you don't need an early rescue staff playing for 270 turns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 where should Janna/Femina go on this list? They're both pretty decent subs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliban of Sycorax Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I think Claude!Fee and Noish!Fee should be ranked separately, but every other Fee can afford to be clumped together. Levin doesn't benefit Fee as much, and she really doesn't do anything that much more spectacular than the other dads. I personally rank Claude!Fee right above Claude!Sety. He really only owns Reserve and Valkyrie, because Leaf still wants Rescue. Claude!Fee picks up Libro, Warp, Return (if Nanna for some reason doesn't already have it) and other goodies to fly around and be a crazy staffbot. She still has decent combat enough where she can use the Arena for cash, plus her flight usually allows her to get Villages others may not. She's never strapped for money so she can even buy Silence/Sleep if she wishes. She can use every staff not named Reserve, Rescue, or Valkyrie. That's a great list. I'd rank it like this, roughly: Beo!Delmud Claude!Fee Claude!Sety Noish!Fee Nanna Claude!Lana Fee etc, etc... I do believe Claude!Lana deserves a higher mention because early Rescue. She may even go above Nanna, honestly. I also don't think Nanna needs to be separated; her father doesn't matter as much as Delmud (although Azel and Fin are her best options, but they're not leagues ahead of her other dads). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 could Lex!Fee be merged with Noish!Fee? it's pretty much elite+minor neir vs Noish's skillset and decent growths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliban of Sycorax Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Possibly, I've never done Lex!Fee personally because my Lex is usually glued to Tiltyu. Lex/Fury is definitely not priority, but it's possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omglmaowtf Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Question: does the tier assume the character is loaded with rings or +stat weapons, or without? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moishe Oofnik Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 Question: does the tier assume the character is loaded with rings or +stat weapons, or without? Inheritence and Item use is basicly a given (Like giving the knight ring to ardan is stupid but giving it to sylvia is an amazing idea) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliban of Sycorax Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Question: does the tier assume the character is loaded with rings or +stat weapons, or without? I'm going to wager that a few of them are a given (i.e. Elite Ring passed to Seliph, Pursuit/Bargain to Levin!Arthur, the usuals) but as for the others I'm sure there's leg room. Power Ring!Levin!Fee is very good, for example, and I don't see her competing for it with anyone else in her generation (at the least she can sell it later for cash). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 has anyone tried DewxFury? also, do we assume that celice has the barrier+defense rings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zasplach Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 You don't assume they have anything and everything, just the standard requirements, ie elite ring on the Serlis. I always find that the stat rings are adjusted based on the pairings I've made. I can't imagine a Dew-Ferry pairing is very good, nobody gets silly sol sword, and bargain is pretty much completely wasted, considering they both clear the arena really easily. Like with everyone, Dew will give good overall growths, but nothing that really makes them super powerful. If you're gonna do a physical paring with Ferry, might as well make it Noish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyTheDemonSlayer Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Elite ring and leg ring and the hero sword is probably what Celice is assumed to have. Maybe the light sword and magic ring as well. Anything else on him is debatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zasplach Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Elite ring and leg ring and the hero sword is probably what Celice is assumed to have. Maybe the light sword and magic ring as well. Anything else on him is debatable. If we're assuming that we finish in 270 turns, does Celice even need to have the leg ring? I make 270 without it and it's a lot more convenient on Leen anyway. You don't have to pound stuff on to Celice if you aren't going for super efficiency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyTheDemonSlayer Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Hmm fair enough. I guess we should only assume elite ring and a powerful sword then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 hero sword+light sword+maybe sigurd's silver sword sounds sufficient enough imo. I mean you can just sell the silver sword and then have oifaye buy it. enabling him to gently carress earlygame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zasplach Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Eh, he has to have the elite ring, has to have. How you distribute the swords is mostly preference. Giving him one high kill count sword is a necessity, after that, dealer's choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moishe Oofnik Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) If we're assuming that we finish in 270 turns, does Celice even need to have the leg ring? I make 270 without it and it's a lot more convenient on Leen anyway. You don't have to pound stuff on to Celice if you aren't going for super efficiency. 270 is the most that we are allowed to go saving more turns to get a below 270 turns score is very welcomed If Leg ring!Celice saves more turns then Leg ring!Leen then celice is assumed to have it because they are the 2 main canidates for example Knight ring!Leen is assumed because she utilizes it the best saves the most turns with it etc. but we are also not ltcing so pairing is much more flexiable Edited March 13, 2015 by TTPK_Tal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 giving the best shit to celice is probably the best idea tho. Leg ring anything is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 270 is the most that we are allowed to go saving more turns to get a below 270 turns score is very welcomed If Leg ring!Celice saves more turns then Leg ring!Leen then celice is assumed to have it because they are the 2 main canidates for example Knight ring!Leen is assumed because she utilizes it the best saves the most turns with it etc. but we are also not ltcing so pairing is much more flexiable Going by this then yes, I think Claud Lana should be just above fatherless Finn then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojinbo Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 The only notable difference Claude!Lana makes is that Leaf gets access to the Rescue Staff as soon as he promotes which I'd estimate to happen in Ch.8 before or slightly after Conote castle. That's not even half a chapter before Claude!Sety would show up with the Rescue Staff anyway so at best it can save like 2 turns between Manster and Conote Castle if you actually get to promote Leaf at the beginning of Ch.8. Maybe another one or two turns are saved between Conote and Mease, idk. It honestly isn't a whole lot if you go for a 270 turn clear. Lana should be just ranked as Lana anyway with no consideration of who her father is imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Claude Sety can only use the Rescue staff if we paired Aideen Azel. Lana can help save maybe 2-3 turns in Chapter 6 by moving ahead when Celice has to seize castles. She can help get people out of Yied faster, and help Celice come back from Darna. I guess she doesn't really help in 8 or 9 due to Celice being mounted by then and her still being on foot, but by then Leaf can take the staff and idk but I feel she should kind of get some credit for the extra availability of the staff. Plus I guess she could help Corple recruit Hannibal or something. I think kids should only be split if having a different father makes you have to reconsider something about how you'd use them. So while for the most part, all the sword twins have the same purpose, there's kind of a difference if you do Azel Ayra for magic swords. Claude Lana works like this, where you know take Rescue into consideration much earlier than normally possible. Another thing is that there's one 3 ways we can get the Rescue Staff before chapter 10. Claude Aideen, Azel Aideen and Claude Fury, Azel Aideen and Claude Sylvia. Claude Aideen doesn't force us into a second pairing, giving us more freedom for something like Lex Sylvia so her kids can promote and get levels faster for EXP ranks, and whoever we want for Fury whether it's Noish for a better Fee or Levin or whoever for Sety. Edited March 13, 2015 by Psych Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moishe Oofnik Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Claude Sety can only use the Rescue staff if we paired Aideen Azel. Lana can help save maybe 2-3 turns in Chapter 6 by moving ahead when Celice has to seize castles. She can help get people out of Yied faster, and help Celice come back from Darna. I guess she doesn't really help in 8 or 9 due to Celice being mounted by then and her still being on foot, but by then Leaf can take the staff and idk but I feel she should kind of get some credit for the extra availability of the staff. Plus I guess she could help Corple recruit Hannibal or something. Lana isnt picky about and her 5 move makes her rescue prowess preety weak (she can get the sword twins somewhere doe) Claude!sety comes as the ultimate stave bot sporting 1 more move and actual offence Lanas early game as a staffbot makes her unrivaled until late 7/8 not her claud rescue prowess if you want to screw lester at least do it with azel same result but at least lester has pursuit Azel!Lana>Claud!Lana Azel!Lana gives her meh offence instead of bleh offence too and ridicolus sheningans with fala holy blood Edited March 13, 2015 by TTPK_Tal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 270 turns seems far too lax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moishe Oofnik Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 270 turns seems far too lax. that was the score I got from averaging drafts 240-250 Mabye? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Well, I think it'd be better to ask someone like Horace about that. I just know that in one of my recent drafts, I'm at like 170 turns at the beginning of Chapter 9...so it just seems off to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyTheDemonSlayer Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) It depends on how strict we want the efficiency aspect to be. I feel that if we make it too strict then there will be a very clear ranking and not much room for debate, but 270 turns is too open. Maybe 220? Edited March 13, 2015 by MartyTheDemonSlayer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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