Topazd Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372 Didn't necessarily want to get into this, but the link is worth posting whenever 'the rape capital' comes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuvarkz Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) The issue with that is (Both mentioned in the article I linked to): 1) "In 58% of cases, the perpetrator was entirely unknown by the victim. In 29% of cases the perpetrator was an acquaintance, and in 13% of cases the perpetrator was a person close to the victim." This means pretty clearly that the "my husband/fiance/etc raped me multiple times" could not apply for more than 13% of the rape cases of sweden, leaving it on top by a still considerable margin. 2) Before the Swedish government stopped measuring the rapes by ethnic origin, the apparent statistics were: 1960-1970s – 1.2 to 2.6 times as often as Swedes 1980s – 2.1 to 4.7 times as often as Swedes 1990s – 2.1 to 8.1 times as often as Swedes 2000s – 2.1 to 19.5 times as often as Swedes In fact, these same statistics weren't taking into account the fact that second-generation immigrants were considered Swedes for this purpose. Alongside other points-the article leaves it pretty clear-There's an obvious link between the influx of immigrants and the increase in rape cases. Edited January 21, 2016 by tuvarkz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topazd Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) What's to be taken from the article is that the way Sweden lists rapes (and how high Swedes in general see the threshold to report such a crime to be) is different from most countries, not to mention that they go by a somewhat wide definition of rape. I acknowledge that Sweden's history of immigrant integration hasn't always been that great of a success story (Malmö has some notable examples), but 'the rape capital' is a claim to be taken with a grain of salt. Regardless, this is getting off topic. I can't say I'm necessarily a socialist, but I haven't really taken that much of an effort to see what the other Democrat candidates have to offer, so eh. Edited January 21, 2016 by Topazd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Cynthia- Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 how do people feel about gov. o'malley vs clinton? i'm admittedly not too well versed on him, but i feel even he is a stronger candidate than hillary. Definitely fewer skeletons in the closet. People might bring up the Baltimore riots, but overall crime did fall in Maryland during his tenure as mayor+governor. No foreign policy experience either, but voters don't seem to care much about that currently- voters in both parties don't seem to be valuing gubernational experience much despite it probably being closest to what a President does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solkia Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 "friend who want to stay friends never discuss religion or politics" is a phrase that resonates with me greatly so I'm hesitant to talk about politics here. But I'm hoping Bernie wins. He has some dumb shit about him, but whenever a politician talks all I ever interpret it as "bullshit bullshit bullshit I'm going to tell you what you want to hear even though I don't care". I haven't gotten those vibes from him often. Between the GOP and Hillary I'd rather a meteor fell on America. So more or less this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Ostrich Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) I'm willing to get into politics with my friends, but I agree it's wise to stay away from (their) religion. Anyhow Ron Paul is saying a Trump nomination is "realistic". Cue the "It's happening" gif! http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ron-paul-donald-trump-winning-gop-nomination-is-realistic/ Edited January 21, 2016 by Duff Ostrich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryhard Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) I'm not going to lie but as someone from outside the US if Trump is actually elected I will lose my already very low respect for your country and will weep for all the reasonable Americans. As for nominations, he does certainly appeal to a certain type. Hopefully that is as likely as Ron Paul getting elected when he was active. Edited January 21, 2016 by Tryhard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuvarkz Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Trump being the nominated candidate outside of a brokered convention for the Republicans has been a thing for a good while already, though. Regardless of his competence (or lack thereof), it's pretty obvious that he's quite skilled at politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 i don't think it would be correct to categorize trump as a skilled politician when he has had no opportunity to show aptitude at actually making policy. he's more of a skilled demagogue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuvarkz Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Demagogues are political leaders by definition, though (Or generally in most cases they are-outside of religious zealotry, but generally religious zealotry is heavily influenced by politics). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyborgZeta Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I look forward to Trump getting the GOP nomination. He will make general election debates highly entertaining, without a doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solkia Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Quite frankly I don't want Trump to make it very far. His policies are a mess in a country that's already a mess, all the laughs he brings aren't worth another 4 years of nothing changing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMikey Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) i don't think it would be correct to categorize trump as a skilled politician when he has had no opportunity to show aptitude at actually making policy. he's more of a skilled demagogue. I get where you're coming from, but for all intents and purposes politics is "the art of influencing people," and if there's anything Trump has pulled off, it's that. Adding to the larger discussion, I think Trump has a genuine shot against Hillary. Republicans hate her (and those who dislike Trump may still turn out just to vote against her) and many independent voters distrust her, alongside a solid chunk of Democrats/left-leaning people, as seen in this very topic. Plus, Hillary's long, shady record gives Trump a more-or-less perfect opportunity to pivot to his status as an outsider and use Hillary as a symbol of political corruption. Hillary is also just not a very exciting candidate, while part of the reason Trump has gotten this far at all is due to entertainment and shock value. He is, for better or worse, a host in himself. I don't like Hillary, but I am certainly willing to vote for her if it's a vote against Trump. I still hope Bernie gets it, though. Aside from him being my favorite candidate (in spite of reservations), Trump vs. Sanders would make for the most entertaining set of debates in history. Edited January 22, 2016 by TheCosmicDude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solkia Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Trump has a record of crappiness too. Not that the media would ever look for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClevelandSteve Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 If Trump wins the nomination and looks like he has an actual shot at the presidency, I'll seriously look into immigrating to Canada. I know people threaten to move to Canada all the time when their candidate doesn't win, but Trump is probably the single worst serious presidential candidate since George Wallace. He's definitely the most racist since Wallace, I can tell you that much. I'd rather grant George W. Bush immortality and make him President for Eternity than deal with four years of Donald Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyborgZeta Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I always get a chuckle whenever someone threatens to move to Canada if <insert candidate> wins (or loses). You might want to make sure you have a passport ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Cynthia- Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) I get where you're coming from, but for all intents and purposes politics is "the art of influencing people," and if there's anything Trump has pulled off, it's that. Adding to the larger discussion, I think Trump has a genuine shot against Hillary. Republicans hate her (and those who dislike Trump may still turn out just to vote against her) and many independent voters distrust her, alongside a solid chunk of Democrats/left-leaning people, as seen in this very topic. Plus, Hillary's long, shady record gives Trump a more-or-less perfect opportunity to pivot to his status as an outsider and use Hillary as a symbol of political corruption. Hillary is also just not a very exciting candidate, while part of the reason Trump has gotten this far at all is due to entertainment and shock value. He is, for better or worse, a host in himself. I don't like Hillary, but I am certainly willing to vote for her if it's a vote against Trump. I still hope Bernie gets it, though. Aside from him being my favorite candidate (in spite of reservations), Trump vs. Sanders would make for the most entertaining set of debates in history. I think Trump would have a genuine shot against Sanders as well, to be fair. Sanders is far left of most Americans and I think Trump can more easily shift left for the general election while Bernie shifting right is unlikely. I'm iffy about Bernie's popularity with some minority groups as well. It's not as visible currently because Iowa and New Hampshire are very white, but if he struggles in a state like Nevada that would be worrisome. Edited January 22, 2016 by -Cynthia- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crysta Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 i'm pulling for a trump-palin ticket. just imagine the oratory elegance those two would exude. Left isn't "innocent" because Sanders's ideas are disagreeable? Okay... Anyway, this article has a 10/10 title: http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/palin-endorsement-widens-trumps-lead-among-idiots i guess that's as close as i'm gonna get thankfully her people are already in that camp so it won't affect his success much at all lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 The main thing I'm worried about if Sanders was in the general election is right wing propaganda hammering him with Communism fear mongering attacks that are inevitable. Hope his campaign is prepared to take that on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah the Prussian Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I always get a chuckle whenever someone threatens to move to Canada if <insert candidate> wins (or loses). You might want to make sure you have a passport ready. Hah! Already in Prague, bitches! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical CC Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I get where you're coming from, but for all intents and purposes politics is "the art of influencing people," and if there's anything Trump has pulled off, it's that. Trump indeed mastered the art of influencing people but it's only useful when you are running for presidency. Once everything calm down and people want him to actually act, it will be all over the place. Running for presidency is one thing, able to be a good president is another matter. With that said, I still want to see Trump to become the president. We need a new wind of change. Hillary will be just a more extreme Obama while Sander and his foreign policy wont be effective in this era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 With that said, I still want to see Trump to become the president. We need a new wind of change. Hillary will be just a more extreme Obama while Sander and his foreign policy wont be effective in this era. Trump is the type of change I'd rather not have. Right alongside Cruz and Carson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crysta Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I don't think we should vote for change just for the sake of change because this has far-reaching consequences for everyone, not just the U.S. You should want change that's actually productive. And believe it or not, not every 'change' is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical CC Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Trump is the type of change I'd rather not have. Right alongside Cruz and Carson. If he turns out to be a really inert president then it's also fine because a bad president will make us change. We will change and come up with something to fix the problem (hopefully). It's like how vaccine works, by injecting the weakened microbes, we will force our body to develop an immune system so that when we are hit by something serious, our body will know what to do (hopefully). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 That's some real top tier political theory insight right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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