Espinosa Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Well I posted the right stats before the match started, so it was all fair. GG, thanks to Horace and Baldrick both for hosting. The outcome of the battle was more or less a coin flip, yet again. I didn't expect I'd make a comeback after I lost two of my units so easily without doing much to Elieson's team, but I guess Vengeance/Lifetaker stuff matters a lot in the endgame and these turns often turn out decisive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Elie probably Forseti'd you the turn he did because if Tharja really did have 41 speed Aversa would have doubled and likely had killed her. Regardless, I don't think it actually affected the match too much, although it was unfourtunate. The -2 speed was precisely why I submitted Forseti The Def/Res discrepensies also mattered as I tried to play against your Pavise and Vengeance, so numbers were all over the place with the original numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Well, I guess Baldrick's laziness to update the OP with the real stats won me the game then lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) I don't think Elie really had any better options at that point regardless, I wouldn't say it won you the game. He could have Yolo'd with Gangrel or something but that's pretty risky. Edited August 12, 2015 by General Horace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 So did Gangrel have Slow Burn? In place of what I wonder? Also, what hit/avo-affecting stuff did Specific run? Lucky Seven/Hit Rate+20/Any breakers? She was a really accurate General. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Sword/Axe/Tomebreakers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 It was actually just Hex at that point in time. Hector's Axe has 90 hit, +10 from Weapon bonus, +15 from hex. Tharja only has 93 avoid with Yewfelle to Gangrel's 194 hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruadath Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 NO....., Elie how did you lose?!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Ah Hex, I see. Not a bad choice for a Berserker at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) I looked here instead of here and miscalc'd. Still was a very tight match. Any slip up, as you can see, can quickly turn an entire game around. Had I hit with Forseti on the OP's stats, things might've been different as I'd have hit for 23*2 (46) and potentially had a Vengeance boost in there. If Vengeance had activated, it would've dealt well, KO damage. If vengeance didn't activate, then Tharja would've been stuck at 2/80, meaning a next turn Lifetaker would've healed for 40 and given him 42/80 instead of 58/80 HP. If Vengeance did activate, then game would've ended. Aversa!Celica's Gale on the next turn would've had 9+37*2 of damage, or could've gone for another Micaiah's for 17+37 for a more reliable KO, only begging for a single vengeance proc. Brave Axe Gangrel could hit for 24*2 at 74%, which would've of course had to get around Pavise, but had to dodge a smaller proc rate and true hit of whatever 74% is. My chances were still shoddy but it was all I had at the time. It would've hinged on what Espi wanted to take a chance against (probably resulting in him still killing Aversa, but with me having the final *deciding play* instead of him. Edited August 12, 2015 by Elieson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Those General ORKOs were still bollocks man. It's like nobody even needs Chrom anymore! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I guess no one uses forged armorslayers... Though in Espinosa's case, gambling on a Luna Brave Bow was the better move even if he did have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) Forged Armourslayer would've done like 19x2 pre-Luna Edited August 12, 2015 by Elieson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I'd think twice even before having a zerker attacking a lance-wielding general with a hammer tbqh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousSpeed Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Well, I think twice about all my moves. Hammers are still probably the best way to deal with Generals, other than magic. It's like nobody even needs Chrom anymore! I don't use Chrom anymore, after realizing that I don't proc stuff very often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I guess Chrom is harder to double than a General at least? His lower strength makes nailing the likes of Cordelia with skl procs a good deal harder, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousSpeed Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Chrom is harder to double, but any assassin with a positive speed modifier can quad him. Still, bow breaker and aegis make such things less reliable, but if you have a counter-breaker, he can suffer some severe damage he can't counter. And, again, you need to be lucky from Chrom to realize his full potential, and for some people, that just doesn't work. That's why I used Nin's anti-assassin strategy, it was very reliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintessence Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Yeah that's wjat I don't like about Chrom, he's an average unit with a good pack of offensive skills, he'll only kill if you proc some HAX, eitherway he's just meh. It is true that this may apply to many units, but we've seen one shots ultimately without skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 nooooooooooooooo, Elie lost.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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