HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Even makes a passing mention of it in the only lesbian support with Shara. Good job, IS. Some people who wanted to romance her may be creeped out by this and, thus, lose their only same-sex option. not even counting that if they bought nohr, they can't get that same sex girl on girl action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeptuniasBeard Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Are you implying that time travel isn't silly to begin with in a game like Fire Emblem? It was only a matter of time really. I'm more surprised it took them 13 games. Regardless, it IS part of the narrative already. If kids from the future popped up in Sacred Stones inexplicably, then yeah, it'd be pretty dumb it seems too convenient that most all females had children around the same age and they all came back to the past with lucina The children's ages kind of varied, but it's ambiguous as to when exactly they were spit out from the Outrealm gate. Laurent for example beat everyone there by several years. Future Past seems to have let that detail slip Besides, it's only eleven kids, I'm sure you can find twice as many kids around the same age in a single family Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasori Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I have a feeling the kids where added late in development to please the higher ups and they hastily had to give some kind of explanation for why they could fight with their parents. At least I really really hope thats the case since a forced inclusion is better then them having thought of this completely stupid story justification from the get go. At the very least that doesn't make me think they're just that bad at writing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NekoKnight Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 If they wanted to half-ass a reason for children without butchering the story, they could have just said "These are the children (from an alternate reality) you would have had in the future after the war. They saw you struggling and came to your world to help". Pretty much the same as Awakening's time travel but it doesn't have all of the horrible, horrible implications Fate has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gayserbeam Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I have a feeling the kids where added late in development to please the higher ups and they hastily had to give some kind of explanation for why they could fight with their parents. At least I really really hope thats the case since a forced inclusion is better then them having thought of this completely stupid story justification from the get go. At the very least that doesn't make me think they're just that bad at writing. The whole child thing is very subtly implied to be not actually canon, and therefore the children aren't really supposed to exist (or exist yet). Never in the story is a child unit ever mentioned or introduced. It's silly and questionable writing, but they put so little effort into it because it doesn't really need an explanation beyond "this is what his son will look and fight like, you can get him now so your marriage choices can mean something". It's a game mechanic that has been loosely framed with a brief explanation to give some context. It's no more absurd than "Kamui visited himself in another dimension to collect berries", or "Kamui ran into Chrom and helped him fight ninjas so he could get a magic emblem that gave people Lucina's outfit" or "Kamui fed steak to a candlelight until it reached staff rank A" . Children are a feature outside of the "real story" just like DLC and online features. I wish it was better explained, too, but it's so clear they aren't supposed to be there that it doesn't reflect or affect the quality of the story (which wasn't exactly great in the first place) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 FE4 did it better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Book of Ereshkigal Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) FE4 did it better So that's how they explained it... Everyone in Fates played FE4 Edited October 7, 2015 by L95 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neofranky Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 The game just gives the middle finger to this little something called the "gestation period" and children are born right away after two units get married. The kids are thrown into the hyperbolic time dimension of their choice and then you get the paralogue and recruit them at apparent ages anywhere between 13 and 21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoaGalaxy Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Honestly it's all sorts of funny, but I wonder why nobody ever (in story) asked why their children were like, "so old" On a slightly more serious note, well..I'm not sure what to say Realistically speaking, I guess "they just took the "take your time" aspect from other games, and just placed it here, of sorts" And then they ran away with it "Slippery slope" for days It's ironic, since I usually don't tolerate much, if any time shenanigans.......and then this happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrophys Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 The kids are thrown into the hyperbolic time dimension of their choice and then you get the paralogue and recruit them at apparent ages anywhere between 13 and 21. On that note, although obviously exact ages generally aren't stated, what would be people's best guesses on the ages of the various kids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoaGalaxy Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) Personal opinions. For my own, I.....would probably slant towards the higher end of the spectrum, due to.......reasons. Possibly And...personal "preference" you could say Mind you, I haven't fully, like, listen to the stuff they say, the way they say it, and what not...this is just from looks.... Let me grab a list.... Kanna: 14? Shigure: ~16-18 (Jakob's Son): ~16-18 Sophie: ~15-16 Midoriko: ~14-16 Shinonome: 16-18 Kisaragi: 14-16 Gurei: 14-16 Kinu: ~16 Hisame: ~16-18 Mitama: ~15-17 Matoi: ~16-18 (Tsukuyomi's Daughter): ~16-17 Siegbert: 16-18 Foleo: ....Okay I'm honestly not sure what to say for Foleo, I'm too...distracted by the trap Ignis: ~16-18 Velour: 16-18 Lutz: 15-17 Ophelia: 14-16 Soleil: 14-17 Eponine: 14-17 TL;DR 14 ish to maybe 16ish for the younger ones, 16ish to 18ish for the older ones. It's really...silly.......because it's all like a slippery slope Edited October 7, 2015 by CocoaGalaxy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrophys Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I see… I feel like the lower ranges are too low on some of them…. like Ophelia at a lower 14? That seems too low…. Matoi I had envisioned as somewhere between the upper teens (17,18, 19) to the lower 20s (20, 21) But of course, we really don't have enough to go on… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoaGalaxy Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) It's true though. Very true I could "easily" have set everyone at like, I dunno, 16/18 for minimum It's really...not that simple.... (Having bigger pictures might have helped, somewhat...some details are clearer when viewed [Eyes, lul]) ....Reminds me of a quote I heard recently "I could deny it if I liked. I could deny anything if I liked" It's like, it's realllyyyyy such a drag (FE13, from what I'm reading like right now anyway, says that Lissa is 15, Chrom 19, and well uh.............I dunno) Edited October 7, 2015 by CocoaGalaxy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neofranky Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Personal opinions. For my own, I.....would probably slant towards the higher end of the spectrum, due to.......reasons. Possibly And...personal "preference" you could say Mind you, I haven't fully, like, listen to the stuff they say, the way they say it, and what not...this is just from looks.... Let me grab a list.... Kanna: 14? Shigure: ~16-18 (Jakob's Son): ~16-18 Sophie: ~15-16 Midoriko: ~14-16 Shinonome: 16-18 Kisaragi: 14-16 Gurei: 14-16 Kinu: ~16 Hisame: ~16-18 Mitama: ~15-17 Matoi: ~16-18 (Tsukuyomi's Daughter): ~16-17 Siegbert: 16-18 Foleo: ....Okay I'm honestly not sure what to say for Foleo, I'm too...distracted by the trap Ignis: ~16-18 Velour: 16-18 Lutz: 15-17 Ophelia: 14-16 Soleil: 14-17 Eponine: 14-17 TL;DR 14 ish to maybe 16ish for the younger ones, 16ish to 18ish for the older ones. It's really...silly.......because it's all like a slippery slope I'm not sure man, Syalla mentions being probably older than her mother so I'd say she's about 18-20, same with Shinonome. I'd give most around 16, except Midoriko and Lutz. Then again this is ~Anime ages~, for all we know Camilla is 17, Mikoto is 28 and Garon is 40 because muh target audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taka-kun Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I don't really know if I have ever laughed so much from reading the posts here, as everybody takes turns holding the snarky ball. It's like the whole thing is made for a joke. I can imagine some guys in IS went: "You know what would be funny? Having a hyper-dimensional pocket dimension. Screw all the implications". "Yeah yeah, absolutely. Let's go grab lunch already." And the guys in NoA goes: "F*ck, what are we gonna do?" Can't wait to see what they will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iavasechui Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 It's true though. Very true I could "easily" have set everyone at like, I dunno, 16/18 for minimum It's really...not that simple.... (Having bigger pictures might have helped, somewhat...some details are clearer when viewed [Eyes, lul]) ....Reminds me of a quote I heard recently "I could deny it if I liked. I could deny anything if I liked" It's like, it's realllyyyyy such a drag (FE13, from what I'm reading like right now anyway, says that Lissa is 15, Chrom 19, and well uh.............I dunno) Yeah at the start, but right after chrom gets married there is a two year time skip which would make Chrom 21 and Lissa 17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomez_Addams Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 The whole child thing is very subtly implied to be not actually canon, and therefore the children aren't really supposed to exist (or exist yet). Never in the story is a child unit ever mentioned or introduced. It's silly and questionable writing, but they put so little effort into it because it doesn't really need an explanation beyond "this is what his son will look and fight like, you can get him now so your marriage choices can mean something". It's a game mechanic that has been loosely framed with a brief explanation to give some context. It's no more absurd than "Kamui visited himself in another dimension to collect berries", or "Kamui ran into Chrom and helped him fight ninjas so he could get a magic emblem that gave people Lucina's outfit" or "Kamui fed steak to a candlelight until it reached staff rank A" . Children are a feature outside of the "real story" just like DLC and online features. I wish it was better explained, too, but it's so clear they aren't supposed to be there that it doesn't reflect or affect the quality of the story (which wasn't exactly great in the first place) Out of all the posts in this thread, this is the one that I think comes closest to the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeonZ Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Maybe they should just have given them the same origin story as the Bond Units, with the pair's bond breathing life into the land. Although I guess they didn't do that since it allows them to write supports about the units having childhoods, which the Bond Units presumably never had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 The game just gives the middle finger to this little something called the "gestation period" and children are born right away after two units get married. The kids are thrown into the hyperbolic time dimension of their choice and then you get the paralogue and recruit them at apparent ages anywhere between 13 and 21. Do you remember that time Camilla's stomach grew due to the baby? Oh right it didn't, because waifus don't get pregnant normally. They grow babies. With sparkles and rainbows and panties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gayserbeam Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Do you remember that time Camilla's stomach grew due to the baby? Oh right it didn't, because waifus don't get pregnant normally. They grow babies. With sparkles and rainbows and panties. Kamui just bicycles back and forth until the man outside the My Room gives him an egg with the kid in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iavasechui Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Kamui just bicycles back and forth until the man outside the My Room gives him an egg with the kid in it Ok this is my headcanon now XD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frelia Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) Kamui just bicycles back and forth until the man outside the My Room gives him an egg with the kid in it Along with that the royal siblings who have divine weapons have to get their egg from their them and walk/ride around with the egg until their child hatches. Edited October 8, 2015 by Frelia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 This sounds hilariously bad. IS was that desperate to retain Awakening's eugenics, how-it-fits-the-plot be damned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryo Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I think it would actually be less awkward if the children were simply created by magic or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyPearl Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) not even counting that if they bought nohr, they can't get that same sex girl on girl action. Exactly , they should have put one bisexual female in Nohr & one bisexual male in Hoshido. Edited October 9, 2015 by Krul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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