What are you favorite support conversations? [Possible Spoilers]

[Thane]

I agree that Hinoka/Saizou is bad, though I kinda see what they're going for so I can't hate it that much--at least they tried at politics? They didn't succeed at all, but I'll take a youtried.jpg over sexual harassment supports.

Is that really a fair comparison though? It feels like comparing getting stabbed to a papercut; neither is particularly pleasant, but the other is horrible and would get you fired from any respectable job.

Still, I'm sorry, but I don't see the politics at all. For all we know the guy who was against Saizou was just a douchy troll who happened to be a politician; it's so poorly explained that it's ridiculous.

I'm slightly busy at the moment, so I'll just have to ask what happens in Azama and Kagerou's support.

[Sieghart]

Well true if i remember all the males have a touma ending(except the male childrens) if they married female corrin, meanwhile the wife of male corrin have a normal ending with him.

Edited February 15, 2016 by Sieghart

[Thor Odinson]

Is that really a fair comparison though? It feels like comparing getting stabbed to a papercut; neither is particularly pleasant, but the other is horrible and would get you fired from any respectable job.

Still, I'm sorry, but I don't see the politics at all. For all we know the guy who was against Saizou was just a douchy troll who happened to be a politician; it's so poorly explained that it's ridiculous.

I'm slightly busy at the moment, so I'll just have to ask what happens in Azama and Kagerou's support.

Azama basically just bothers Kagerou about what she's wearing and why she shows a lot of boob and is she trying to distract dudes. It's small wonder Kagerou didn't actually stab him---only threatened to.

And that's why I said "youtried.jpg" because obviously I think they did a shitty job at it, but I can see them trying their hands at establishing something outside what most support convos do, it's just, it flopped really fucking hard. I just can't hate it too much when I can sorta tell halfway what they're trying to blindly claw at when I'm here dealing with Azama/Kagerou and Jakob/Rinka.

[wvype]

I'm slightly busy at the moment, so I'll just have to ask what happens in Azama and Kagerou's support.

In a word: boobs. He does nothing except make fun of her for her cleavage.

I am severely disappointed by it because Kagerou is my favorite female character, I so badly wanted to like Asama after reading his Elfie support, and their Mitama would be amazing, but this is what we ended up with.

[Thane]

Azama basically just bothers Kagerou about what she's wearing and why she shows a lot of boob and is she trying to distract dudes. It's small wonder Kagerou didn't actually stab him---only threatened to.

And that's why I said "youtried.jpg" because obviously I think they did a shitty job at it, but I can see them trying their hands at establishing something outside what most support convos do, it's just, it flopped really fucking hard. I just can't hate it too much when I can sorta tell halfway what they're trying to blindly claw at when I'm here dealing with Azama/Kagerou and Jakob/Rinka.

In a word: boobs. He does nothing except make fun of her for her cleavage.

Well, how can't you fall in love with someone who bothers you about the way you dress? On a more serious note though, I really should've guessed, and now I sort of want to see why Kagerou doesn't stab that smug bastard. I never liked Azama, and as much as I dislike the kids and consider them a pure non-canon game mechanic, I hated how he didn't seem to care that Mitama was in danger and that it was Saizou who rushed to her aid.

Saizou's surprisingly awesome outside of that particular support.

[BrightBow]

That JokerxRinka support would actually be kinda hilarious. But it's just too disturbing to think that real human beings in the real world thought this up, wrote it down and approved of it being inserted into a piece of media that isn't meant to be an utterly bleak comedy or a crappy porn.

I mean, I am used to stuff like people not taking female rapists seriously. Unfortunate as it may be, it's to be expected. But this one is unbelievably blatant in how fucked up it is. Obviously one can forget about the support being romantic in any way, or even featuring any sort of romantic attraction. But I also find it hard to imagine that it is supposed to be funny, given that having characters cross any lines of basic decency to such a degree is completely pointless if no one plays the role of a straight man in the whole affair and characters merely act like it's nothing out of the ordinary. So how come this is meant to be read as anything other then: "This character is Valter-level of fucked up and not deserving of any kind of sympathy from the audience."?

[Thor Odinson]

I have a feeling that the several teams of writing had very little communications between them, and even within the support team there's consistency issues sometimes it's hard to tell what the intention for a character is. I'm inclined to err on the lenient side of things--and I sincerely hope that Joker isn't meant to be the way he is in Joker/Rinka S if he's supposed to be presented to be attractive given his position around Kamui to the player. That's some kind of next level of fucked up if devs thinks girls actually like that.

There's a lot of inconsistencies between character and a lot of missed opportunities everywhere, though. I don't even know anymore.

[Tsuky]

I have a feeling that the several teams of writing had very little communications between them, and even within the support team there's consistency issues sometimes it's hard to tell what the intention for a character is. I'm inclined to err on the lenient side of things--and I sincerely hope that Joker isn't meant to be the way he is in Joker/Rinka S if he's supposed to be presented to be attractive given his position around Kamui to the player. That's some kind of next level of fucked up if devs thinks girls actually like that.

There's a lot of inconsistencies between character and a lot of missed opportunities everywhere, though. I don't even know anymore.

I dunno, maybe they thought the whole "I hate everyone else but I love you" thing was appealing to female players... It really isn't.

Now I'm curious about how the work was divided up among the support writers. Does each person get a few characters or a set of combinations to write about? Some characters have consistently good supports and others don't even have a consistent characterization.

[Thane]

Japanese entertainment media has never been known for its accurate - or healthy - portrayal of sexuality. I'm not saying that this is an excuse by any means, but I genuinely wonder just how often some of the writers or animators actually communicate with the other sex.

One of the reasons why I tend to dislike anime is not only because of the fan service which is understandable to some degree since sex sells, but because of how they portray love and relationships in general.

Edited February 15, 2016 by Thane

[Reachfan2]

So I've been looking all over for parent/children supports. Not the parents (mostly fathers) whose children are based off them, but the parents (mostly mothers) who change the color of their child's hair. For example I could only find Ignis's support with his father (and Belka, for some reason) but I can't find any other supports with his mother (excluding Belka). Does anyone know where to find translated versions of the supports I'm looking for?

[Reachfan2]

Japanese entertainment media has never been known for its accurate - or healthy - portrayal of sexuality. I'm not saying that this is an excuse by any means, but I genuinely wonder just how often some of the writers or animators actually communicate with the other sex.

One of the reasons why I tend to dislike anime is not only because of the fan service which is understandable to some degree since sex sells, but because of how they portray love and relationships in general.

I agree with you and the best examples of this "sex sells" business with actual anime/manga are harems. Not hentai, because who reads and watches hentai for the actual plot, and not nudity, sex, and "plot." I am, however, a sucker for romance manga, and sometimes anime, but only because I find them adorable, and not for sex reasons. So I'm actually not surprised Nintendo would do the whole semi-incest thing with Kamui/Corrin's siblings who aren't related by blood, but Kamui/Corrin still considers them as their siblings in their supports.

[Thor Odinson]

So I've been looking all over for parent/children supports. Not the parents (mostly fathers) whose children are based off them, but the parents (mostly mothers) who change the color of their child's hair. For example I could only find Ignis's support with his father (and Belka, for some reason) but I can't find any other supports with his mother (excluding Belka). Does anyone know where to find translated versions of the supports I'm looking for?

Variable parent x Child are generic, so if you found Belka you've basically found them all--there's only small variation.

Unless the small variation is what you're looking for, for comparisons, in which case I don't think most of those are translated. I've seen Kanna Kinu's once, but I don't have the link on me.

[Reachfan2]

Variable parent x Child are generic, so if you found Belka you've basically found them all--there's only small variation.

Unless the small variation is what you're looking for, for comparisons, in which case I don't think most of those are translated. I've seen Kanna Kinu's once, but I don't have the link on me.

Oh, I didn't know that it was that small of a difference. Thanks for the heads up!

[saisymbolic]

Eh. I tend not to watch romance anime as it all follows a similar plot in my opinion. I much prefer shounen. Even some shounen if they introduce the love interest--all of the girl love interests tend to fall into a similar category and, as soon as they open their mouth, I find myself jumping off before I get too irritated. Actually, I've only ever watched and read JoJo's Bizarre Adventures faithfully. I mean, who doesn't like extra beefy anime guys doing somewhat suggestive poses with pseudo Personas?

Anyways, back on topic/sort of not on topic, I really kind of disliked Asama/Harold for some reason. The C-rank made me squint as it made Harold seem very inconsiderate and rude. Like, I couldn't imagine him referring to any woman as a "broad" as he did--especially not a royal, Hoshidan or Nohrian. Does he do that in any other support? Or does Asama just bring out the worst in characters? I guess "broad" isn't that bad but, still, I just find it a somewhat rude term. It might be a good support but the first rank kind of threw me off of it.

Harold/Felicia was very good, in my opinion. It was so adorable. What I liked about this support was that, while it mentioned and played with Harold's supernatural bad luck, it also showed another aspect of his character: his unyielding perseverance. Felicia, of course, was a terrible maid, as it is a part of her gimmick in contrast to her sister, but it wasn't as blatant. It sort of reminds me of Frederick/Sumia her best hubby imo, in which one character supports the other and the other is able to find a healthy source of inspiration and admiration. If I were to look at it as a purely romantic support, I could see the chemistry between Felicia and Harold enough to where the S-rank didn't make me cringe in discomfort as several other S-ranks does that to me. I like this couple very much as it forms a healthy--I cannot stress that enough--relationship.

EDIT: Also it makes the headcanon to where Lutz gets his supernatural luck from.

Edited February 15, 2016 by SaiSymbolic

[Thor Odinson]

Anyways, back on topic/sort of not on topic, I really kind of disliked Asama/Harold for some reason. The C-rank made me squint as it made Harold seem very inconsiderate and rude. Like, I couldn't imagine him referring to any woman as a "broad" as he did--especially not a royal, Hoshidan or Nohrian. Does he do that in any other support? Or does Asama just bring out the worst in characters? I guess "broad" isn't that bad but, still, I just find it a somewhat rude term. It might be a good support but the first rank kind of threw me off of it.

I think in this case it's a translator's liberty. It's trying to convey a very casual way of mentioning Hinoka, but as far as I can tell there's no outright insulting terms in the actual Japanese. Hinoka's mentioned by title, but not with an honorific--so I assume that's what's going for here.

It's like NoA's choice of making Sully swear a lot to convey her very rough-for-a-woman-in-japan speech patterns. Some of the nuances (I can't claim to be an expert, but I know a little I guess?) easily conveyed in the original may take quite a bit of converting to do in English.

[saisymbolic]

I think in this case it's a translator's liberty. It's trying to convey a very casual way of mentioning Hinoka, but as far as I can tell there's no outright insulting terms in the actual Japanese. Hinoka's mentioned by title, but not with an honorific--so I assume that's what's going for here.

It's like NoA's choice of making Sully swear a lot to convey her very rough-for-a-woman-in-japan speech patterns. Some of the nuances (I can't claim to be an expert, but I know a little I guess?) easily conveyed in the original may take quite a bit of converting to do in English.

Okay, thanks for that explanation. Now I feel like I overreacted. LOL.

Another super chin-centric romantic support I enjoyed was Setsuna/Harold. I actually didn't know much about Setsuna, other than I really liked her hair color and portrait, but I quite liked her with Harold. Still focused on character gimmicks but it was done in a way that I did not mind very much. I chuckled here and there and felt the fluffiness when appropriate.

[Avalanche]

Question for those who may know; if Kaze and Keaton had to choose between Rinkah and Beruka, which combination would have the best Supports? I'm almost done with my planned Revelation pairings and this is the only decision I have left.

[Abvora]

Question for those who may know; if Kaze and Keaton had to choose between Rinkah and Beruka, which combination would have the best Supports? I'm almost done with my planned Revelation pairings and this is the only decision I have left.

Keaton-Beruka and Kaze-Rinkah. Keaton-Rinkah isn't that good a support, she just spends it belittling him. His support with Beruka has him trying to be her friend and get her to smile, in his own way. It's cute, if a little rushed, and it's got some good development/depth moments for them both. Kaze-Rinkah is also cute, but not particularly substantial.

[Reachfan2]

The hardest pairing I currently have is Zero/Elise. Having Zero compliment a minor's body is reaaally something I hope the NA version tones down, or even changes the compliment entirely. Who would you pick as Zero's wife?

[Shadowess]

Personally I like Camilla/Niles bc it's hilarious and sheds a bit of light on Camilla's background

and there's an actual line in their S support with Camilla going "Zero, I heard you stopped stealing, was that a lie? 'Cause you stole my heart" or something like that

[Avalanche]

I'm partial to Niles and Beruka, mostly due to some backstory you get on the two near the end.

[Katryn]

I'm likely going to have Niles marry F!Corrin when I get to Conquest--unless I either (a) end up liking Jakob enough that I can't stand not marrying him, or (b) decide to marry Xander, Leo or Keaton instead. As for Elise, I'm not sure who I want to pair her with yet. I don't have the same qualms I notice a lot of people having. She's like Sansa Stark from Game of Thrones--it's only a matter of time before she's gonna sleep with somebody. If it's really offensive, I'm sure NoA will remove the S options. If not, I'm just gonna roll with the idea that she's fair game. Sorry, Elise. You're a product of your time.

[ChaosTheory]

Odin x Kagero, Odin x Orochi, and Laslow x Camilla are the best imo.

[saisymbolic]

The problem with Elise--one I don't particularly have, really--is that she is hard to pair up because all her choices are grown men. Like, in Awakening, there was Lissa and Nowi (technically Nah as well) that looked and acted underage (Nowi more so than Lissa) but they had Ricken, Donnel or Henry to pair with that, at the very least, looked around their age.

Elise only really has Hayato that looks her age. Can she even marry him? I don't really know. If the choice was there, I'd honestly pair Elise with Hinata as he comes across as oblivious to romantic implications and kind of immature in some of his thinking. I'm referring to his support with Kazahana. Is the choice there? I have to check.

Things like that don't particularly bother me in media. I became desensitized to things like that after Dynasty Warriors, where there's a very childlike character married to a grown, cultured man. Hell, I was desensitized to things like that even before then. I'm with Kathryn, Elise is fair game as far as I'm concerned--they put her in the game, they made her marriage fodder and, by the gods, she will be used as such. If that makes me a bad person, so be it.

Edited February 16, 2016 by SaiSymbolic

[Tsuky]

The problem with Elise--one I don't particularly have, really--is that she is hard to pair up because all her choices are grown men. Like, in Awakening, there was Lissa and Nowi (technically Nah as well) that looked and acted underage (Nowi more so than Lissa) but they had Ricken, Donnel or Henry to pair with that, at the very least, looked around their age.

Elise only really has Hayato that looks her age. Can she even marry him? I don't really know. If the choice was there, I'd honestly pair Elise with Hinata as he comes across as oblivious to romantic implications and kind of immature in some of his thinking. I'm referring to his support with Kazahana. Is the choice there? I have to check.

Things like that don't particularly bother me in media. I became desensitized to things like that after Dynasty Warriors, where there's a very childlike character married to a grown, cultured man. Hell, I was desensitized to things like that even before then. I'm with Kathryn, Elise is fair game as far as I'm concerned--they put her in the game, they made her marriage fodder and, by the gods, she will be used as such. If that makes me a bad person, so be it.

Sadly, neither of those options is available. The only Hoshidans Elise can marry are Suzukaze, Ryouma, and Takumi.

Elise is a hard case. I currently plan on her marrying Silas, but this pairing is not good gameplay wise, and their support was kinda... odd. But she looks weird with a majority of the cast, and I've already found pairings I like for everyone else. Any suggestions for good Elise support?

Edited February 16, 2016 by Tsuky