What do you think of the story in the Tellius games?

[Dinar87]

I see it more as Zelgius being the professional soldier while BK is more the straight up warrior. One of them is his true self and the other a disguise.

Considering every Zelgius choses his BK personality every time he has to make a choice between the two I'd say its a safe bet that's his true personality. Zelgius may just be a front to help Sephiran with his schemes and his popularity in Begnion.

It would've been nice if in the game Zelgius admits to the apostle that his unwavering loyalty was all lies and that his true master was Sephiran...or does he actually do that? They'd also have to remove the scenes where Zelgius is concerned that the senators are taking over control of Begnion as it shouldn't affect Sephiran's planes in the slightest...unless it was all an act. Still something like, maybe when his friend leaves the conversation and he's alone, Zelgius laughs to himself. Some form of foreshadowing that shows he truly doesn't give a damn about anything to do with the Apostle. He shouldn't be concerned for Sephiran's safety either since he's extremely powerful...far more than common soldiers and a few senators.

Edited July 9, 2016 by Dinar87

[MisterIceTeaPeach]

Speaking about villains: Jarod is one of my absolute favourite FE villains.

He's badass and loyal towards the senators till the bitter end.

Despite he was betrayed by Lekain he fights bravely for his last honour.

And I find some of his quotes in early game somewhat amusing (at least in my language).

[Dinar87]

Speaking about villains: Jarod is one of my absolute favourite FE villains.

He's badass and loyal towards the senators till the bitter end.

Despite he was betrayed by Lekain he fights bravely for his last honour.

And I find some of his quotes in early game somewhat amusing (at least in my language).

I also like how they make you hate Jarod as he happily goes along with the senators' decision to treat the Daein people like sub humans...or worse. So when you finally kill that infamous puppy kicker it feels amazing. Remember that scene where they kill an innocent child? THAT wouldn't happen in modern FE!

Edited July 9, 2016 by Dinar87

[MisterIceTeaPeach]

Of course Jarod was a marionette but unlike the senators Jarod is honest enough to stand for his actions.

Even Micaiah says it in her bossuqote with Numida: General Jarod was a scoundral and a fiend, but at least he had a soldier's honestly in his villainy.

Honestly I feel a bit sorry for him whenever I kill him.

[Dinar87]

Of course Jarod was a marionette but unlike the senators Jarod is honest enough to stand for his actions.

Even Micaiah says it in her bossuqote with Numida: General Jarod was a scoundral and a fiend, but at least he had a soldier's honestly in his villainy.

Honestly I feel a bit sorry for him whenever I kill him.

So even though he's scum at least he was honest about it? I thought he and the senators tried to hide the fact that they were abusing the Daeins?

[MisterIceTeaPeach]

Jarod tried till Daein's resistance rised in form of DB's victories.

[Dinar87]

Jarod tried till Daein's resistance rised in form of DB's victories.

Tbh they easily could've added more chapters for the DB where you liberate more areas...could've allowed for more development of the main characters as well. DB needed more chapters honestly.

[SSbardock84]

Best Fire Emblem storylines by far imo. Especially Radiant Dawn.

[MisterIceTeaPeach]

I don't really think the DB members need more chapters for character development.
if ever, then Micaiah who pretty much trusts Pelleas blindly and doesn't question his intentions.

I only think the skip from part 1 to 3-6 is rushed.

What happened to Izuka?

Why this sudden behavior change of Pelleas?

[Dinar87]

Best Fire Emblem storylines by far imo. Especially Radiant Dawn.

I agree! It's a shame not many people have played the Tellius series.

[Dinar87]

I don't really think the DB members need more chapters for character development.

if ever, then Micaiah who pretty much trusts Pelleas blindly and doesn't question his intentions.

I only think the skip from part 1 to 3-6 is rushed.

What happened to Izuka?

Why this sudden behavior change of Pelleas?

Sorry but I'm not sure that I understand what you mean?

[MisterIceTeaPeach]

I was talking that I find that the DB has enough chapters storywise and gameplaywise.

Ino no one really needs more character development except maybe Micaiah who acts naive in 3-6.

However I miss a few information in part 3.

What exactly happened to Izuka after part 1? He reappears in 4-5 literally from the nowhere.

Why this sudden change of Pelleas' behavior?

[Dinar87]

I was talking that I find that the DB has enough chapters storywise and gameplaywise.

Ino no one really needs more character development except maybe Micaiah who acts naive in 3-6.

However I miss a few information in part 3.

In other words...there's a chunk of the story missing where Izuka leaves. Also, more explaination should've been given as to why Micaiah trusts Pelleas so much?

[blah the Prussian]

Well, the good:

-As others have said, the worldbuilding. The second best of any FE game, and this world is the most interesting.

-Begnion is my favorite FE country, for several reasons. Firstly, it has a lot of nuance. Its never "The people of Begnion hate the Senate" or "The people of Begnion are racist", its always "Some people in Begnion think one thing, others think something else". Also, it has Sanaki, IMO the best FE character ever.

-Ashnard is an awesome antagonist. He's badass, he's pure evil, but at the same time he's an ideologue; you know exactly what he wants; to establish a Social Darwinistic world order. POR's conflict is, for the most part, entirely human, with believable characters doing things for believable reasons, and Ashnard takes the cake. I've often called him FE's Hitler, and he is by far the best written antagonist in FE history.

The bad:

-Unfortunately, you don't get to see a lot of him. That's because a certain Darth Vader ripoff is stealing his spotlight. The Black Knight is the worst thing about Path of Radiance. He doesn't know what he wants to be; sometimes he's sympathetic, like with his branded sob story, sometimes he's pure evil, like when he implies he'll rape Mist (IIRC at least; its been a long time). He takes away attention from Ashnard and he quite simply isn't as good. He isn't as scary, he isn't as interesting, and, regardless of what the story would have you believe, he isn't as much of a threat. This would all be fixed by having Ashnard kill Greil instead of the Black Knight. Then, Ike has a clear, personal reason to fight the main villain.

-Ike in RD. Micaiah, Elincia, and Sanaki should have been the main characters. Ike has no real character development in RD, and all three other characters arcs suffer as a result, Micaiah's especially. If you make Ike a supporting character you fix a lot of the issues I have with the story. Oh yeah, and don't bring back the BK. Then again, I wish the BK didn't exist to begin with.

[Dinar87]

Well, the good:

-As others have said, the worldbuilding. The second best of any FE game, and this world is the most interesting.

-Begnion is my favorite FE country, for several reasons. Firstly, it has a lot of nuance. Its never "The people of Begnion hate the Senate" or "The people of Begnion are racist", its always "Some people in Begnion think one thing, others think something else". Also, it has Sanaki, IMO the best FE character ever.

-Ashnard is an awesome antagonist. He's badass, he's pure evil, but at the same time he's an ideologue; you know exactly what he wants; to establish a Social Darwinistic world order. POR's conflict is, for the most part, entirely human, with believable characters doing things for believable reasons, and Ashnard takes the cake. I've often called him FE's Hitler, and he is by far the best written antagonist in FE history.

The bad:

-Unfortunately, you don't get to see a lot of him. That's because a certain Darth Vader ripoff is stealing his spotlight. The Black Knight is the worst thing about Path of Radiance. He doesn't know what he wants to be; sometimes he's sympathetic, like with his branded sob story, sometimes he's pure evil, like when he implies he'll rape Mist (IIRC at least; its been a long time). He takes away attention from Ashnard and he quite simply isn't as good. He isn't as scary, he isn't as interesting, and, regardless of what the story would have you believe, he isn't as much of a threat. This would all be fixed by having Ashnard kill Greil instead of the Black Knight. Then, Ike has a clear, personal reason to fight the main villain.

-Ike in RD. Micaiah, Elincia, and Sanaki should have been the main characters. Ike has no real character development in RD, and all three other characters arcs suffer as a result, Micaiah's especially. If you make Ike a supporting character you fix a lot of the issues I have with the story. Oh yeah, and don't bring back the BK. Then again, I wish the BK didn't exist to begin with.

The Black Knight should've just been pure evil and cunning...not sympathetic in any way. Zelgius should've revealed something like he hates everyone and that's why he followed Sephiran's orders to end all life (an emo's revenge). Maybe a tragic back story could explain his hatred for humanity. Not for the purpose of sympathising with him but to explain his actions throughout the games.. And is Greil teaching Zelgius ever addressed again?

Tbh, have you got any advice on writing a good story like PoR? I need all the help I can get if I want to make a spiritual successor to these games...because God knows that Nintendo's never gonna do it.

Edited July 9, 2016 by Dinar87

[blah the Prussian]

OH god no, do t make the Black Knight an edgelord. Having Ashnard kill Greil does everything the Black Knight did, but better. There is no point to him as a character when Ashnard exists.

I also consider myself to be decent at setting up scenarios, so okay, pm me with questions if you want.

[Dinar87]

OH god no, do t make the Black Knight an edgelord. Having Ashnard kill Greil does everything the Black Knight did, but better. There is no point to him as a character when Ashnard exists.

I also consider myself to be decent at setting up scenarios, so okay, pm me with questions if you want.

But yeah, stuff like that is why I'm going to be leaving the story to professional writers instead of inexperienced people like myself. I couldn't make a good story if I tried so I'm going to leave it to someone else. They MUST play Fire Emblem 4, 5, 9 and 10 so they'd understand perfectly these two things...

​1. What those games succeeded at doing from a storytelling perspective.

2. How the games could improve from a storytelling perspective.

In short, I want to make a FE game where players could proudly say things like "both the story and gameplay are fantastic" rather than with fates where it's more of a "gameplay's awesome but the story is meh". Of course, developing such a game will take an extremely long time and I don't even know if I'll ever do it. But, if I do it, I'll make sure to do it right. I'll take my time and use Kickstarter to hire only the best specialists for the job. People like Senri Kita might join if I'd somehow be able to pay her and contact her so there's that. Don't expect anything amazing anytime soon but, with more practice making sprites, I could eventually contribute something useful to society.

Anyways, thank you for letting me pm you about stuff!

Edited July 9, 2016 by Dinar87