MeynethWilder Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Been having tons of fun with the game, except when trying to gain stats with Setsuna, wtf, honestly. But there are like... a lot of units that seem archetypical, like Orochi-Illyana, Silas-Franz, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 you should probably elaborate so this makes a little more sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) No. Unlike Illyana, Orochi is an interesting character who isn't defined by a single gimmick Edited April 22, 2016 by Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 No, unlike Illyana Orochi is an interesting character who isn't defined by a single gimmick this. Ilyana is arguably one of FEs shittiest one-note characters. Orochi and Ilyana also dont have anything in common regarding stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maninbluejumpsuit Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Well... both of their speed growths kinda suck. That's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Alear Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Orochi and Ilyana are almost nothing alike. Ilyana is rather placid, and frequently very hungry, and rather nice. Orochi is flirtatious, a bit silly sometimes, and occasionally messes with people a bit (not as much as Azama). I'm really not sure they have anything in common besides gender and class. Ilyana isn't that fast, but Orochi is slower, and has huge magical growth. Statwise, Orochi is probably more like Micaiah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant Dragon Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) Statwise, I can definitely see the comparison between the two, although Orochi has more magic than Ilyana in exchange for slightly less bulk (Owain reminds me a lot of RD!Ilyana, now that I think about it). Fates is actually surprisingly good about straying away from archtypical characters for the most part, though. Edited April 22, 2016 by Radiant Dragon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maninbluejumpsuit Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Statwise, I can definitely see the comparison between the two, although Orochi has more magic than Ilyana in exchange for slightly less bulk (Owain reminds me a lot of RD!Ilyana, now that I think about it). Fates is actually surprisingly good about straying away from archtypical characters for the most part, though. We got the panther and the bull again though :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosGallade Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Statwise, I can definitely see the comparison between the two, although Orochi has more magic than Ilyana in exchange for slightly less bulk (Owain reminds me a lot of RD!Ilyana, now that I think about it). Fates is actually surprisingly good about straying away from archtypical characters for the most part, though. Fates also has a Jagen in Gunter, as well as the bandit bros. in Lloyd and Llewelyn. Azura is the Jeorge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant Dragon Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Azura is the Jeorge. You mean Jeorge the Sniper? What archtype does Azura share with him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saisymbolic Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Why everybody ragging on my girl Ilyana? She and Zihark were my OTP. Eh. As for the comparison, they are not that similar in terms of growth. When I played, Ilyana tended to be really slow with middling magic, relatively high strength for a mage but high skill giving her critical hits more often than not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosGallade Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 You mean Jeorge the Sniper? What archtype does Azura share with him? Jeorge is a character from the first Fire Emblem game who joins early, but is revealed to be part of royalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Maybe its just me but I find Azura to be a Nyna archetype more or less imo. Otherwise, Takumi to me is a Jeorge for obvious reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosGallade Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Maybe its just me but I find Azura to be a Nyna archetype more or less imo. Otherwise, Takumi to me is a Jeorge for obvious reasons. Azura is a Jeorge because we don't know she's part of royalty until a decent portion of the story, in a similar manner to Jeorge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrhesia Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Azura is a Jeorge because we don't know she's part of royalty until a decent portion of the story, in a similar manner to Jeorge. So any two characters who share any one trait or circumstance suddenly makes for an archetype now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Jeorge is a character from the first Fire Emblem game who joins early, but is revealed to be part of royalty. Hoo boy. . . Jeorge is from a noble family, IIRC, but that's about it. FE12 supports should have more details. Azura's some weird mix of Ninian and Caeda. She's a blue-haired dancer chick that's fast, frail, wields a lance, and is a princess of a country no one cares about . . .and she's also pushed as the main lord's love interest. The only thing Orochi and Ilyana have in common is that both of them wield magic. Kinda think that Hayato's closer, but it's still a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosGallade Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Hoo boy. . . Jeorge is from a noble family, IIRC, but that's about it. FE12 supports should have more details. Azura's some weird mix of Ninian and Caeda. She's a blue-haired dancer chick that's fast, frail, wields a lance, and is a princess of a country no one cares about . . .and she's also pushed as the main lord's love interest. The only thing Orochi and Ilyana have in common is that both of them wield magic. Kinda think that Hayato's closer, but it's still a stretch. From the Fire Emblem wikia: "A member of the Jeorge archetype is a character posing as a simple traveler who joins early or mid-game, and is later revealed to be royalty, nobility, or otherwise of plot-critical heritage. They are commonly, but not necessarily, bards." Azura is part of this according to what I saw. If anyone has objections to this, feel free to say so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Geek Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 From the Fire Emblem wikia: "A member of the Jeorge archetype is a character posing as a simple traveler who joins early or mid-game, and is later revealed to be royalty, nobility, or otherwise of plot-critical heritage. They are commonly, but not necessarily, bards." Azura is part of this according to what I saw. If anyone has objections to this, feel free to say so. > Wikia Because wikis are always accurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosGallade Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) > Wikia Because wikis are always accurate Take it as you will, in that case. Edit: to add, this forum has a wiki of its own. Edited April 22, 2016 by ChaosGallade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 From the Fire Emblem wikia: "A member of the Jeorge archetype is a character posing as a simple traveler who joins early or mid-game, and is later revealed to be royalty, nobility, or otherwise of plot-critical heritage. They are commonly, but not necessarily, bards." Azura is part of this according to what I saw. If anyone has objections to this, feel free to say so. 1. There's a really big difference between royalty and nobility. 2. Azura's introduced as a princess of Hoshido shortly after you meet her IIRC. 3. Also, IIRC, Jeorge's heritage isn't really revealed unless you poke around for it. Otherwise, he has his intro lines, and his death lines in Shadow Dragon. He gets more elaboration in the sequel. . .which Azura definitely does not. Also, this archetype is trying way too hard IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyFireMage Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Ilyana's portrait doesn't weird me out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenomata Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Admittably, I haven't played either of the Radiant games, so I know virtually nothing about this Illyana character. I can say, however, that Fates does still follow the trend of archtypes used. Hayato follows the Merric line (it doesn't list him, but come on he is from the Wind Tribe), Kaze and Saizo the Cain and Able line, Scarlet might be a Minerva, Lloyd and Llewlyn the gay bandit twins, etc etc. So does Orochi follow this Illyana character? I dunno, she might. Others say no, but what do I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Book Bro Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 The way I see it Fates does archetypes very differently than other games where it makes it harder to say if its even following archetypes. For example, Gunter is the Jagen but in 2/3 paths he leaves after the prologue, and instead your early prepromote is a healer. The Cain and Abel are now ninjas. We don't get the clumsy/dumb fighter or the serene Pegasus Knight. I'm sure there's other examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) "We don't get the clumsy/dumb fighter" We totally did. The unlucky Fighter right there? "the serene Pegasus Knight." Granted yeah we didn't get this one, although i don't even know what exactly is a serene pegasus knight. Edited April 22, 2016 by JSND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avalanche Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Illyana was a slower, slightly bulkier Mage in comparison to the more glassy Soren in the Tellius games. She and Orochi do have being slow in common, but her (relative bulk) is actually similar to Hayato. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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