Fire Emblem Heroes General Discussion and Links

[Rezzy]

3 minutes ago, DefaultBeep said:

While I am happy that he's not an armored mage, since I don't care that much about using armors, it would've been nice for variety indeed.

Armors (or rather Generals) can use bows in at least FE4, FE5, FE11, and FE12. None of the Generals are really known for their bows, but someone like Lorenz being a bow user could still add variety while remaining accurate to his source game. Alternatively, they could make the ballista units into armored mages, although I think that pool is even smaller, with just Jake and Beck from FE1/FE11.

 

2 minutes ago, Vaximillian said:

There were generic bow armours in Jugdral, and generals were able to use bows in Jugdral and the Archanean remakes, but no playable (or named at all) knight was specialised on bows.

I think armors not using bow is a bit true to history, since archers tended to be more lightly armored as opposed to the knights who typically wielded melee weapons.

[Xenomata]

15 minutes ago, Rezzy said:

 

I think they missed their prime opportunity to add a Mage Armor with Arvis.  Instead, he's just another Red Mage, granted a F2P Red Mage, which is good, since they were lacking, but Lyon or Nergal could have done that, whereas Arvis could have been something unique.

And yes I know he wasn't armored until Gen 2 to people who say that, but it didn't stop them from making Hector armored or Eliwood mounted.

In fairness to Hector and Eliwood, they are a General and Paladin, respectively, in Binding Blade, and they do become an "armor" and "mounted" when promoted.

But about Arvis... well I may be biased because I've been using Arvis a lot more than any other Red I own, but he would probably be terrible at his "debuff everyone" job if he were an Armor (and pseudo healer now that I think about it...), and he technically isn't that central an antagonist in Gen 2 (Julius and Ishtar apparently filling the role) when his biggest moment was being Iron Chef Jugdral in gen 1.

I think armors not using bow is a bit true to history, since archers tended to be more lightly armored as opposed to the knights who typically wielded melee weapons.

I don't think Armor Bow would even work that well in practice. The armor would weigh the archer down so much that drawing the bowstring would be as much a chore as just trying to keep aim would. I'm not an expert, but that might be why "archers" are always lightly dressed, to draw the bow fast and then be able to maintain accuracy.

Edited November 27, 2017 by Xenomata

[Ice Dragon]

22 minutes ago, DefaultBeep said:

I'm honestly surprised we have so many red armors, considering how many games don't even let them use swords.

On the other hand, I'm surprised we have so few in the summoning pool. Three of the four red armors in the game are free units, meaning they simply can't be used at the top of the Arena.

 

17 minutes ago, Rezzy said:

And yes I know he wasn't armored until Gen 2 to people who say that, but it didn't stop them from making Hector armored or Eliwood mounted.

Twenty years' difference is pretty major compared to a simple promotion, since Hector's Great Lord class is armored, and Eliwood's Knight Lord class is mounted.

The only unit that is armored that isn't in their original game is Zephiel.

 

13 minutes ago, Vaximillian said:

There were generic bow armours in Jugdral, and generals were able to use bows in Jugdral and the Archanean remakes, but no playable (or named at all) knight was specialised on bows.

Xavier in FE5 comes with equal weapon ranks in axes and bows and starts with a Master Axe and Killer Bow in his inventory, but that's the closest we'll get.

Edited November 27, 2017 by Ice Dragon

[Rezzy]

7 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said:

The only unit that is armored that isn't in their original game is Zephiel.

Was Zephiel armored in FE6?  I don't think I ever tried to use an Armorslayer on him, so I'm not sure.

[Interdimensional Observer]

31 minutes ago, Vaximillian said:

This is fair, and we have quite a few candidates too. Roger, Dolph and Macellan, Horace, Lorenz, Valbar, Desaix, Hardin and Lang, Hannibal, Bors and Barthe, Oswin and Wallace, Gilliam, Gatrie, Kellam and Kjelle, Benny and Ignatius… The series doesn’t lack lance knights.

You forgot this:

The Steadfast Rider of impeccable Resolve does not like being ignored.

25 minutes ago, DefaultBeep said:

I'm honestly surprised we have so many red armors, considering how many games don't even let them use swords. I'm still hopeful that we'll get someone like Lorenz, Hannibal, or Xavier with bows as well, just to get an actual bow armor unit that isn't seasonal.

Well new character additions is a careful balance of several factors: color/weapon, unit type, sex, game of origin, popularity. And FEH doesn't exactly balance all these factors as well as they should. Needing more Lance Armors despite having a boundless pool of them is a case of this. Due probably to character archetypes and appearances, we don't have many popular armor knights.

And note that all female armors but Nutmeg and Kjelle have been added. That bodes ill for future additions. 

57 minutes ago, Rezzy said:

I want Valbar!  We could have used more Armor units, and he was even on the cover for Gaiden.

I don't get why Valbar is on it. Shouldn't Mycen be there instead? Also, if the guy in the back is supposed to be Rudolf, he looks intimidating. 

By the way, Alm's iron sausage > Valbar's.

1 minute ago, Rezzy said:

Was Zephiel armored in FE6?  I don't think I ever tried to use an Armorslayer on him, so I'm not sure.

Nope, he took a page from Dark Emperor Hardin's book and got armored looking without armored status. Something the BK wishes he had in RD.

[DefaultBeep]

8 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said:

On the other hand, I'm surprised we have so few in the summoning pool. Three of the four red armors in the game are free units, meaning they simply can't be used at the top of the Arena.

Yeah, that's the other weird thing about our current armor selection. Depending entirely on when and how much a person has been playing Heroes, they could either have more red armors than any other color, or just a single option for reds. And of course the limited merging potential hurts them quite a bit, at least for now.

[Ice Dragon]

3 minutes ago, Rezzy said:

Was Zephiel armored in FE6?  I don't think I ever tried to use an Armorslayer on him, so I'm not sure.

Neither Serenes Forest nor Pegasusknight list the Armorslayer as effective against the King class.

I don't want to check because that requires me finding my old GBA ROMs on my external hard drives, and my computer refuses to recognize any USB device (doesn't even make a sound when one is plugged in) that wasn't connected to it when it was turned on (including if you unplug it and plug it back in).

[Vaximillian]

2 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

The Steadfast Rider of impeccable Resolve does not like being ignored.

Also, if the guy in the back is supposed to be Rudolf, he looks intimidating. 

Yeah, thanks for reminding me how lame he is.

That is supposed to be Duma.

[Rezzy]

1 minute ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

You forgot this:

The Steadfast Rider of impeccable Resolve does not like being ignored.

Well new character additions is a careful balance of several factors: color/weapon, unit type, sex, game of origin, popularity. And FEH doesn't exactly balance all these factors as well as they should. Needing more Lance Armors despite having a boundless pool of them is a case of this. Due probably to character archetypes and appearances, we don't have many popular armor knights.

And note that all female armors but Nutmeg and Kjelle have been added. That bodes ill for future additions. 

I don't get why Valbar is on it. Shouldn't Mycen be there instead? Also, if the guy in the back is supposed to be Rudolf, he looks intimidating. 

By the way, Alm's iron sausage > Valbar's.

Nope, he took a page from Dark Emperor Hardin's book and got armored looking without armored status. Something the BK wishes he had in RD.

Why have just one sausage when you can have two?

Valbar is too awesome to be left off the cover.

They're really overpacing themselves on adding the females to the game.  Echoes, I think just has Silque and Tatiana not added yet, but tons of guys who still need in.  This game isn't supposed to be Scarlet Blade.

[Interdimensional Observer]

2 minutes ago, Vaximillian said:

Yeah, thanks for reminding me how lame he is.

That is supposed to be Duma.

One, do not insult the big T-roneo. It's not his fault he gets so little attention in PoR, and that his stats are less than ideal in both games. But I find him a good character for what he gets to work with, and Resolve is very nice. If he gets in eventually, I'm expecting Resolve to make him premiere skill fodder, assuming the skill is good.

Second, thanks SoV for making me associate Duma first and foremost with a sad incontinent degenerate. Him in a humanoid armored warrior form is so much better!

 

8 minutes ago, Rezzy said:

They're really overpacing themselves on adding the females to the game.  Echoes, I think just has Silque and Tatiana not added yet, but tons of guys who still need in.  This game isn't supposed to be Scarlet Blade.

You're unfortunately right actually on Echoes. But I guess they could squeeze out two more with Nuibaba and Rinea.

The rest of the series has more girls, but even more guys and the overall trend isn't good. And I'm not expecting them to hold back any time in the future. Mareeta I'd expect has a high probability of being one of the early FE5 characters added.

[Ice Dragon]

3 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

If he gets in eventually, I'm expecting Resolve to make him premiere skill fodder, assuming the skill is good.

Resolve is literally just an in-combat version of Defiant Atk/Spd, though, which basically makes it a Life and Death that trades the Def and Res reduction for an HP threshold, which seems a bit underwhelming.

[Rezzy]

5 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

One, do not insult the big T-roneo. It's not his fault he gets so little attention in PoR, and that his stats are less than ideal in both games. But I find him a good character for what he gets to work with, and Resolve is very nice. If he gets in eventually, I'm expecting Resolve to make him premiere skill fodder, assuming the skill is good.

Second, thanks SoV for making me associate Duma first and foremost with a sad incontinent degenerate. Him in a humanoid armored warrior form is so much better!

 

You're unfortunately right actually on Echoes. But I guess they could squeeze out two more with Nuibaba and Rinea.

The rest of the series has more girls, but even more guys and the overall trend isn't good. And I'm not expecting them to hold back any time in the future. Mareeta I'd expect has a high probability of being one of the early FE5 characters added.

I like using T-bone in RD, because he's a prepromote, which lets him fill a roster spot on the Dawn Brigade chapters, since I have to be very choosy on who gets XP there, which is usually Micaiah, Nolan, and Jill.

 

What kind of unit would Rinea even be, a Red Mage?

Edited November 27, 2017 by Rezzy

[Poimagic]

To think, the legendary banner starts tomorrow. Man, how I have waited for this.

[Rezzy]

Just now, Poimagic said:

To think, the legendary banner starts tomorrow. Man, how I have waited for this.

Is it tomorrow or Tuesday?

[Ice Dragon]

2 minutes ago, Rezzy said:

Is it tomorrow or Tuesday?

Tomorrow night for the States.

[DefaultBeep]

Just now, Rezzy said:

Is it tomorrow or Tuesday?

Tuesday, at least in the US. About 29 more hours, I believe.

[Interdimensional Observer]

1 minute ago, Ice Dragon said:

Resolve is literally just an in-combat version of Defiant Atk/Spd, though, which basically makes it a Life and Death that trades the Def and Res reduction for an HP threshold, which seems a bit underwhelming.

True enough, what is great in one game doesn't necessarily transfer well to another. Particularly one where dodging doesn't exist.

Well one could hope that they'd make it better somehow. Do they invent useless skills by this point?

[Ice Dragon]

6 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

Do they invent useless skills by this point?

Perhaps not "useless", but certainly "too situational".

Rally [anything that isn't Atk/Spd or Def/Res]. [Anything that isn't Atk/Spd or Def/Res] Bond. All of the two-stat Blow skills that aren't Swift Sparrow. Really, any of the two-stat anythings that aren't Atk/Spd or Def/Res.

Res Ploy.

Edited November 27, 2017 by Ice Dragon

[Ice Dragon]

Galeforce.

Edited November 27, 2017 by Ice Dragon

[Poimagic]

The notification for the legendary banner for me says on the 27, which is Tomorrow for me. And all events have happened when the are supposed to for me.

Edited November 27, 2017 by Poimagic

[property of nuvelle]

11 minutes ago, Poimagic said:

The notification for the legendary banner for me says on the 27, which is Tomorrow for me. And all events have happened when the are supposed to for me.

I kept thinking it would be this monday too... But calendar says 11/28 and the fact that Halloween banner ends about 30 hours from now basically says it's coming on tuesday.

[DefaultBeep]

16 minutes ago, Poimagic said:

The notification for the legendary banner for me says on the 27, which is Tomorrow for me. And all events have happened when the are supposed to for me.

Depending on your time zone, it could be very late tomorrow instead of the 28th. The daily reset happens right at midnight in my time zone, so the banner starts precisely on Tuesday for me.

[Icelerate]

47 minutes ago, Vaximillian said:

Yeah, thanks for reminding me how lame he is.

That is supposed to be Duma.

But he's a really good character. Shameless advertising but couldn't help it. 

[property of nuvelle]

Oh yeah, it'd actually be the 27th when the banner comes out for me. My daily reset is at 11 PM.

[Sunwoo]

The time zone change is really confusing me on when things start or not, lol. It was more convenient when the game refreshed at exactly midnight instead of 11 PM.

Edited November 27, 2017 by Sunwoo