Serenes Forest's Teehee Thread

[Armagon]

33 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

You did put every Blade artist under a microscope, right?

Ngl i am a little paranoid that something would be dug up as far as i know though, Xenoblade 2's guest artists are clean.

I feel like i would've known if one of these artists had......stuff.

25 minutes ago, Shrimperor said:

they didn't go and hurt anybody did they?

Yeah it's disgusting and stuff, but as long as they stick to drawings i don't really care.

As far as the "it's just a drawing" argument is concerned, my stance is that age as a number does not actually matter. It's always more about what they look like rather than what age they actually are. I don't really care if someone draws porn of an "underage" character as long as said character isn't actually meant to be a child (and i mean actually looking like a child, not someone who's just small. Short people exist).

This line of thinking is the reason why a lot of people have problems with the "1000 year old loli" trope.

Which, on that note, still makes me wonder what the fuck happened at IntSys when they allowed you to marry and have children with certain child units in Fates. Actually the worst part about Fates, what were they thinking?

 

[null]

Easy answer. They weren't.

[Codename Shrimp]

4 minutes ago, Armagon said:

As far as the "it's just a drawing" argument is concerned, my stance is that age as a number does not actually matter. It's always more about what they look like rather than what age they actually are. I don't really care if someone draws porn of an "underage" character as long as said character isn't actually meant to be a child (and i mean actually looking like a child, not someone who's just small. Short people exist).

This line of thinking is the reason why a lot of people have problems with the "1000 year old loli" trope.

Far more important for me is how they act.

Ya know, if i will ever finish awakening one day it will be because i want to know wether the anger sorrounding nowi is justified or overblown lol

 

4 minutes ago, Armagon said:

Which, on that note, still makes me wonder what the fuck happened at IntSys when they allowed you to marry and have children with certain child units in Fates. Actually the worst part about Fates, what were they thinking?

Eugenics, probably....

Also i am not the only who can'T self insert into avatars, right?

Edited December 2, 2020 by Shrimperor

[Armagon]

20 minutes ago, Shrimperor said:

Ya know, if i will ever finish awakening one day it will be because i want to know wether the anger sorrounding nowi is justified or overblown lol

Definitely overblown imo.

I mean, her design could be improved but she's good as a character.

20 minutes ago, Shrimperor said:

Also i am not the only who can'T self insert into avatars, right?

Nah, I don't self insert either. The most I do is just name my avatars "Armagon" unless I can't because the letter limit is too short.

Although in Xenoblade X and Astral Chain, my avatars there do resemble me but I do that because I can and not because I'm inserting myself. You get what I mean?

[Codename Shrimp]

3 minutes ago, Armagon said:

Nah, I don't self insert either. The most I do is just name my avatars "Armagon" unless I can't because the letter limit is too short.

Although in Xenoblade X and Astral Chain, my avatars there do resemble me but I do that because I can and not because I'm inserting myself. You get what I mean?

Yah i get it.

4 minutes ago, Armagon said:

Definitely overblown imo.

The feeling i get as well, as the community loves to hate such characters.

But eh, i never got far into awakening, so i can't say my piece of mind on it truely, but going by how i know the community.. xD

[Interdimensional Observer]

36 minutes ago, Shrimperor said:

Also i am not the only who can'T self insert into avatars, right?

You never ever feel a little like you're the character? You can say that you don't, you can disconnect what you'd do as a real person and what your avatar would do in the context of this game, but can you deny not once subconsciously establishing some kind of connection that you're too prideful to admit?

Because, I don't treat an avatar as myself, but I'd be arrogant to say that playing as a certain set of pixels all the time doesn't attach me to it in a "foolish" way that must be acknowledged. 

[Codename Shrimp]

2 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

You never ever feel a little like you're the character? You can say that you don't, you can disconnect what you'd do as a real person and what your avatar would do in the context of this game, but can you deny not once subconsciously establishing some kind of connection that you're too prideful to admit?

Not really. Well, maybe the choices sometimes (and in case of FE they are pretty rare), but even that is not avatar exclusive, and i always try to think what the character would do in such situations.

Even incase of silent MCs (like Byleth, as an example) i try to build a character around their actions and how other characters interact with them, if you catch my drift.

I can connect more with MCs with full characters than avatars.

[Codename Shrimp]

Community: Leo op

Me:

 

Leo has to be one of the most overrated units i ever saw. 4 Conquest runs, and i was never able to get that guy online.

Even Elise is easier to make combat ready then he is.

[Armagon]

15 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

You never ever feel a little like you're the character? You can say that you don't, you can disconnect what you'd do as a real person and what your avatar would do in the context of this game, but can you deny not once subconsciously establishing some kind of connection that you're too prideful to admit?

Well......I will admit that I do feel some attachment to my avatars. You can see this in Xenoblade X for example, where for most characters, I just kept their default look as Fashion Gear but for my avatar, I did look for the cool-looking gear to equip in the fashion slots. Cause I wanted to look cool.

Like you, I don't treat them as me but they are there to represent me in a way, you know? That is what an avatar is supposed to be after all.

Only time I can say i used an avatar to actually self insert was in Pokemon but that's because it's Pokemon.

But I only really apply this to silent protags. Avatars that have defined personalities, I can put my name on them but I can't really do anything else about it. 

11 minutes ago, Shrimperor said:

I can connect more with MCs with full characters than avatars

Pretty sure everyone shares this opinion haha.

Edited December 2, 2020 by Armagon

[Lightcosmo]

Bad luck with Leo, then. First time I played, he was my best right next to Lucina. She was probably better though. I'd have to check as I still have my original files and such.

[Benice]

You know, with all the people talking about how bad FE6 is, that reminds me that I'm still confused about why people hate Henning so much. Like, he's bad, but he never gave me much of an issue-I think that Leygance is FAR worse. Then again, that could be because I don't use Rutger.

[Interdimensional Observer]

38 minutes ago, Shrimperor said:

Leo has to be one of the most overrated units i ever saw. 4 Conquest runs, and i was never able to get that guy online.

For me, he's better than trying to Odin or Nyx off the ground. Fix his Spd and he works. Looking at the evidence, he was absolutely pulling his own weight on my CQ run from a few years ago, Dark Falcon and its Spd +2 = 6 Spd over Dark Knight practically instantly. Leo don't need bulk, he's a mage. And, if anyone seriously says "X is OP" then I'd ignore the casual praise as unserious, but not wrong! either.

 

33 minutes ago, Armagon said:

Only time I can say i used an avatar to actually self insert was in Pokemon but that's because it's Pokemon.

Although we me, I wanna say there are moments when it goes slightly, stupidly, deeper. To pick Dragon Quest V, I queue up some optional chit-chat wherein the hero's little daughter asks to hold his hand. It's so sweet. Let me get make this clear, I think I would make a terrible parent, I don't want kids. And yet, the way I received the words of innocence, did I in that moment accept myself as the virtual child's father? Or to take a moment from the opposite end of the emotive spectrum from Dragon Quest, a bunny girl offers to put her breasts against my face, I feel revulsed. Revulsed, because I'm acting as if she was real?

 

...Now I'm thinking of that one History Channel (burn it to the ground now, the channel does not deserve that name any longer!) documentary I saw which mentioned idolatry. What would the "idol worship" as described in the Bible feel like to a true devotee? That was the question, and one seemingly fair scholar brought up Santa Claus. Before the ongoing plague, people would take their kids to shopping malls and have them tell "Santa" what they want for Christmas. We know mall Santas are fake and that Santa himself is a fiction, and yet we do that anyhow and we don't say good riddance to the dressing up as Santa tradition. The "documentary" asked, is that idolatry? We know better, but we offer some form of reverence to a fiction. 

My takeaway, do I treat a video game as a ritual, and within the confines of that ritual, I accept things I know to be false outside of the ritual? That I am not a sea green-haired, orange-skinned girl in a machine body on a fake planet, siding with fictions people doing things that don't truly exist. And yet, I enjoy it, I feel the taste of victory with every battle and the sting of every defeat, I awe at natural beauty that is artifice, I smile at the personalities of nonpersons, I still to this day quiver at the ambient silence of a certain scene which does not affect me in any real way. 

And, if a video game is a ritual, wherein I already partake of so much lie in the name of "immersion", what's the problem like I've slid into a character? -Not saying I will feel that way, but I'm not sure if its so strange or weebish for it to happen.

Edited December 2, 2020 by Interdimensional Observer

[Codename Shrimp]

7 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

Dark Falcon and its Spd +2 = 6 Spd over Dark Knight practically instantly

now that i can see working, hmm

But at the same time other mages would be even faster with Dark Falcon

 

[Interdimensional Observer]

Just now, Shrimperor said:

now that i can see working, hmm

But at the same time other mages would be even faster with Dark Falcon

 

I won't deny that, anyone can take Dark Falcon. After all, one of Nyx's problems is that her good Spd growth is hampered by a base that can't double much if anything at all. 

This is admittedly a "turn the janitor into a Wyvern Lord in 3H" type solution, Dark Falcon is great, this doesn't say so much about Leo, other than his bases are usable when he joins. But... I don't feel like seriously debating, this is all the argument that I'll toss up. A cookie-cutter approach that makes Leo work is better than not having one at all.😅

[Codename Shrimp]

3 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

A cookie-cutter approach that makes Leo work is better than not having one at all.😅

True haha xD

Maybe if i ever decide to do a conquest run again i shall give Leo all SPD boosts and those Dragon thingies you get from route bonus haha

[Eltosian Kadath]

43 minutes ago, Shrimperor said:

 

Leo has to be one of the most overrated units i ever saw. 4 Conquest runs, and i was never able to get that guy online.

Even Elise is easier to make combat ready then he is.

Yeah, I've never had him be a good unit in my Conquest runs either, usually the worst of the units that I bother using. Although its been a while since I used him, since I started banning the prepromoted royals from runs...

[Codename Shrimp]

I think i am ready for Iago now...

But maybe i should do it tomorrow hmmmmmmmmm

9 minutes ago, Eltosian Kadath said:

Although its been a while since I used him, since I started banning the prepromoted royals from runs...

tries to imagine Conquest Lunatic without Camilla

Oh my god.

I can see Hard being done (after all i lost Camilla pretty early in my hard no reset run back then), but Lunatic...

Oh boy

that must've been some challenge

You do still use them in their join chapters though, right?

[Eltosian Kadath]

Just now, Shrimperor said:

tries to imagine Conquest Lunatic without Camilla

Oh my god.

I can see Hard being done (after all i lost Camilla pretty early in my hard no reset run back then), but Lunatic...

Technically I let Camilla help on her join chapter (as chapter 10 is too carefully balanced to change anything about it), but it has mostly been Lunatic (other than the draft run, speaking of which I really should finish that one at some point...). You might have noticed the lack of Camilla being mentioned on the quotes/excerpts from my old Lunatic playthrough, when I quote it to give detailed tactical advise, as that is the run where I started using that rule fairly regularly.

[Codename Shrimp]

Hmmm

I wonder if i should get Velouria to replace Leo before the Iago chapter

hmmmmmmmm

a Camilla!Velouria sounds good, and more tankiness could help alot in Hans' room (even if i entrap him before i enter, that room is hella dangerous). Although some of the units there do have beast killer...

Well, they would kill Leo as well, and Velouria should give quite a bit of Def as a pair up hmmm

Edited December 3, 2020 by Shrimperor

[Sooks]

Leo is consistently (for the two play throughs I’ve done) one of my best units.

He’s also in the group of Fates characters I like that I can count on my finger...

[Dayni]

3 hours ago, Interdimensional Observer said:

You never ever feel a little like you're the character? You can say that you don't, you can disconnect what you'd do as a real person and what your avatar would do in the context of this game, but can you deny not once subconsciously establishing some kind of connection that you're too prideful to admit?

Because, I don't treat an avatar as myself, but I'd be arrogant to say that playing as a certain set of pixels all the time doesn't attach me to it in a "foolish" way that must be acknowledged. 

This shit right here is probably why Byleth of all things causes me less hives than they should.

There's also the sense that a defined Byleth who actually has a character could work, but oh well.

2 hours ago, Benice said:

You know, with all the people talking about how bad FE6 is, that reminds me that I'm still confused about why people hate Henning so much. Like, he's bad, but he never gave me much of an issue-I think that Leygance is FAR worse. Then again, that could be because I don't use Rutger.

Wait how does that make sense?

Henning seems like the one that's easier for Rutger, relatively.

[null]

Rutger would have an easier time with Henning, considering the lack of WT disadvantage.

He's really the only one who can somewhat reliably hit him, and even that's not foolproof.

[Benice]

3 minutes ago, Dayni said:

Wait how does that make sense?

Henning seems like the one that's easier for Rutger, relatively.

Well, Leygance can be Armorslayered, and the Armorslayer is hecking broken.

1 minute ago, twilitfalchion said:

He's really the only one who can somewhat reliably hit him, and even that's not foolproof.

Lugh and Lilina both hit him just fine, and making Henning switch to his Hand Axe makes Rutger or Deke a lot more reliable. Heck, even Ogier could theoretically work.

[Codename Shrimp]

Wow

[Benice]

1 minute ago, Shrimperor said:

Wow

Wait, promoting doesn't reset level in Fates?