Codename Shrimp Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) anyway, forget my rants https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere Found an appropriate term for our FE plot ruining Dragons 😄 Edited October 3, 2023 by Shrimpy -Limited Edition- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interdimensional Observer Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Just now, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said: anyway, forget my rants Not a problem. Behold Parodius and forget everything else.😛  2 minutes ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere Founds an appropriate term for our FE plot ruining Dragons 😄 Fleas? Are you sure they aren't bedbugs, because I've heard they've landed in Paris over the past few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename Shrimp Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said: Parodius lol 2 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said: Fleas? Are you sure they aren't bedbugs, because I've heard they've landed in Paris over the past few days. Tomatoe tomato 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Armagon said: Latin America moment. XD 22 minutes ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere Found an appropriate term for our FE plot ruining Dragons 😄 I do wonder. Just how often does it actually happen? Even the Fire Dragon of Blazing Blade is something we're always warned Nergal may do and we spend like half the game trying to stop. We simply fail. So it's not really out of nowhere. Edited October 3, 2023 by Acacia Sgt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Okay, time to start another route... Must say, wasn't expecting this format. Choices only done during the first days then the route is a straight read to the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armagon Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 28 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said: Just how often does it actually happen? Shadow Dragon: played straight Gaiden: played straight Mystery: "it turns out Hardin was actually possessed" FE4: lmao FE5: played straight FE6: played straight. If anything it's a bit of a reversal as the dragon is the pawn of the main villain. FE7: see above FE8: depends on the route FE9: played straight FE10: uhhhhh FE13: honestly in a similar vein to FE10 FE14: LMAO FE16: played straight FE17: played straight Heroes: what the actual fuck is going on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Armagon said: Shadow Dragon: played straight Gaiden: played straight Mystery: "it turns out Hardin was actually possessed" FE4: lmao FE5: played straight FE6: played straight. If anything it's a bit of a reversal as the dragon is the pawn of the main villain. FE7: see above FE8: depends on the route FE9: played straight FE10: uhhhhh FE13: honestly in a similar vein to FE10 FE14: LMAO FE16: played straight FE17: played straight Heroes: what the actual fuck is going on Ah, no, that's not what the trope means. The trope is about there being little to no foreshadowing or context. In most FE games, we do have it. We know about Medeus since Day 1. There's no surprise boss after him. So the first game doesn't fulfill the trope criteria. If anything, Medeus fulfills this trope instead: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OrcusOnHisThrone And so on. Edited October 3, 2023 by Acacia Sgt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armagon Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said: Ah, no, that's not what the trope means. The trope is about there being little to no foreshadowing or context. In most FE games, we do have it. We know about Medeus since Day 1. There's no surprise boss after him. So the first game doesn't fulfill the trope criteria. And so on. Ah. In that case: FE1: yeah played straight. FE2: Also. I mean, Jedah's even fought in the final map too. FE3: Is it stated that Gharnef is kidnapping maidens to resurrect Medeus? Like, you know they're going missing but don't know why. I think for a good chunk of the story it's assumed Hardin just went off the deep end. FE4: It's literally the plan/ FE5: played straight FE6: reversed FE7: Same as above FE8: again kinda depends FE9: played straight FE10: Ehhh i don't remember Ashera awakening being an explicit goal of the villains in this game. Ashnard sure but Begnion? FE13: played straight FE14: "DLC" FE16: Actually depends on the route, like literally nothing about Verdant Wind suggested Nemesis would come back FE17: played straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Acacia Sgt Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Armagon said: Ah. In that case: FE1: yeah played straight. FE2: Also. I mean, Jedah's even fought in the final map too. FE3: Is it stated that Gharnef is kidnapping maidens to resurrect Medeus? Like, you know they're going missing but don't know why. I think for a good chunk of the story it's assumed Hardin just went off the deep end. FE4: It's literally the plan/ FE5: played straight FE6: reversed FE7: Same as above FE8: again kinda depends FE9: played straight FE10: Ehhh i don't remember Ashera awakening being an explicit goal of the villains in this game. Ashnard sure but Begnion? FE13: played straight FE14: "DLC" FE16: Actually depends on the route, like literally nothing about Verdant Wind suggested Nemesis would come back FE17: played straight. Subverted, not played straight. So Shadow Dragon subverts it, etc. In Chapter 14 of Mystery, Gotoh explains that Gharnef is planning something, and in Chapter 19 Boah outright says it's to resurrect Medeus. So subverted too. The game is more of a case of us being fed breadcrumbs and slowly unraveling the... well, Mystery. Through Part 3 we are still told how the war could trigger the awakening of Ashera and passing judgement, so we definitely know long ahead of time. So subverted too. Actually, I think it's easier to count who actually plays it straight. Nemesis definitely plays it straight, and... uh... hmm... Maybe Rhea going berserk in Silver Snow could also count, since that too has no warning whatsoever. In Verdant Wind she doesn't go mad, and in Crimson Flower we do see what made her mad. That... could actually be all of them... maybe... Edited October 3, 2023 by Acacia Sgt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armagon Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said: Subverted, not played straight. So Shadow Dragon subverts it, etc. In Chapter 14 of Mystery, Gotoh explains that Gharnef is planning something, and in Chapter 19 Boah outright says it's to resurrect Medeus. So subverted too. Through Part 3 we are still told how the war could trigger the awakening of Ashera, so we definitely know long ahead of time. So subverted too. Actually, I think it's easier to count who actually plays it straight. Nemesis definitely plays it straight, and... uh... hmm... Maybe Rhea going berserk in Silver Snow could also count, since that too has no warning whatsoever. In Verdant Wind she doesn't go mad, and in Crimson Flower we do see what made her mad. That... could actually be all of them... maybe... I meant "played straight" as in we get foreshadowing as to who the villain was, not the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Just now, Armagon said: I meant "played straight" as in we get foreshadowing as to who the villain was, not the other way around. Ah, thought you were still talking from the trope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rubenio Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 11 hours ago, Interdimensional Observer said: Let me guess- you bashed some rando's skull against his favorite frying pan. Regrettably, frying pans are not weapons in this game. The cook tries to sumo the shit out of you instead, like all the other fat guys in the game. That's another thing I love about this game - I don't think there are any clones in the entire campaign, every foe is unique and fits the setting of each stage. And yet at the same time, enemies retain enough key similarities in body build and/or attire that you can instantly tell what kind of enemy you're facing at a glance. Immense variety without undermining gameplay. Brilliant visual design.  ...That aside, on the topic of the cook, this is arena mode and has no lore so whatever, but the cook had me thinking about something in the main game. I discussed it with a pal on Discord back when I first played the game, but let me bring it up here. You see, in Sifu's regular ending, you kill all the targets and achieve your revenge. It can be reasonably inferred that you also kill everyone else you come across. You become a bloodthirsty monster in your hunt for vengeance. Sick shit. But then there's the good ending, where you learn the value of mercy and spare the targets, ending the cycle of vengeance and yada yada. But what about the legions of people that you plow through on your way to the targets? The first two stages are a drug den and a nightclub of dubious legality, so they can't exactly go to the police and risk their illicit activities being revealed. But the third stage is a museum, the fourth is the tower of the city's wealthiest, most influential corporation and the fifth is a traditional healing centre. Even if the targets are inspired by the spirit of wude and don't sic the cops on John/Jenny Sifu's ass... What about the sanctuary's cook, masseurs and yoga instructor that you beat up? The entire security details of the museum and the tower? You'd think at least some of them're bound to be peeved enough by the skull fracture to press charged. So there's two options: either you kill everyone but the target, which kind of undermines the concept of the good ending, or you don't kill anyone (which would also require never using knives in gameplay - their takedown animations are very lethal-looking), at which point the only logical conclusion is that, the day after Sifu's events, John/Jenny Sifu is clapped in irons and thrown in prison for 20 years under fifty different assault and battery charges. I know the answer is "videogame, nobody cares" but I dunno, sometimes it's fun to think about these scenarios. Sifu takes places in real China. I can reasonably believe the police doesn't make an appearance ingame, Sifu takes place over a period of roughly 12 hours (you can tell by a handy clock on the stage select screen) and the first two stages' worth of people wouldn't call the cops, but what about the future? Clearly Sifu 2 needs to be an Ace Attorney game. 11 hours ago, Armagon said: Being a stone's throw away from Africa would do that. You guys actually get higher temperatures on average than we do overhere lol. At least in the places that aren't Andalucia. 9 hours ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said: -snip- forget it Observer's quick response allows me to see what you were talking about, but well, I can understand not having the energy to discuss it again. We all know where we stand on that topic. 8 hours ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said: anyway, forget my rants https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere Found an appropriate term for our FE plot ruining Dragons 😄 What about the garbage bagmen? 7 hours ago, Armagon said: FE6: played straight. If anything it's a bit of a reversal as the dragon is the pawn of the main villain. I mean... It can't be played straight if it's a reversal lol. It's easy to overlook because FE6 otherwise has such a nothing plot, but FE6 is very much a twist on the trope. The mastermind is the human king and the big bad dragon is the tragic figure. Well, technically the game spends a single chapter pretending the mastermind's Jahn, but Zephiel was the one who awoke Idunn fully intending to use her to destroy mankind and establish a world of dragons. Jahn basically just helped a bit behind the scenes, kinda? Besides, it's Jahn. Nobody cares about Jahn. The only thing he has is a banger of a boss theme he doesn't deserve. 7 hours ago, Armagon said: Heroes: what the actual fuck is going on Gacha powercreep. 7 hours ago, Armagon said: Why is IDEA in caps? Is it like, an acronym? "Intensely Deviating from Excellence and Astuteness"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightcosmo Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Saint Rubenio said: Besides, it's Jahn. Nobody cares about Jahn. The only thing he has is a banger of a boss theme he doesn't deserve. Poor Jahn, doesn't deserve the disrespect! XD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rubenio Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 20 minutes ago, Lightcosmo said: Poor Jahn, doesn't deserve the disrespect! XD Not to worry, it won't upset him. You need a personality to become upset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armagon Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Saint Rubenio said: You guys actually get higher temperatures on average than we do overhere lol Live New Englander reaction....is what I would say but then I looked at this. So not only is Spain the size of Nevada, it actually just is Nevada, just without the Vegas. Is this map even accurate cause I feel like something's off. At any rate, "higher on average" really depends on where in the US you are looking at. 2 hours ago, Saint Rubenio said: Why is IDEA in caps? Is it like, an acronym? "Intensely Deviating from Excellence and Astuteness"? Idk they're being stupid. Edited October 3, 2023 by Armagon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rubenio Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Armagon said: At any rate, "higher on average" really depends on where in the US you are looking at. Ah, I made the same mistake haha. 2 minutes ago, Armagon said: Idk they're being stupid. They're IDEAing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) Oh, eShop prices dropped. By roughly 200 MXN. Seems to be a permanent thing. Hmm, seems they finally adjusted to the fact we're at 1:17 to the USD, not 1:20 anymore. Edited October 3, 2023 by Acacia Sgt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interdimensional Observer Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 ...Boktai 2 won't save, and the sensor patch is only half-working.😑 I TRY to play a game, and not just think about doing so, and this is what happens. I don't feel like trying to fix this right now. ...Maybe Kirby instead then.  5 hours ago, Saint Rubenio said: That's another thing I love about this game - I don't think there are any clones in the entire campaign, every foe is unique and fits the setting of each stage. And yet at the same time, enemies retain enough key similarities in body build and/or attire that you can instantly tell what kind of enemy you're facing at a glance. Immense variety without undermining gameplay. Brilliant visual design. Nice. Reminds of what I've heard of that famed Terracotta Army, each soldier appears to modern scholars to have modeled after a different real individual.  2 hours ago, Armagon said: Idk they're being stupid. Given what you've said before, it smells like white saviourism. Blind, naïve, and condescending. Although it also reminds me of how Europeans in the 1800s thought that nooooooooo native inhabitants in Jerusalem never ever bothered over the centuries to name the streets/neighborhoods/sections of the city. And so Europeans came up with the modern four-quarters naming of the Old City, which the locals still don't care for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightBow Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 15 hours ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said: anyway, forget my rants https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere Found an appropriate term for our FE plot ruining Dragons 😄 If there is any villain that plays this trope straight it's Lehran. Although even he is likely not much of a surprise after Zelgius' memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rubenio Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Interdimensional Observer said: Nice. Reminds of what I've heard of that famed Terracotta Army, each soldier appears to modern scholars to have modeled after a different real individual. That's not a bad analogy. Different people, yet recognizable as a group. Though the difference between Sifu enemies tends to be more dramatic. Check this out. Two different enemies from different stages, both the same enemy type. The difference is stark, and there are also males in this class, the only gender-locked classes are juggernauts who are always male, and flashkicks who are always female. And yet you can easily tell them apart in a crowd, primarily because these fuckers are always ripped and tower over everybody else, and they adopt a more kung-fu'ish pose than the other enemy types. Great visual design. Ya love to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Armagon Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Canada has officially gone too far. 2 hours ago, Interdimensional Observer said: Boktai 2 won't save Save states? 2 hours ago, Interdimensional Observer said: Given what you've said before, it smells like white saviourism. Blind, naïve, and condescending. Pretentious too. Bungie was hiding tweets of actual LGBT Latinos who were calling them out on their bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidereal Wraith Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Armagon said: Canada has officially gone too far. They went too far already Armagon, they went too far already. Edited October 3, 2023 by Sidereal Wraith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Guess it's finally happening. McCarthy seems already on the way to be ousted as House Speaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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