Ryo Posted September 20, 2015 Author Share Posted September 20, 2015 ^ Holy crap! XD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollysama Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Kaze!Shigure × Midoriko Kaze!Shigure? Don't you mean Saizou!Shigure? Buuuut holy wow that's alot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeptuniasBeard Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 There's gonna be a looooot of companions in Fates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokechu Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 (edited) Isn't there also [spoiler=IK minor details/spoilers]Kamui x Azura, who are cousins and Kanna x Shigure who are second cousins? Also, I noticed how that only had same-nation pairings. Couldn't you make more if you crossbreed some kids?(ex: Hinoka!Foleo and Sakura!Kinu, or Camilla!Kisaragi x Elise!Velour). EDIT: Nohr royals are [spoiler=minor spoiler once again]half-siblings but couldn't you still do things w/ the Hoshido royal sisters like Hinoka!Hisame and Sakura!Mitama & have them become cousins too Edited September 20, 2015 by Pokechu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exizel Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 (edited) There's no tag on the status screen that says "husband" or "wife" or "father" anymore, so the label itself isn't really a concern. Still, since they produce kids it's hard to hide that they are in a sexual relationship. Even for the Second Gen, it will be impossible to write around cousin marriage because of the sheer amount of it. Because of siblings, this game actually produces the most possible cousin incest in a Fire Emblem game. Look at all these banging cousins (I excluded any spoilers, this is just tagged because there are 167 possible cousin marriages): Shinonome × Sakura!Midoriko Shinonome × Sakura!Sophie Shinonome × Sakura!Matoi Shinonome × Sakura!Mitama Shinonome × Sakura!Syalla Shinonome × Sakura!Kinu Shinonome × Sakura!Kanna Shinonome × Hinoka!Midoriko Shinonome × Hinoka!Sophie Shinonome × Hinoka!Matoi Shinonome × Hinoka!Mitama Shinonome × Hinoka!Syalla Shinonome × Hinoka!Kinu Shinonome × Hinoka!Kanna Kisaragi × Sakura!Midoriko Kisaragi × Sakura!Sophie Kisaragi × Sakura!Matoi Kisaragi × Sakura!Mitama Kisaragi × Sakura!Syalla Kisaragi × Sakura!Kinu Kisaragi x Sakura!Kanna Kisaragi × Hinoka!Midoriko Kisaragi × Hinoka!Sophie Kisaragi × Hinoka!Matoi Kisaragi × Hinoka!Mitama Kisaragi × Hinoka!Syalla Kisaragi × Hinoka!Kinu Kisaragi × Hinoka!Kanna Ryoma!Kanna × Sakura!Midoriko Ryoma!Kanna × Sakura!Sophie Ryoma!Kanna × Sakura!Matoi Ryoma!Kanna × Sakura!Mitama Ryoma!Kanna × Sakura!Syalla Ryoma!Kanna × Sakura!Kinu Ryoma!Kanna × Hinoka!Midoriko Ryoma!Kanna × Hinoka!Sophie Ryoma!Kanna × Hinoka!Matoi Ryoma!Kanna × Hinoka!Mitama Ryoma!Kanna × Hinoka!Syalla Ryoma!Kanna × Hinoka!Kinu Takumi!Kanna × Sakura!Midoriko Takumi!Kanna × Sakura!Sophie Takumi!Kanna × Sakura!Matoi Takumi!Kanna × Sakura!Mitama Takumi!Kanna × Sakura!Syalla Takumi!Kanna × Sakura!Kinu Takumi!Kanna × Hinoka!Midoriko Takumi!Kanna × Hinoka!Sophie Takumi!Kanna × Hinoka!Matoi Takumi!Kanna × Hinoka!Mitama Takumi!Kanna × Hinoka!Syalla Takumi!Kanna × Hinoka!Kinu Ryoma!Shigure × Sakura!Midoriko Ryoma!Shigure × Sakura!Sophie Ryoma!Shigure × Sakura!Matoi Ryoma!Shigure × Sakura!Mitama Ryoma!Shigure × Sakura!Syalla Ryoma!Shigure × Sakura!Kinu Ryoma!Shigure × Sakura!Kanna Ryoma!Shigure × Hinoka!Midoriko Ryoma!Shigure × Hinoka!Sophie Ryoma!Shigure × Hinoka!Matoi Ryoma!Shigure × Hinoka!Mitama Ryoma!Shigure × Hinoka!Syalla Ryoma!Shigure × Hinoka!Kinu Ryoma!Shigure × Hinoka!Kanna Takumi!Shigure × Sakura!Midoriko Takumi!Shigure × Sakura!Sophie Takumi!Shigure × Sakura!Matoi Takumi!Shigure × Sakura!Mitama Takumi!Shigure × Sakura!Syalla Takumi!Shigure × Sakura!Kinu Takumi!Shigure x Sakura!Kanna Takumi!Shigure × Hinoka!Midoriko Takumi!Shigure × Hinoka!Sophie Takumi!Shigure × Hinoka!Matoi Takumi!Shigure × Hinoka!Mitama Takumi!Shigure × Hinoka!Syalla Takumi!Shigure × Hinoka!Kinu Takumi!Shigure × Hinoka!Kanna Siegbert × Elise!Midoriko Siegbert × Elise!Sophie Siegbert × Elise!Soleil Siegbert × Elise!Ophelia Siegbert × Elise!Eponine Siegbert × Elise!Velour Siegbert × Elise!Kanna Siegbert × Camilla!Midoriko Siegbert × Camilla!Sophie Siegbert × Camilla!Soleil Siegbert × Camilla!Ophelia Siegbert × Camilla!Eponine Siegbert × Camilla!Velour Siegbert × Camilla!Kanna Foleo × Elise!Midoriko Foleo × Elise!Sophie Foleo × Elise!Soleil Foleo × Elise!Ophelia Foleo × Elise!Eponine Foleo × Elise!Velour Foleo x Elise!Kanna Foleo × Camilla!Midoriko Foleo × Camilla!Sophie Foleo × Camilla!Soleil Foleo × Camilla!Ophelia Foleo × Camilla!Eponine Foleo × Camilla!Velour Foleo × Camilla!Kanna Xander!Kanna × Elise!Midoriko Xander!Kanna × Elise!Sophie Xander!Kanna × Elise!Soleil Xander!Kanna × Elise!Ophelia Xander!Kanna × Elise!Eponine Xander!Kanna × Elise!Velour Xander!Kanna × Camilla!Midoriko Xander!Kanna × Camilla!Sophie Xander!Kanna × Camilla!Soleil Xander!Kanna × Camilla!Ophelia Xander!Kanna × Camilla!Eponine Xander!Kanna × Camilla!Velour Leo!Kanna × Elise!Midoriko Leo!Kanna × Elise!Sophie Leo!Kanna × Elise!Soleil Leo!Kanna × Elise!Ophelia Leo!Kanna × Elise!Eponine Leo!Kanna × Elise!Velour Leo!Kanna × Camilla!Midoriko Leo!Kanna × Camilla!Sophie Leo!Kanna × Camilla!Soleil Leo!Kanna × Camilla!Ophelia Leo!Kanna × Camilla!Eponine Leo!Kanna × Camilla!Velour Xander!Shigure × Elise!Midoriko Xander!Shigure × Elise!Sophie Xander!Shigure × Elise!Soleil Xander!Shigure × Elise!Ophelia Xander!Shigure × Elise!Eponine Xander!Shigure × Elise!Velour Xander!Shigure × Elise!Kanna Xander!Shigure × Camilla!Midoriko Xander!Shigure × Camilla!Sophie Xander!Shigure × Camilla!Soleil Xander!Shigure × Camilla!Ophelia Xander!Shigure × Camilla!Eponine Xander!Shigure × Camilla!Velour Xander!Shigure × Camilla!Kanna Leo!Shigure × Elise!Midoriko Leo!Shigure × Elise!Sophie Leo!Shigure × Elise!Soleil Leo!Shigure × Elise!Ophelia Leo!Shigure × Elise!Eponine Leo!Shigure × Elise!Velour Leo!Shigure x Elise!Kanna Leo!Shigure × Camilla!Midoriko Leo!Shigure × Camilla!Sophie Leo!Shigure × Camilla!Soleil Leo!Shigure × Camilla!Ophelia Leo!Shigure × Camilla!Eponine Leo!Shigure × Camilla!Velour Leo!Shigure × Camilla!Kanna Grei × Midoriko Kaze!Shigure × Midoriko there are more than that, you forgot the fact that the sister can be the mother of every kid(except male Kanna and Shigure) from their side+the shared, every second gen marriage can be a first cousin marriage because of that, for exemple Camilla!Deere x Elise!Sophie. and then we have the special case of Hinoka!Grei × Sakura!Midoriko and Sakura!Grei × Hinoka!Midoriko, a double first cousin marriage . 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Ebony Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 there are more than that, you forgot the fact that the sister can be the mother of every kid(except male Kanna and Shigure) from their side+the shared, every second gen marriage can be a first cousin marriage because of that, for exemple Camilla!Deere x Elise!Sophie. and then we have the special case of Hinoka!Grei × Sakura!Midoriko and Sakura!Grei × Hinoka!Midoriko, a double first cousin marriage . This fucking game right here. I feel bad for the translators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exizel Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 (edited) I forgot that some second gen marriage cannot be first cousin marriage, the marriage between a 2nd gen hoshido character and a 2nd gen nohr character in invisible kingdom are the only 2nd marriage who cannot be first cousin marriage. Edited September 20, 2015 by exizel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taka-kun Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Moving away from this unpleasant conversation, anybody notice that Kamui is completely absent from the top 10 characters? I remember that Robin placed pretty high back in Awakening. Guess now we know who the better avatar is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Moving away from this unpleasant conversation, anybody notice that Kamui is completely absent from the top 10 characters? I remember that Robin placed pretty high back in Awakening. Guess now we know who the better avatar is. A shame too. Kamui seemed interesting to me, but as more and more came out, he became kind of... bleh.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Kamui is most definitely a huge mess Maybe IS will give us at least a less shitty avatar character next time. I mean I'd prefer none at all but realistically that's not likely to happen given recent trends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimeanRoyalKnight Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Genealogy got dethroned hard AGAIN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gayserbeam Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 (edited) there are more than that, you forgot the fact that the sister can be the mother of every kid(except male Kanna and Shigure) from their side+the shared, every second gen marriage can be a first cousin marriage because of that, for exemple Camilla!Deere x Elise!Sophie. and then we have the special case of Hinoka!Grei × Sakura!Midoriko and Sakura!Grei × Hinoka!Midoriko, a double first cousin marriage . I know I missed something.That would bring the total number to 206. Therefore it's actually possible to have any second gen marry their cousin. Note that I'm not even counting second cousins, nor am I counting the Aunt/Uncle stuff you can pull with Kanna, such as Aqua!Kinu × Shigure!Kanna (even though your aunts and uncles, on average, share twice as much DNA with you than your cousins do). Also, this: "Why!?": A Guide to Having Almost Every Second Generation Unit in Hoshido in an Incestuous Relationship Marry Felicia to Ryoma Marry Oboro to Takumi Marry Mozume to Kaze Marry Kagerou to Saizou Marry Sakura to Silas Marry Hinoka to Asama Marry F!Kamui to Nishiki Marry Aqua to Tsukuyomi Then... Shinonome × Sakura!Sophie (Cousins) Kisaragi × Hinoka!Mitama (Cousins) Grey × Midoriko (Cousins) Kanna × Aqua!Syalla (2nd Cousins) Shigure × Kamui!Kinu (2nd Cousins) That means only Deere/Hisame × Matoi would be more than "Companions." Why would you do this? I suppose you could do it by accident, really, especially if you were using all of the siblings anyways. Moving away from this unpleasant conversation, anybody notice that Kamui is completely absent from the top 10 characters? I remember that Robin placed pretty high back in Awakening. Guess now we know who the better avatar is.Personally I find the half-dragon half-human princess with the legendary chainsaw katana broadsword who can use magic spells and has healing powers who is a talented strategist that everyone loves implicitly and barfs rainbows and shits bon-bons hard to identify with Edited September 20, 2015 by gayserbeam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NekoKnight Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Moving away from this unpleasant conversation, anybody notice that Kamui is completely absent from the top 10 characters? I remember that Robin placed pretty high back in Awakening. Guess now we know who the better avatar is. Robin had the tactician thing going for them at least. Kamui just feels like a generic shonen hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryo Posted September 20, 2015 Author Share Posted September 20, 2015 Design-wise, Kamui's default look can also be a hit or a miss for many people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Especially female Kamui's bottom half Robin's design was at least quite solid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Incest Emblem yo. I once assumed that the reason the royal brothers only had sons was to avoid possible incest, but considering that Grey and Midoriko are always cousins, I now think that they just didn't care. I mean, I get that first cousin marriage is legal over there but just because something is legal doesn't mean everyone will be comfortable with it. At the very least, it'd be nice if CERTAIN first cousin pairs couldn't support while others could because of "personal morals" or whatever. Also, I like Robin's design far better than Kamui's. Can't beat that tactician cloak. Kamui's armor just looks stupid to me, especially the female's thigh holes. Don't even get me started on their character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NekoKnight Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Also, I like Robin's design far better than Kamui's. Can't beat that tactician cloak. Kamui's armor just looks stupid to me, especially the female's thigh holes. Don't even get me started on their character. I liked Kamui's outfit (Femui's thigh holes are a little silly though) but it's true that the tactician robes can't be beat. It's exquisitely detailed but at the same time doesn't seem overdesigned. In addition to the outfit, I think sword/tome is a popular combination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I liked Kamui's outfit (Femui's thigh holes are a little silly though) but it's true that the tactician robes can't be beat. It's exquisitely detailed but at the same time doesn't seem overdesigned. In addition to the outfit, I think sword/tome is a popular combination. I think the reason I don't like Kamui's dark prince/ss outfit is because it reminds me of the FE13 hero design, which I hated. And male Kamui's neck just looks weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 You'd think after Kris and Robin they'd have learned to write an avatar better. I think its gone backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frelia Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) Moving away from this unpleasant conversation, anybody notice that Kamui is completely absent from the top 10 characters? I remember that Robin placed pretty high back in Awakening. Guess now we know who the better avatar is. I wasn't a big fan of Robin at all, but after all the iffy stuff that came out about Kamui storywise I realize that while Robin has a lot of story related issues they at least have the tactician thing going on and they're not incredibly naive like Kamui. I would rather not have another avatar after this, but with this reception that won't be happening any time soon. Next time I hope we get a better avatar. Also, I like Robin's design far better than Kamui's. Can't beat that tactician cloak. Kamui's armor just looks stupid to me, especially the female's thigh holes. Don't even get me started on their character. Kamui's design is a mixed bag for me because while I like some of their design Female Kamui's thigh holes and pose in the official artwork looks terrible. Along with that Male Kamui's neck looks weird especially in the default build and Female Kamui in build 1 looks like she barely has a neck. The tactician cloak beats Kamui's design by a long shot and it never looks silly to me. Robin has a really solid design in general. Edited September 21, 2015 by Frelia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimeanRoyalKnight Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 You'd think after Kris and Robin they'd have learned to write an avatar better. I think its gone backwards. Awakening was the proof that good writing, meaningful supports and more realistic relationships do not sell copies. Why bother with all that when you can just let the player fuck everyone? Being stopped from fucking the hot main characters would've been a loss. My friend said she wouldn't buy the game if she couldn't marry Leon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyborgZeta Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Eh, I like Female Kamui's default design myself. The only thing that bugs me about both Kamuis is the lack of shoes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeonZ Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) Moving away from this unpleasant conversation, anybody notice that Kamui is completely absent from the top 10 characters? I remember that Robin placed pretty high back in Awakening. Guess now we know who the better avatar is. Was Kamui even in Famitsu's favorite characters poll though? Kamui seems fairly popular as far as fanart goes, and one of the reasons for Aqua's popularity in the poll was apparently her pair with Kamui. It's odd that Aqua would be there if Kamui were actively disliked. Edited September 21, 2015 by NeonZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryo Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 That question didn't have a poll which lists all characters. You fill in the name of your favorite characters yourself. Though whether they actually counted Kamui is another story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Book of Ereshkigal Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Mm... The only reason I like Kamui is that the girl has regular looking hair lol. I don't find much else appealing, tbh, the armor looks like a mess, and my mind has a hard time visually reading it as armor because it's too form fitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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