DehNutCase Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said: If only one of Philip or Joanna were 100% dragon blood and no one from outside the family had dragon blood, Charles II would be 13/64 = 20% dragon blood despite being 5 to 7 generations removed from Philip and Joanna. If both Philip and Joanna were 100% dragon blood and no one from outside the family had dragon blood, Charles II would be exactly twice that or 13/32 = 41% dragon blood. Are you counting each person once? Don't do that, Philip and Joanna are like 40 out of 64 of Charles' great-great-great-great-whatever grandparents. The actual math is pretty cancerous, so I only ball-parked it. Edited April 11, 2017 by DehNutCase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 1 minute ago, DehNutCase said: Are you counting each person once? Don't do that, Philip and Joanna are like 40 out of 64 of Charles' great-great-great-great-whatever grandparents. The actual math is pretty cancerous, so I only ball-parked it. For the first case, Philip of Castile or Joanna of Castile are 1 and 0. By generation: Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor, Ferdinand I, Holy Roman Emperor, and Isabella of Burgundy are all 1/2. Their spouses are all 0. Phillip II of Spain, Maria of Spain, Maximillian II, Holy Roman Emperor, Charles II of Austria, Anne of Habsburg, and Christina of Denmark are all 1/4. Albert V, Duke of Bavaria, and Francis I, Duke of Lorraine are 0. Anne of Austria is 1/4. Maria Anna of Bavaria, William V, Duke of Bavaria, and Renata of Lorraine, are all 1/8. Philip III of Spain is 1/4. Margarita of Austria and Ferdinand II, Holy Roman Emperor, are 3/16. Maria Anna of Bavaria is 1/8. Philip IV of Spain and Maria Anna of Spain are 7/32. Ferdinand III, Holy Roman Emperor, is 5/32. Manana of Austria is 3/16. Charles II of Spain is 13/64. In the case Philip of Castile and Joanna of Castile are both 1, all numbers are exactly doubled from the second generation onwards, resulting in Charles II of Spain with 13/32. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DehNutCase Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said: In the case Philip of Castile and Joanna of Castile are both 1, all numbers are exactly doubled from the second generation onwards, resulting in Charles II of Spain with 13/32. I'm going to do both Philip and Joanna @ 100% = 1 dragon-blood. Charles V, Ferdinana, Anna, and Isabella are all 1. Philip II, Maria, Christina are 1/2, Maximilian, Charles II, Anne are 1. Anne is 3/4, Maria Anna (1551-1608) is 1/2, William V is 1/2, Renata is 1/4. Philip III is 5/8, Margarita is 7/8, Ferdinand II is 7/8, Maria Ana (1574-1616) is 3/8. Philip IV and Maria Anna of Spain are 3/4, Ferdinand III is 5/8. Manana of Austria is 11/16. Charles is therefore [11/16 + 3/4]/2 which is 23/32. Hmm, only 72%, my ball-park sucked. (I thought Albert V was part of the family, but no, he wasn't.) Edit: I'm retarded, you're right. Anna isn't part of the family, FML. Charles V, Ferdinand and Isabella are 1, Isabella of Portugal, Anna, and Christian II are 0. Philip II is 1/2, Maria is 1/2, Maximilian is 1/2, Charles II is 1/2, Anne is 1/2, Albert V is 0, Chrstina is 1/2, Francis I is 0, Albert V is 0. Anne is 1/2, Maria is 1/4, William V is 1/4, Renata is 1/4. Philip II is 1/2, Margarita is 3/8, Ferdinand II is 3/8, Maria (1474) is 1/4. Philip IV is 7/16, Maria of Spain is 7/16, Ferdinand III is 5/16. Manana is 3/8. Charles is 13/32. Matching up with your calculations. Do these scrubs even Crusader Kings? Edited April 11, 2017 by DehNutCase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 7 hours ago, DehNutCase said: Do these scrubs even Crusader Kings? Inbred's chance is only 25% anyway (50% if both parents have the trait). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zangetsu Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Ok, so in other words, it's actually feasible for Roy to actually become a manakete should his mother be Ninian right guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Zangetsu said: Ok, so in other words, it's actually feasible for Roy to actually become a manakete should his mother be Ninian right guys? tl;dr Alternate Roy could be a (what I assume would be Blue) Manakid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoirCore Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 8 hours ago, Zangetsu said: Ok, so in other words, it's actually feasible for Roy to actually become a manakete should his mother be Ninian right guys? Very likely. We've seen 1/4th manaketes transform, although in different worlds. Still, stories with bad writing or not (not that 1/4th manaketes transforming is "bad writing"), there is no indication that the opposite is more likely, no matter how much dragon blood one has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 23 minutes ago, NoirCore said: Very likely. We've seen 1/4th manaketes transform, although in different worlds. Still, stories with bad writing or not (not that 1/4th manaketes transforming is "bad writing"), there is no indication that the opposite is more likely, no matter how much dragon blood one has. Non-Laguz dragons appear to pass down the ability to transform as either you can or you can't with no half-inheritance. In other words: A can-transform is always counted 1. A can't-transform is always counted 0. A child of 2 can-transforms is always 1. A child of 2 can't-transforms is always 0. A child of a can-transform and a can't-transform can be either 1 or 0, but never 1/2. This means there's no "carrier" status of a can-transform or a can't-transform allele. Magic does weird things in light of modern science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur97 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I still they won't confirm Roy's mother by making him a manakete anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zangetsu Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Alright, so Roy could transform if his mother is Ninian. Good enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoirCore Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Ice Dragon said: Non-Laguz dragons appear to pass down the ability to transform as either you can or you can't with no half-inheritance. In other words: A can-transform is always counted 1. A can't-transform is always counted 0. A child of 2 can-transforms is always 1. A child of 2 can't-transforms is always 0. A child of a can-transform and a can't-transform can be either 1 or 0, but never 1/2. This means there's no "carrier" status of a can-transform or a can't-transform allele. Magic does weird things in light of modern science. I didn't follow the conversation much since it didn't even involve FE characters or the FE worlds, not to mention the explanation is hard for me to understand (like the 1 and 0 stuff for one thing), but I don't think there's ever been any manaketes that have been implied that they couldn't transform, not even those of partial blood; just those that chose not to transform, or have had no proof against them being able to do so. Xane and Gotoh opted to toss away their dragonstones, if I'm correct, and Sophia has never been implied to be unable to transform herself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 8 minutes ago, NoirCore said: I didn't follow the conversation much since it didn't even involve FE characters or the FE worlds, We determined Charles II of Spain has a lot of dragon blood in him. There is a high probability he can transform. 9 minutes ago, NoirCore said: not to mention the explanation is hard for me to understand (like the 1 and 0 stuff for one thing), 1 is yes for both chromosomes, 0 is no for both chromosomes, 1/2 is yes for one chromosome and no for the other. Except that dragon transformation appears to be binary, so it has nothing to do with chromosomes. 11 minutes ago, NoirCore said: but I don't think there's ever been any manaketes that have been implied that they couldn't transform, not even those of partial blood; just those that chose not to transform, or have had no proof against them being able to do so. Xane and Gotoh opted to toss away their dragonstones, if I'm correct, and Sophia has never been implied to be unable to transform herself. This is all speculation anyways, partially based on how holy blood works in Jugdral, but without the mechanic of minor blood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANRYU Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Man, am I missing out on another dragon lore theorycrafting discussion in here....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Flames Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) I'm really hoping that for Roy, they'll make the Binding Blade the OP weapon that it really is, with a Def/Res buff, a ranged counterattack, and effectiveness against dragons, wouldn't that be something? Though a Manakete Roy would be cool too. Edited April 11, 2017 by King of Flames Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero1k Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, King of Flames said: I'm really hoping that for Roy, they'll make the Binding Blade the OP weapon that it really is, with a Def/Res buff, a ranged counterattack, and effectiveness against dragons, wouldn't that be something? Eh, I'd limit it to built-in Distant Counter, since it had 1-2 range on it's game, similar to Siegfried and Raijinto. I wouldn't take it that far. Edit: And maybe make it inheritable by the other Roy. Edited April 11, 2017 by Zero1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Flames Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, Zero1000 said: Eh, I'd limit it to built-in Distant Counter, since it had 1-2 range on it's game, similar to Siegfried and Raijinto. I wouldn't take it that far. Edit: And maybe make it inheritable by the other Roy. Yeah your right, if Roy did get that kind of power, he'd reach Mega Rayquaza levels of broken, and I don't think anyone wants to go through that again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zangetsu Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) Geez, are we going to have to start a new thread on who should have Distant & Close Counters? Cuz I'm cool with that. Edited April 12, 2017 by Zangetsu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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