Group Mafia -- Game Over

[BBM]

I don't think Shinori's attack against Shin was part of RVS at all, so uh. And yeah, people do stuff differently, but it's so easy for scum to say something bad and then just take it back under the pretense of "doing it for reactions" that I just don't like it when townies do it either.

@Eclipse- I don't know how serious Manix's vote against me is; it was made initially for posting the meme, though he might have chosen to keep it there for other reasons.

[eclipse]

I don't think Shinori's attack against Shin was part of RVS at all, so uh. And yeah, people do stuff differently, but it's so easy for scum to say something bad and then just take it back under the pretense of "doing it for reactions" that I just don't like it when townies do it either.

@Eclipse- I don't know how serious Manix's vote against me is; it was made initially for posting the meme, though he might have chosen to keep it there for other reasons.

Neither do I. All I see is petty bickering, which is why I'm getting frustrated.

[Shinori]

I'm not bickering at all. I voted Shin for a legit reason.

##Unvote:

##Vote: Eclipse

Do something then.

Things are happening.

[eclipse]

I'm not bickering at all. I voted Shin for a legit reason.

##Unvote:

##Vote: Eclipse

Do something then.

Things are happening.

I am. It's called waiting for the other half of the game to show up, because the active people don't really warrant a vote.

[Grace]

@Eclipse- I don't know how serious Manix's vote against me is; it was made initially for posting the meme, though he might have chosen to keep it there for other reasons.

why the apathy bro? don't you really care that I've kept my vote there ever since RVS and I haven't said why?

[CT075]

Hm, I exist.

UNFORTUNATELY nothign that has happened was helpful for me so i'm super null on everyone >|

##unvote

[BBM]

I assumed that you didn't have a better reason to vote for anyone else, and if your vote against me did indeed become serious, you would say something about it.

[Shin]

I really hate memes... except the lolrus. I'd vote for you again if I could.

[BBM]

Don't you have anything else to say? If the meme was the main reason you voted me, why mention the bit about me jumping on Shinori? What do you think of the plan to test mine and Elieson's Hated claims that Eclipse posted a while back?

[Grace]

this is where I say I definitely did have increasing concerns over you and had reason to keep my vote there. I was trying to bait you into reacting to my unexplained votepark but you didn't take the bait which made me sad ):

bbm's logic is fine, although i'm still wondering about his jump on shinori. feels forced in a sense

- reference frame

something else I want to point out is that BBM voted on Shinori here (with the shitty meme) and then still expresses concerns here, but yet when we return to the reference frame BBM says

What Shinori's doing isn't scummy, it's just deliberately provoking in an annoying way for no particular reason.

which is a little contradictory imo. feel free to correct me though, i might be misunderstanding.

the "feels forced" part is mostly referring to the initial jump on Shinori and then the extra statements condoning his actions.

something about BBM's post with lynch numbers is off. he's already trying to shift doubt on Elie even after they pretty much agreed that having a hated cc in the game is probably a case of two town having it

- referring to this post here

basically this is what started tipping me off more: you said you were perfectly okay with doing the test but yet you shoved a small amount of doubt on Elie with the whole "but I don't particularly want to get lynched if Elie is lying for whatever reason"

leaving my vote on BBM for two reasons: 1) as a reaction test and 2) for below logic

- below meaning the two parts above (these three quotes were all successive posts in quicktopic)

which lays perfectly into the established narrative. this post here

okay he's not biting like I wanted him to, time to bait the reaction out[/url] came not too soon after your post here, to which I then called you out here in an attempt to bait the reaction.

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now onto something else in my quicktopic.

"Cam's empty unvote irks me but it's not enough to push on quite yet" - this post

pretty self explanatory but not having any reads at this point? seems a little weird.

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Shin you're here give some opinions on people thanks

[Grace]

cut by BBM like a pro

[CT075]

no reads is partially due to my focus being quite elsewhere at the moment

[Grace]

well when you have time/get focused again i'd like something out of you

[Shin]

Mostly BBM actually, I have no idea why somebody would take a joke vote so seriously. Especially since that meme was so bad, SB was actually funny! Anyway, I have literally nothing to go on with SB, I'd like to mention Shinori for mentioning SB. Also, nice votehop, all aboard the BBM express!

[BBM]

Manix, you're not looking at the time of my posts. My first few posts about Shinori not voting were at night (or early morning, I guess), and when I said that it wasn't scummy, just provoking and annoying, that was after I'd slept and woken up and come back to it with a fresher mind. In that same post, I unvoted Shinori. I expressed some doubts because it would be a waste if I got lynched trying to prove my role when there's a better way to do so other than the Hated modifier that I don't particularly want to reveal at the moment.

Shin, what? How on earth did I votehop? I was the first person to vote for you. Unless you're talking about Shinori, in which case I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say.

[Elieson]

Hey, everyone, Xinnidy doesn't exist!

It proves two roles, and if Elieson is lying for whatever reason, he goes down the next day. If we don't get a lynch off because of numbers, we have two lynches. If you are Hated (something else), this might be a problem, but eh. It's better than the nothing that's happening so far, and I want discussion about this idea.

Ok this, I personally don't like. One, because I don't think that this is really an attempt at scumhunting, and two, you are pretty gently prodding to RoleFish (notably, only in my direction, and not BBM's).

So my response?

Are you thinking of putting both Elie and I at L-1 for deadline? That's a pretty good idea if Boron tells us specifically that it was due to a lynch tie, but I don't particularly want to get lynched if Elie is lying for whatever reason and I go above him in votes.

This.

i'm going to be blunt here: I don't think it's worth doing this plan because it uses our lynch for the possibility that we don't even get scum, and it's entirely possible that scum could have someone with their own hated modifier which means we might be getting a false positive.

i'd prefer to scumhunt as normal and pick a lynch off that, because otherwise we are likely to be put on the back foot.

Then This.

OMG, responses to my idea!

I am getting a lot of nothing out of half the players. Much as I'd like to traditionally scumhunt, it's not easy when that much of the game isn't here. That being said. . .

##Unvote

##Vote: Balcerzak

I saw you in here earlier. What do you have to say?

I see this as a weak jump back. Your suggestion to lynch two simultaneous players on just a Modifier claim and nothing else concerns me. I know activity is rather lul, but that's just a risky idea more than anything else, and I'd rather see you actually do something to hunt for scum.

Neither do I. All I see is petty bickering, which is why I'm getting frustrated.

And this certainly isn't what I meant.

I'm not bickering at all. I voted Shin for a legit reason.

##Unvote:

##Vote: Eclipse

Do something then.

Things are happening.

Shinori, why are all your posts except like one or two related to defense? You should do something.

Hey, everyone, Xinnidy doesn't exist!

It proves two roles, and if Elieson is lying for whatever reason, he goes down the next day. If we don't get a lynch off because of numbers, we have two lynches. If you are Hated (something else), this might be a problem, but eh. It's better than the nothing that's happening so far, and I want discussion about this idea.

Ok this, I personally don't like. One, because I don't think that this is really an attempt at scumhunting, and two, you are pretty gently prodding to RoleFish (notably, only in my direction, and not BBM's).

So my response?

Are you thinking of putting both Elie and I at L-1 for deadline? That's a pretty good idea if Boron tells us specifically that it was due to a lynch tie, but I don't particularly want to get lynched if Elie is lying for whatever reason and I go above him in votes.

This.

i'm going to be blunt here: I don't think it's worth doing this plan because it uses our lynch for the possibility that we don't even get scum, and it's entirely possible that scum could have someone with their own hated modifier which means we might be getting a false positive.

i'd prefer to scumhunt as normal and pick a lynch off that, because otherwise we are likely to be put on the back foot.

Then This.

OMG, responses to my idea!

I am getting a lot of nothing out of half the players. Much as I'd like to traditionally scumhunt, it's not easy when that much of the game isn't here. That being said. . .

##Unvote

##Vote: Balcerzak

I saw you in here earlier. What do you have to say?

I see this as a weak jump back. Your suggestion to lynch two simultaneous players on just a Modifier claim and nothing else concerns me. I know activity is rather lul, but that's just a risky idea more than anything else, and I'd rather see you actually do something to hunt for scum.

Neither do I. All I see is petty bickering, which is why I'm getting frustrated.

And this certainly isn't what I meant.

I'm not bickering at all. I voted Shin for a legit reason.

##Unvote:

##Vote: Eclipse

Do something then.

Things are happening.

Shinori, why are all your posts except like one or two related to defense? You should do something.

##Unvote (I lost my votals notes)

##Vote Eclipse

That gentle rolefish attempt on me without even suggesting anything on BBM is vague, but I think something's there.

[charlie_]

8 minutes left on computer when I looked at it. Then I went back 5 minutes later and it said 48 minutes left. WTF?

So I'm kind of applebound at the moment. I've got all I want to say scribbled down in notes, but my post might not go up until whenever the update is done (which may be tomorrow) depending on if my ipod decides to be a jerk and delete the thing during my write-up. We'll see.

[Balcerzak]

Holy fuck this is a lot of pointless bickering back and forth. Why am I even part of the group, let alone let my sister show up to these things. With the way she is, undoubtedly she'll get jumped on for something completely benign, and that would annoy the hell out of me. The only one allowed to abuse my sister is me.

*punches sister*

What do you mean "ow," that was barely a lovetap, you pussy. Suck it up.

Anyway, in terms of actual game content, I'm a bit behind because of Easter, (grandpa being a minister kind of forces my hand on attendance and such), as well as being dog-tired for some reason. Maybe I'm trying to fight something off. Anyway, I'll go take a look back and reread. I can say that my death would clear one and exactly one other member of the town here. Since the dual Hated modifiers don't actually clear themselves, and instead lead to a sort of nebulous situation, I can't really condemn them for existing at this point, and need to do a fair bit more careful analysis on them. It would have been nice if someone had tried to claim something that couldn't possibly co-exist with my role, but I'm not sure such a thing even exists, so wishful thinking.

My initial eclipse vote was obviously a joke-vote, but recent skim suggest it couldn't hurt to keep it there due to potential lazy rolefish, but I want to read up on that situation a bit more before I leave it there for solid, or decide where it needs to move to.

[Sunwoo]

... Do you guys need an extension or something? I will allow one 24 hour day phase extension for the entire game.

[Elieson]

Considering yesterday was Easter, , performance is hurting all around for sure.

I'm down with a one day extension due to the holiday, if others are as well

[Shin]

I'd be happy to extend by a day as well. It'd be nice to see the other half of the game.

[Grace]

i'm cool with an extension

content in a bit when i'm less dead

[BBM]

Extension is cool.

[charlie_]

...

How do you know this?

##Vote: Mawneex

I don't like this post for a few reasons. First is the fact that he ignored pretty much everything else in the game so far (the only other part of the post was banter.) He also seemed to think that scum would actually be stupid enough to post in the actual thread "hey guys we're talking and stuff". This also bugs me because it reminds me of ToS, where Aleph pushed the Baldrick lynch with the "how do you know there's a quicktopic", and it's quite similar here.

##Vote: Shin

Why did you vote BBM over SB?

Why are you bothered about what Shin thinks of me. And why are you singling out Shin here over everyone else in the game? You said it was for Shin's reactions, why him in particular?

OMG, responses to my idea!

I am getting a lot of nothing out of half the players. Much as I'd like to traditionally scumhunt, it's not easy when that much of the game isn't here. That being said. . .

##Unvote

##Vote: Balcerzak

I saw you in here earlier. What do you have to say?

How come you were so quick to drop discussion on your idea? If you brought it up in the first place, didn't you think we would gain something by trying it? Also prodding an inactive doesn't get a lot done.

Are you guys done nitpicking? The only one with a vote on anyone relevant is Manix on BBM, and all I see are side comments about BBM that don't push anything. In other words, I think this vein is a waste of posts, time, and reads.

Kind of reminds me of SSBU, where you tried to stifle discussion. What were they going to talk about if you had your way, if you thought the current discussion was worthless?

I am. It's called waiting for the other half of the game to show up, because the active people don't really warrant a vote.

You think that the whole thing is a null tell, or something else? I don't know what you're thinking at all about other players, which concerns me. You were poking Balcerzak for his input earlier, when you still haven't given any yourself.

##Unvote

##Vote: eclipse

An extension would be good.

[Shinori]

Mainly because Shin felt it was worth placing a vote on BBM over. Which I found weird.