Kamen Rider Ryuuki Mafia - Game Over

[Deliriyum]

Iris, I voted for 13th.

[Naglfar]

oh dear

Votals.

13th: JB, Sho, Core, Bizz, Domu

Blitz: 13th, Nightmare

Nightmare: Blitz, Rein

Domu: Strawman

[Iris]

Hng, thank you Nags~

Like Eclipse, I shouldn't do Votals, ever. >__>

But voting analysis will be helpful knowing who voted when / after whose claims, so I'll continue. Maybe.

VOTALS

[5] 13th: Blitz, Blitz, Bizz, JB, Sho , Bizz, Bizz, Core, Domu [blitz, JB, Sho, Bizz, Domu]

[2] Blitz: Core, 13th, Nightmare, Domu, Core, Domu [13th, Domu]

[2] Nightmare: Blitz, Rein (forced)

[1] Domu: Strawman, Kay, Kay, Eclipse, Eclipse [strawman]

[0] Eclipse: Joshy, Rein, Blitz, Kay, Blitz , Domu, Kay, Domu, Rein, JB

[0] Rein: 13th, 13th

[0] JB: Sho, Sho

[0] Core: Domu, Domu

/ /

By the way, what do you guys think the numbers for town / mafia / third party are?

[Shinori]

So im back i managed to get off early. New years is about to hit though! Anyone able to explain the massive 13th voting?

[Jaybee]

Your potential is how should I say it, weird. Bandwagoning to get people talk is completely normal on day 1. I dont get why you make such big number about it. Its something extremely small and meaningless yet you pull it on the table. That is very much derailing.

Yes, but you don't word a one-word lynch as a bandwagon. I don't think it was just a mistake, or a joke post, no matter how much he tries to cover it up, unless 13th can come up with a goddamn good explanation. Which he hasn't.

I voted Rein to try and pressure him. If you'd have noticed my other post, I said that my bandwagon comment was a joke. I try to avoid making those, and this is why. They usually end up with me getting lynched.

I guess there is only one thing to do.

I am Town Persuader. In a random choice, I made Rein vote Nightmare to see what kind of flavor is made when I persuade people. It also lets me test the power to see what happens. This is D1. I had no info on who I should persuade to do what, so I chose randomly.

I didn't want it to come to a D1 claim, because those tend to result in either killings of people or result in the claimer being lynched.

But since our dear JB decided to incriminate me with this with evidence that, like Sho said, is random and almost derailing, I have to claim to try and defend myself.

With that said, I will NOT vote JB. I still think Blitz is the one who is most suspicious, and think that lynching him, besides ridding us of one nuisance, will most likely take out a Mafia.

I didn't tell you my real role. I expected the Persuader to work.

I guess, since I will be lynched, I can tell you my role.

I am a third party Fool, and win if I can get myself lynched Day 1 or if I survive with the Town.

As such, I have been posting irrelevantly, and driving you all up the wall with my bad gameplay.

So that said, I will leave since I have a New Year's Party to get ready for.

I'm so fucking confused right now.

##Unvote

13th, please quote your win condition. I don't think this game will end if you get lynched (and my suspicion is you really aren't fool and are just bullshitting horribly), but what the hell, right?

In the meantime, ##Vote Sho.

You seem awfully defensive of our dear 13th here, who does seem to have cracked under all the pressure. Oh dear! And since I've got the feeling that he's scum, and with how... vigorously you're defending him, my guess is you're scum too, right?

[Deliriyum]

What.

Sho is pushing for a 13th lynch last time I checked.

[Jaybee]

I... got the impression he was just giving up on 13th.

... ##Unvote

I have no fucking idea

[Jaybee]

*word a one-person

shit

[Blitz]

I thought Blitz made Rein vote on Nightmare to add to his vote, since he says he has a life and that he's busy and there isn't much time. If that tactic had gone unnoticed, he might have saved himself from this situation. Plus, since he is acting too randomly, scummish and ignoring everything to vote on Nightmare with no reason at all, I wouldn't lose anything from it...

That was my theory, before 13th made this post:

Um... Why did you feel so under pressure? The only one who's voted you is JB. Either way, your claim has clarified a lot for me.

I'll take your post as a confession, then...

Someone who's asleep doesn't post. >:

Also, someone PLEASE tell me why 13th is being so overdramatic and saying that he's going to get lynched, because I'm confused as fuck.

Dude, I said I had a life cause I have a life and I have things to do, I can't sit in front of this PC all day reading and posting, I had to clean up the back yard, and I forgot to close the browser so you guys saw my name still here,eventhough I was AFK.

also, I don't think 13th is lying, it would be weird for a mafia member to claim that easily with just two votes on him, and a hoard of other buddies of his to back him up, I think he really felt he was gonna be lynched(shouldn't I be the one worried?)

[Blitz]

Expounding on that: I am thinking, and with all the discussion about how this game has gone, I don't deserve to win.

I don't want to win

I don't have the desire to win

I plan on dropping NOC entirely after I die.

I think I found out why you are bored of this game

you put SOOO much effort into such worthless things(like who exactly posted what and where) that you realized you don't want to do it anymore and decided to quit

[Deliriyum]

Will you guys stop reading into the names of people reading the topic thinking that it means something? It's really a waste of time analyzing whether somebody is "lurking" or not. Many people(read: me) leave their browsers up when they are afk.

[Nightmare]

If he turns out to be Mafia, then I believe Nightmare is to be cleared out.

If he turns out to be town, Nightmare is still cleared out, because how would he know if I'm town or scum? Unless he has like double powers of investigation and persuasion, but I doubt that.

Anyway, I'm not sure if 13th is scum. I remember in FE4 mafia, he had a pretty scummy play style but then turned out to be town anyway, when Kaoz took over. I don't feel like I should vote for him just because he's being hysterical as all hell (if hell were hysterical). However, I'm also wondering about my random Blitz vote...but I'll wait and see what happens before unvoting.

[Kay]

1) Why would someone want Rein to vote Nightmare?

Might be mafia, in which case it gets rid of a possible vote against them, or they might be town and suspect Nightmare and possibly Rein.

2) Who do you think is most likely Town, at this point?

Besides me, Blitzy

3) Who do you think is scummiest, at this point?

Nightmare

4) If you could choose one person to lynch, who would you choose?

IDK yet.

Filled this out as I was reading through the thread, so this is how I would have answered at the time the survey was first posted. Not sure what to think of answer #1 now. ATM I would answer question 4 with 13th, but as explained at the end of this post, I don't want to lynch him without hearing more of his side of the story first, and I may well change my mind.

No one looks especially town to me at this point. I'd say Iris, because she makes those helpful posts, but who's to say they aren't meant to be misleading? So my verdict remains as "no one" for the time being, until I get more reads.

I don't think mafia are primarily quiet to avoid pointing things out to the town, I think generally the point is to avoid scumtelling. Votals are really easy - there's no interpretation involved, so it would be a perfect way for mafia to look helpful. Besides, it's not even that helpful, since anyone can check the votals for themselves.

13th, you aren't making a bit of sense.

Possibilities:

1a) 13th is the Mafia Persuader, claimed to try to avoid being lynched because claiming is supposed to look pro-town, then claimed Fool when it made things worse in a final attempt to stay alive.

1b) 13th is mafia, someone else in the Mafia is the Persuader, he claimed Persuader because his own role was more obviously anti-town/to keep the town from learning about the existence of other roles/so no one would counterclaim, then claimed Fool when it made things worse in a final attempt to stay alive.

1c) 13th is mafia, the Persuader is town-aligned and 13th wants them to counterclaim. This one doesn't make much sense.

2a) 13th is the Town Persuader, claimed to avoid being lynched and explain why he targeted Rein/Nightmare, then claimed Fool because he thought it was the best way to keep himself alive and that there was a reasonable possibility of lynching scum/less useful townies.

2b) 13th is town, not the Persuader, he's trying to find out who the Persuader is for some reason/had some other strategy involving claiming a role known to belong to someone else, claimed Fool presumably because it would keep him from being lynched.

2c) 13th is town, not the Persuader, actually decided he didn't deserve to win the game/wasn't going to anyway, and is messing around doing crazy things.

3a) 13th is the Fool, claimed Persuader because it was suspicious, then claimed Fool as a WIFOM.

3b) 13th is the Fool, claimed Persuader because it was suspicious, genuinely doesn't want to win.

First of all, 13thShadow, I am going to be really annoyed if you're actually playing differently based on not wanting to win. Or if you quit NOC because you don't feel like you're good at it. I'd say you're pretty good at NOC in a lot of ways, and you can always ask about what to do in a certain situation, at least once the game ends.

I don't think any moderator would want a forum mafia game to end because of a fool winning, so lynching 13thShadow isn't really dangerous for that reason. I think there is a reasonable possibility that he is town-aligned, though. Specifically, I'm thinking 2a makes the most sense. We have plenty of time left in the day, so I'd like to wait for 13th to get back and explain himself, preferably once he calms down somewhat. There are other things to discuss in the meantime.

[Nightmare]

I don't think mafia are primarily quiet to avoid pointing things out to the town, I think generally the point is to avoid scumtelling. Votals are really easy - there's no interpretation involved, so it would be a perfect way for mafia to look helpful. Besides, it's not even that helpful, since anyone can check the votals for themselves.

That's pretty much what I was thinking. Sorry if I worded it badly there.

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

at the moment I would say its too risky to left 13th alive :/

[Shinori]

at the moment I would say its too risky to left 13th alive :/

to risky to left? You mean leave?

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

*too risky to leave -.-

[Kay]

at the moment I would say its too risky to left 13th alive :/

Why is that? What's he going to do? A Persuader isn't very dangerous at this point in the game, and while I would probably give a Fool some extra ability, I doubt it would be anything that powerful. Sure, it could be that both claims were fake, but still, he probably wouldn't be giving up if he was not only mafia but had some insanely overpowered role.

It's not like he's going anywhere and we won't be able to lynch him some other day.

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

The thing is that issue of him might get worse once the game proceeds. If he can cause this much derailment in day one, i dont want to see the rest of days he could derail. But really, I still am ready for Nighty lynch

[Kay]

The thing is that issue of him might get worse once the game proceeds. If he can cause this much derailment in day one, i dont want to see the rest of days he could derail. But really, I still am ready for Nighty lynch

Derailment? Would we have been discussing something else otherwise? Considering the normal activity level on SF, I'm not about to complain about talking about the wrong thing.

[eclipse]

I should be in bed, and I've just come back from a New Year's party. I had a bit too much to drink. . .so let's do a recap~! I'm on the default post per page view. If I've messed up, do say something! For the sake of everyone else, I'll refer to Domu as Rapier.

Page 3: Game starts. Kay asks for volunteers to be lynched. JB votes me for whatever reason, then posts some Shattered Honour things into a mafia about Kamen Rider.

Page 4: Blitz thinks JB volunteered to be lynched. Rein makes a rather sarcastic and useless comment. Core doesn't seem to like the D1 start. I reply that D1 starts can be useful, if you know how to pressure, then reminded everyone in Shattered Honour to post, or else. Blitz is confused, so I facepalm a link his way. Rein votes for me, and puts clear text into his post. Blitz decides to try pressure voting, and votes for me. I facepalm at the current votes so far, for having terrible logic. Kay votes me because read it yourself. Blitz unvotes me, because he thinks I'm gonna die on N0. I say that voting with no logic on D1 is bad. I'm not dignifying this with a summary. Blitz seems to think I'd be a better D2 lynch target.

Page 5: I get mildly annoyed with Kay. I can't tell if Core's agreeing with Kay or being sarcastic. Blitz makes a post, then remembers that Core was playing. Rein makes a post of IDKwhat. I ask Kay why she's assuming I'm mafia. Rapier votes me, because he can't think of anyone else to vote for. Core wonders if Blitz always plays like this. Kay says she's trying to figure out if I'm mafia. Core can't figure out if Blitz is acting strangely or not. Nightmare says that Blitz is inherently strange. Blitz says he's always crazy, but just wanted to try the pressure thing. Strawman whines about the D1 start, then votes Rapier for sheeping. I start getting seriously annoyed. Strawman ninjas me, so I post a correction on one of those numbered points.

Page 6: Blitz greets Strawman. Kay says she was ninja'd (in seven minutes, I guess), then decides I'm not paying attention to her, so votes Rapier for being a sheep. Blitz asks if he should join the wagon. Rapier says that he doesn't know how everyone else plays, and that there's no clues, so why NOT sheep? I scold Blitz. Core says that sheeping isn't helpful, but not necessarily scummy, because we're a little lacking in the info department. Iris does a votal. Blitz wants to see if this bandwagon thing is fun. ;/ Blitz greets Iris. Core is worried about Blitz, and votes for him. Blitz laughs at the vote. Faster if I link this one (Iris). Two points from Kay. I am not condensing my thoughts on the entire game in one sentence. Rapier admits he was voting on terrible logic, and unvotes me, while still insisting on his unfamiliarity with play styles. Shinori exists. 13th exists, promises not to be as random, then votes for Rein for a bandwagon?

Page 7: Blitz wonders who else voted for Rein besides 13th. Rapier still insists that he's not familiar with play styles, while quoting the post where I said if he was misinterpreting something because of a play style, someone else would point it out. Iris updates votals. Best post in the thread at this point, by Strawman. Blitz questions Shinori. Iris fixes votals again. 13th clarifies that he means the D1 wagon, not the Rein wagon. Blitz votes for 13th, and states in the very next post that he doesn't see the point (uh, difference, maybe?) Shinori has a life. Iris defines "bandwagon", and asks Blitz for his logic behind his vote for 13th. Blitz says hi to Sho, then this, ugh. I unvote Rapier for his justification, then eat brunch (which was delicious). Logic by 13th. Nightmare can't decide if Blitz is scum or not. Blitz says that most players are inactive during the first phase. Rapier's vote for Core, and his logic behind it. 13th seems to see reason in Rapier's last post, and wants to watch more before lynching.

Page 8: Strawman facepalms in Blitz's general direction, then says that he's been called out for "lurking" when he's been reading the thread. Bizz says she was asleep. Blitz asks Bizz to make Nightmare more active. 13th, uh, greets Bizz. Blitz apparently wants a convo with Sho. Nightmare believes in quality over quantity. Bizz needs to read. Blitz decides he agrees with Rapier, and unvotes, followed by a Nightmare vote. 13th wonders where everyone is. Blitz answers wisely. 13th decided he'll keep his vote on Rein, and will be watching for the next four hours. Bizz asks everyone to not kill Nightmare for being awesome. Rein states that he jokevoted me, and put transparent text in there. Blitz thinks Nightmare is lurking. Nightmare tells Blitz not to bring his personal problems in the game. Parse fail. Iris tells 13th to hold his damn horses, more matter with less art, that he's being spontaneous with votes, and does more votals. Blitz is confused.

I will continue tomorrow morning. It's 2 AM here, and my head still hurts. That was a lot of fluff. UGH.

I'll decide my opinions of everyone once I'm through with my summary, and vote accordingly.

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

Derailment? Would we have been discussing something else otherwise? Considering the normal activity level on SF, I'm not about to complain about talking about the wrong thing.

Derailment as in everyone and their mother is very very very confused by actions of 13th

[Kay]

Derailment as in everyone and their mother is very very very confused by actions of 13th

Well, yeah. Claiming emo fool kind of does that. So, let's talk about something else. Like where Shinori and Rein are. Strawman and, IIRC, JB have made a few good points, so I'll let them off the hook for now. But enough has happened that everyone should be able to think of something to say about it.

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

Well, yeah. Claiming emo fool kind of does that. So, let's talk about something else. Like where Shinori and Rein are. Strawman and, IIRC, JB have made a few good points, so I'll let them off the hook for now. But enough has happened that everyone should be able to think of something to say about it.

works

Lets see...

...I think I have said my fair share about what has happened I don't think I can say right now too much without it being total derailment

[Kay]

...I think I have said my fair share about what has happened I don't think I can say right now too much without it being total derailment

Go ahead and derail things again, then. It'll give us something to look back at when we know more.