Kamen Rider Ryuuki Mafia - Game Over

[eclipse]

Because the simplest possibility is that I'm the town cop. Anyway, enough with you. You've admitted that my assessment of your alignment is correct. Now, summary time~! Even if I die, I very much intend on being useful!

Page 61: RIP Core, Town Tracker. Nightmare scratches his head. JB wonders why the mafia would target Core, of all people, then wonders if the mafia has a role cop. Speculation by Kaoz. Core is sadfaec. Nightmare echoes Kaoz, then asks Core if he can post his results.

Page 62: Core points out the rules. Nightmare doesn't like rules. Snike wants inspection results. I comply. Kaoz doesn't understand, so I make a stepwise list of what happened. Kaoz tries to threaten me with losing, then asks for his role. Snike wants to know what Nightmare softclaimed. I explain what exactly a Town Cop is, and say that I'll be useful no matter what Kaoz flips. Snike votes Kaoz, and wants the Doctor/Hooker to out, as well as Sho. Kaoz wants more stuff my role can't provide. Read this yourselves. Sho votes for Kaoz because he's not fighting it, and says he hasn't been hit. Snike wants Nightmare to get into the topic because of all the softclaims. Sho wants to know my N1 target. Here's an exercise in reading what I write. Sho says he doesn't care. I thank Sho for not spamming. Kaoz says something about me losing.

Page 63: I don't care if I die, because I win when all anti-town members die. Snike wants claims. My claim. Rein votes Kaoz. Iris wants me to clarify something, facepalms at Kaoz, votes for him, and does votals, pointing out that majority's really close. I do some outside-of-the-scope-of-the-game apologizing. A better defense by Kaoz. I have no idea what MFW means. WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THE MAFIA DIDN'T KILL ON N2, SNIKE? Kaoz's claim. Sho unvotes Kaoz to see where the conversation goes. My counter. Snike makes a statement that confuses me, wants Kaoz to clarify my role, and thinks that his SK/Inspect theory makes no sense. Nightmare wants to watch things unfold instead. Sho corrects me when I get my names mixed up. Kaoz answers some of Snike's questions. Snike asks me a question about what I'm claiming.

Page 64: I explain exactly what I am and my result. Kaoz isn't sure what kind of cop I'd be. Snike isn't sure what Nightmare's supposed to be. Nightmare wants Kaoz to go into detail about his role, which he does. I facepalm. Kaoz asks why. I state that he's not contesting my role or inspection result. Town, pay attention! I point out that his first theory makes no friggin' sense, in relation to what he just posted. I'm putting these links in for a reason. My theory is that Nightmare's role and mine can coexist, and some logic behind my reasons for inspection. Kaoz asks me some questions while waiting for Nightmare. My answers. 13th is confused. This would be a good post, if not for two posts I linked earlier. I get irritated that Nightmare somehow missed two separate posts by Kaoz stating that the latter thinks the former is the alliance checker. Sho doesn't like my theory. I told him it's a possibility I won't discard, just as this game could really have two independent BPs with no vig. Kaoz posts a couple of lines.

Page 65: Kaoz doesn't want to be lynched overnight. Pseudo-thoughts on everyone. I suddenly like Nightmare a lot less. 13th votes Kaoz based on me (and admits that it's mindless). Stuff by me, I do hope you guys actually read what I post. Kaoz is persuaded to vote for Rein. I facepalm. Snike quotes Nightmare and says he took it as a softclaim, then facepalms. What in the bloody fuck is this, Sho? LOGIC BY 13TH!!! I facepalm again. Snike facepalms. SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS, PLEASE! I point out that scum is scum, and WTF was that last post? Snike facepalms, and isn't sure who I was defending. 13th posts more logic, which I'm facepalming at too hard to link. Snike bangs his head against the wall. REIN EXISTS!!!

Page 66: I explain my different reasons for defending people, and urge you guys to read these things! Sheesh!! Sho giggles at 13th. Totally neutral of you, Sho. I ask for a good, logical reason why I need to out my clear. Snike doesn't give me a reason, and wants the shrink to out immediately? That's a pretty poor reason, Sho. I tell Sho to do his own damn research. Sho doesn't see how it's harmful. IRIS EXISTS!!!! Apparently, Strawman has a life. Read backwards. JB thinks a doc reveal is rather silly, and can't fathom why such a role would fail on him, and needs to stop posting from school. So does Kaoz. Someone didn't read the responses to the numbers question Iris posted way back on D1. I explain the purpose of numbers, and why 8/4/2 is rather unlikely. Nightmare shrugs. JB does his own numbers explanation, and wants to know why Snike wants the doctor/hooker to out. ;/

Page 67: JB's explanations. Kaoz's thoughts. JB forgot that there was no N0. I'm not quite sure what Snike's getting at. I don't think I'm any weird cop variant. Kay walks in, then gets around to posting something. Kaoz says something about kills that makes no sense. Snike brings up crossfire. Kaoz goes back to that weird 8/4/2 theory again. Longer post by Strawman. Kaoz does some hinting. I repeat myself about 8/4/2 being an extremely bastard setup. The 1337 post is Iris, who thinks we're not doing a very good job with the day, and agrees that 8/4/2 is horrid. Kaoz continues to push the point. Strawman votes Kaoz, and says that lynching him makes the most sense. I point out the difference between imperfect balance and bastard balance, and promise to type this up when I'm done with LHM.

Page 68: Or, you can make me look good. The posts afterwards are probably the closest thing to a coherent argument between me and Kaoz, so do read it yourselves. Sho's in there somewhere, asking about Odin. He's also in the topic, at last check. HI~!

Player thoughts to come!

[eclipse]

HI PROTO!

D4V3 (Rein) - Posted twice, one of which was actual logic.

JB - Posted here and there but I don't have an issue with what was posted.

eclipse - I get the feeling I'm either being hooked or killed tonight. Was nice trying to play with you guys~!

Bizz Snike - The call for the doc to claim felt weird; everything else less so. I'm not sure what to think of him.

Shinori Kaoz - I'll give you a proper critique during postgame, but that wasn't your best showing as mafia.

Nightmare - I'm not sure how he missed two separate posts by Kaoz stating that he had softclaimed Alliance Checker. This doesn't make me feel good in the least.

Kay - Try to exist more during the week, and take notes.

Iris - You need to exist more, too! I happen to like what you post!

Strawman - I hope you like your new room, and also hope that you read backwards more often, so I don't feel strange about you, ever.

13th - I honestly have no idea what the hell he's thinking. Part of me says there's no way the mafia can be THAT stupid, but. . .

Sho - For a neutral, he's very nosy. I don't like the vibes I'm getting from him. . .and the fact that me saying this will probably start a shitstorm. . .

[Kaoz]

Because the simplest possibility is that I'm the town cop.

Because simplest = truth, right?

Way to dodge my statement again btw.

Shinori Kaoz - I'll give you a proper critique during postgame, but that wasn't your best showing as mafia.

Given that I wasn't playing seriously, that's to be expected.

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Anyway, the phase will end after this post... I will die with the knowledge that the town already lost

[Naglfar]

Kaoz is at majority and has indicated that he's done here. Phase end.

One moment.

[Percivalé]

lol man something I really really want to say

but it would count as game content probably

[Naglfar]

Votals:

Kaoz [6]: Eclipse, Snike, Rein, Iris, 13th, Strawman

Rein: [1]: Kaoz (forced)

It was a simple day. Eclipse's statements went largely unchallenged, and nobody disagreed to lynching Kaoz.

Dear Kaoz,

You are Kamen Rider Ouja.

You are easily the most consistent villain of the series, constantly attacking everyone. You fight with multiple weapons, though most commonly your Veno Saber, a spiral-bladed sword, and you go crazy with it. Your motif is a cobra.

If it's there, may as well use it. Each night, you may reply to this Role PM with Night X - Use Steal Vent on USER. If USER targets a member of the mafia with their night action, their action is voided. It resolves as your own action, targeting its original user. In short, you're the Mafia Copier.

You are mafia-aligned. You win if you achieve parity with all non-mafia players.

Having hit one of your targets at sunset, you hope to catch another over the following night.

It is now Night 3. Phase end: January 12th, 11am GMT

[eclipse]

So, I got a guilty on the guy who I trolled, canonically speaking. I'm trying to decide whether this is a hooker, or can exist alongside a mafia one. I'm probably dead tonight, though.

[eclipse]

Also, where are you guys?

[Nightmare]

Hi, I'm here. I don't know how I missed those Kaoz posts either, and I can't remember them at all.

Looks like we weren't missing anything in particular. Hmm...not the first time my intuition goes wrong. Or perhaps I was interpreting it wrongly.

[13th]

IP Chat and DTT, where else? I'm just waiting for something important at this point.

A few opinions

Rein: Scummy as heck to me. Something about him seems way off.

JB: Seems fine enough. Maybe a handful more posts would be nice, but timezones are kinda painful to work around.

eclipse: She definitely seems protown, but I must admit, something does seem kind of off about her

Snike: That claimcall was really odd. Why would you want the Doc to out?

Nightmare: Hi Nightmare. I don't have much of an opinion about you.

Kay: Kay needs to speak. Why is she so quiet?

Iris: Iris has been helpful overall, but I don't know enough about her opinions to learn much from her.

Strawman: Generally protown.

13th: LYNCH ME, I'M SCUM Ahem, I mean, Hi. I figure opinions are in order.

Sho: Hi Sho. Not much I can say about you. Your claim is still off to me.

So with that said, my scumlist, and reasoning.

Town

Strawman: He's actively participating, and is generally helpful

Nightmare: Getting more active, not really seeing many flaws in his logic

Eclipse: Claimed Town Cop, but something is slightly off

JB: Generally helpful, if quiet.

Iris: Not quite as much help as the above, but is at least mostly kind of active

Snike: That call for the Doctor makes me worry, and I think Hooker is normally a scum role.

Kay: WAY too quiet.

Sho: Just suspicious to me. His claim doesn't match up with his act.

Rein: Something about you seems extremely off. I seriously don''t see why everyone thinks you're not so scummy.

Scum

[Nightmare]

I'm mostly suspicious of Kay because when she does show up, she posts something that's...somewhat irrelevant to what's going on (at least the last few times). To me, this seems like she's trying to paint the illusion that she's actually saying something, while she isn't. Besides that, I remember her mentioning that she's quiet as scum, because she's afraid of scum slipping, and that certainly fits her behaviour in this game.

Also, guess I owe an apology to eclipse for suspecting her.

[eclipse]

Being skeptical is all right. Being skeptical to the point where it sounds like you're pulling reasons for disbelief out of thin air so people don't listen to the cop isn't. It's a fine line.

[Nightmare]

What reasons? All I was saying was that I don't know if I can trust that revelation, and that I'm worried of the dangers the lynch might have (in the event Kaoz was town; remember, I did not like his defence either), and the rest of the day, I didn't post because I thought my idle suspicion would be useless, and the only way to see if you were telling the truth was to see that lynch happen. What's wrong with voicing my thoughts when I'm town? I mean hell, I can't do it anywhere else, so might as well do it here, right? If you think I was trying to get people to actually not listen to you, you're reading too far into my posts. I said before that you people were overestimating me, but now you're just thinking I'm stupid enough to actually try something as dumb as pulling reasons out of thin air.

[eclipse]

Quoting 8/4/2 as numbers wasn't really a good move, IMO. I don't mind questions being asked, but when I see arguments that don't make sense, I have to seriously wonder why they're being put out as possible reasons to be skeptical.

[Nightmare]

I did mention it was just to be as cautious as possible, so I don't know what you're getting at here. I acknowledge it would be a bad situation, so I guess I should've mentioned that too.

[Iris]

Rein - hasn't done much; no opinion

eclipse - Liking her more and more - not definite town, but verily much like one~! Probably will die tonight - *salutes*

Bizz Snike - Needs to explain why he wants Doctor to out.

Nightmare - Again, progressively getting more active. This is a plus~!

Kay - Where is she?

Strawman - When he does post, it makes sense, but I can't say I recall all too much

13th - His logic fails to make sense to me. Probably a better use of our time to not focus upon it, though.

Sho - Dunno - a little too focused upon scumhunting for an independent, though

JB - Angry demeanor as always.

Guys, for those curious about Eclipse's clear, it gets more obvious should you read her opinions on other characters (or summaries)~ not that hard.

(past) Votals:

Kaoz [6]: Eclipse, Snike, Rein, Iris, 13th, Strawman

Rein: [1]: Kaoz (forced)

Kind of missing votes from - Nightmare, Kay, JB - just busy / why didn't you vote last phase? Not an accusation, just a question~!

[Nightmare]

I thought it was unnecessary, since Kaoz was going to get lynched anyway. Also to avoid majority so we could get all we could out of that last day (but we didn't get much more, it seems).

[Kaoz]

I just remembered I still have my "Fuck you" post.

OP and title need to be updated.

[Kay]

Kind of missing votes from - Nightmare, Kay, JB - just busy / why didn't you vote last phase? Not an accusation, just a question~!

I was busy the first day of the phase, there wasn't much for me to say or do later on. Kaoz was going to be lynched anyway, there was no point shortening the day, and I didn't have much of an opinion yet. By the time I had much of anything to say, the phase was over, and it wasn't really relevant.

Nightmare, you misinterpreted my post. I said that was generally why scum were quiet, not because it was a planned strategy to not be noticed. Look at nearly any game, I'm too quiet as town, too. I just have trouble speaking up in general.

[Strawman]

Awesome. Good job cop!Eclipse.

Everyone is doing it so it must be cool!

Rein: Could be more helpful and post more.

JB: Still having trouble getting a solid opinion on him. Will need to read more.

eclipse: Pretty much confirmed town for me. Why else would she out as cop and get a mafia lynched?

Snike: I don't agree(and neither do many people probably) with him that the doc should out there results, but he has definitely been contributing and logicing it up.

Nightmare: Mostly Townish in my eyes. His activity has gone up and his posts seem pretty helpful for sure. THere are still some things here and there that I find...interesting though.

Kay: Her lack of activity is rubbing me the wrong way. Looking to be one of the more suspicious players imo.

Iris: Generally solid opinions, looking pretty good.

Strawman: School is starting back and i hang out with my college friends a lot so activity is going to be lower. I'll try to be as active as possible though, I promise.

13th: I don't even know. (I cant get the mark-though to stop!) I want to believe he really is town but his actions are just making it hard.

Sho: I believe his third party claim considering Rapier's was true, not much else to say about him.

I'm mostly suspicious of Kay because when she does show up, she posts something that's...somewhat irrelevant to what's going on (at least the last few times). To me, this seems like she's trying to paint the illusion that she's actually saying something, while she isn't. Besides that, I remember her mentioning that she's quiet as scum, because she's afraid of scum slipping, and that certainly fits her behaviour in this game.

Also, guess I owe an apology to eclipse for suspecting her.

I have also noticed that inactivity is a big scum tell for Kay. But I think she has also been getting quieter in general in mafia too. Definitely a place to start tomorrow unless we get some good leads by then, I guess.

[Kay]

Ack, second part of that was unclear. What I mean is that I think it's a common reason to be quiet as scum, but I wasn't saying it was why I was quiet.

[13th]

Anyone else find it odd that Snike wanted a normally Mafia role to out its results?

Because last I checked, Hooker was a mafia role.

Doctor/Hooker, out your night 1 and night 2 protections/hooks, now. I'm pretty sure we got this.

I think that's at least worth pointing out one more time.

[Snike]

13th, what the hell does a hooker do?

It roleblocks.

The name doesn't mean anything. I'm just using mostly Smogon terminology.

I can prove my role, though, if you want.

@ everything else: I'll explain next phase, should I survive.

[Jaybee]

I thought one or two more votes would end the phase with majority, so I held out in order for argument to go on.

and lol posting from sch

[riariadne]

okay sorry for not being active today but I was kind of busy violently throwing up for most of the day and also had other things to catch up on

Anyway, Kaoz was mafia, so that's unsurprising. 13th is still going to plead innocent with a dead mayor and claiming Persuader, So that's even less of a surprise. His logic is "Something about you seems extremely off. I seriously don''t see why everyone thinks you're not so scummy."

I don't think we need a popcorn smiley. We need an applause smiley.