[NOC] Volcanic Anonymafia - Game Over

[Prims]

10 minutes.

[Shiki Ryougi]

Urgh, sorry. I've been away all day today. Anyway, I have no objections to lynching Flaming Hot. If there's 10 minutes left, I'll hammer.

##Unvote

##Vote: Flaming Hot

[Ochako Uraraka]

Wait. A majority is needed to Lynch alone, does that mean, should things stay the way they are, there will be a No Lynch?

Please, somebody hammer FH if that is so.

[Ochako Uraraka]

Oh. Nevermind.

[Prims]

HAMMER SHUT UP

Flaming Hot may post ##Kill: <Target> (but nothing else) to vig a player of his choice.

[Cú Chulainn]

##Kill Frank Lucas

[Prims]

Night 4

Flaming Hot (5) - Pocket Ace, Moeblobs With Hats, Failbaddon, Frank Lucas, Pasadena (LYNCH!)

Frank Lucas (3) - Bored, Flaming Hot, Paperclip

Not Voting: None!

After four whole days of squabbling, the townsmen finally noticed the lack of a specific fabulous presence in their village. Indeed, Flaming Hot had constantly been absent from the town meetings. Turned out he was just out shopping at the mall and engaging in other stereotypical activities. Town from threw him into the volcano anyway out of newfound homophobia, and by the end of the day, Flaming Hot had gone down in flames before Prims could even slip a gachimuchi reference into the flavor.

Flaming Hot - Vanilla Townie - Lynched Day 4

Suddenly, the volcano began to bubble! It seemed Flaming Hot's sensual (dead) body had triggered a reaction, and now an eruption was imminent. The villagers fled for their lives, but only 6 of them would make it back to the village safely...!

Frank Lucas - Vanilla Townie - Vigged Day 4

Frank Lucas may have been a crime lord, but he had no ties to the mafia team. Town poured one final one out for their fallen dealer before burying him with the rest of his Blue Magic.

It is now N5.

Edited March 18, 2013 by Priam

[Prims]

Day 5

A city in Los Angeles was destroyed by a tidal wave last night, because God hates California. Witnesses believe the city's existance may have been a hoax and that it was actually a Fire Emblem character in disguise the entire time.

Pasadena - Vanilla Townie - Killed Night 4

It is now D5. You have until 6:30 PM on Wednesday, March 20st (Pacific Standard Time) to decide on a lynch. With 5 alive, it takes 3 to hammer.

Edited March 18, 2013 by Priam

[All Might]

I'm most suspicious of Bored at the moment. His activity over the last few phases has consisted pretty much solely of tunneling Frank.

After that it would probably be Fail. He had some good posts on D3 after subbing in, but his D4 consisted mainly of waffling on both Frank and FH. His posts left me with the impression that he didn't think either of them were very likely to flip scum, but despite this, he made no real effort to push anyone other than them. He made some small attacks against Moe but never voted for her or tried to build a case against her.

[C. C.]

Moeblobs thinks that Fail has been pretty town since he subbed in. Pocket Ace has had a town read from Moeblobs throughout the whole game, despite some odd pushes from him.

...actually that just PoEs it down to Paperclip and Bored, to be fair. Paperclip has only barely hung on in the game with his activity, and Bored has been pretty lackluster throughout the game as well, as I've stated a number of times. Notably he was one of the few players to avoid the Mormegil wagon.

Moeblobs is prepared to support a lynch of either player.

[All Might]

Well, I suppose Fail and Bored don't make very much sense as scumbuddies. However, I don't believe in judging a sub's play solely by their own- I thought the original Fail's play was lacking and he pretty much tunneled on Bored during all his posts. I haven't really found any problems with Paperclip's play, tbh, other than his inactivity. Moe was an early townread, but Fail had some good points with regards to Morm's buddying of her. So my lynch priority probably goes something like Bored > Fail > Moe > Paperclip. Kind of unsure because my reads haven't been very good this game.

[Marisa Kirisame]

I am completely confused right now and am going to have to end up rereading. I'm pretty sure blobby is town but I don't have a damn clue on anyone else.

[Prims]

edited in shitty rushed flavor in case anybody cares (they don't)

E: ALSO now's a good time to send in player guess lists, since it's LYLO and all

Edited March 18, 2013 by Priam

[C. C.]

Moeblobs with hats twiddles several thumbs with hats

No wait that's a hat with thumbs, curses!

Are Bored and Fail going to show up anytime soon?

[Ochako Uraraka]

Argh, I'd wish this could be somehow pushed off to next week, but I haven't subbed in just to become useless as it is.

First of all, even though I thankfully see none, let's refrain from voting until we established a majority lynch option, if possible. There are five people, three town and two scum left. An unwary town player that votes on another townie can allow scum to blitzlynch and win. We don't want this to happen.

I acknowledge my early D4 was understellar. Mostly my lack of conviction in said wagons and lack of willpower to reread other people. Hardly the most pro-town play. However, I don't feel my last few posts were as indecisive, and would like a clearer opinion of them if possible. This goes specifically to Pocket Ace.

It's far too late in my timezone to sit around and build the case I want to build on a certain person, so I'll have to unwillingly push that to after I get some sleep, in the hopes that I'll be more inspired.

[All Might]

My issues with my own conclusions on FH are revolving on his own lack of content. So I can't say I'll ever be content with lynching/not lynching him unless he steps up his play, and signs point that he won't. And I feel I can't really build a more solid case on him with what's given, which is a bummer. However, I feel it's a much better lead than what I can see from Frank, and, considering the difference in content amounts, I find that pretty significant now.

At this moment, I suppose it is best for someone to just hammer Flaming Hot, lest some miracle happens and all the players start posting content this close to deadline.

Well, Fail, there were parts to your posts like these that sort of implied, even after you made a case against FH, that you weren't entirely comfortable with lynching him. And you definitely weren't comfortable with lynching Frank Lucas or even having the vengeful shot be used on him. At best, the fact that you barely even tried pushing your primary scumread, Moe, is lazy. At worst (and this is what looks more likely to me atm), you sort of just went along with what the town was doing, since you would have known beforehand that we were making a bad decision with both our lynch and vengeful, while still saying "I don't know about this guys..." to come out of it looking good.

I'll wait for your Moeblobs case I guess. Also waiting on Bored.

[Marisa Kirisame]

My reread isn't quite complete yet (I've gotten preoccupied with other things) but I've got a pretty big townread on Pocket Ace, and Bored looks worse than I remember. So assuming nothing changes scum is Fail and Bored by PoE.

[Ochako Uraraka]

Oversleeping, feeling terrible for half a day, and missing class is not my usual idea of getting some sleep, but I digress.

Though you're free to interpret is as you will, the fact that I am not decisive about neither of FH as Frank Lucas did came from reads I couldn't make entirely clear, at least in my opinion. As a town-sided player, that also happens, and I'll never be fully comfortable if the content isn't up to par. I doubt any sort of case I'd have brought down on Moeblobs would have come to fruition, with the focus on FH and Frank Lucas by everyone else, my bothersome suspicions that they were both town were correct, yes, but does that really imply this much? Day 4 also had a very big problem with content outside of those two wagons. Also, if you are really going to hold this against me, you should note that you've done similar.

As for my past self, he was certainly not the only one to have been inactive for a long time, and, while his suspicions were fairly stubborn, I'm pretty sure his inactivity showed, especially on D2. He's pretty comparable to senbon for the most part, whom pretty much parked on Invisible past his RVS vote. I'd like to think that little content and poor activity is more of a nulltell, with the past lynches in mind as well.

In that regard, I'd also like to hear more from you and your suspicion that me, Mormegil, and Bored make the more likely scumteam. For that same matter, what makes Paperclip in particular so low in your scumread list? if you can explain.

Though, while that is up to debate according to whose view is right, there is something you've certainly assumed wrong: My case is on you, not Moeblobs. You are my main scumread, as of a reread. Let me set this down further, now that I've taken the time to get some things straight from the past lynch. Bear with me for a moment.

At first, I'll admit most of my suspicions came from thoughts on the grounds of rereading things and going: "Why are his reads so off?", "Since they are so off, why are none of the people he finds scummy nightkilled at all?" and, on the moment you finally got Mormegil down with us: "Why did scum kill enigma over him?", "Why is he still alive over Pasadena, whom was still under little suspicion, but definitively more than Pocket Ace?". Considering your play, and the fact that you were what seemed a townread for most, including myself, I discarded them. But now, with the player density this low, and with the help of some PoE, thoughts that were off urged me to do a further read on you, though, I'm still not done either. Though I'd personally like to point your interactions with Mormegil in early day 1 and just before he was lynched, and mostly how he addressed you with relevant information instead of town as a whole, despite you ending up as one of his suspicions in the list. It's hard for me to express the rest of what I think right now, and I'll take a break before continuing.

While I'm still here, I'd personally want Bored to exist again.

[Rain Nijika]

Hi, I'm here. Yes, I'm aware that I was tunneling on Frank, but I felt that his misrep of my case was an attempt to make me look scummy without actually committing himself to a case and so I continued to push. Yes, I'm aware that this makes me look bad, but I did what I thought was a good vote and I guess I was wrong.

Moving past that, I don't really like all this PoE going on. It doesn't actually help that much because I can just as easily say that well FMPOV by PoE the two scum must be Fail and Paper. It's not really an argument as to why I'm scum or why they're town, it's just "Oh, I'm town so they must be scum." I feel it's possible that both Paper and Fail are scum, but I'm not going to just rule out Ace and Moeblobs either. I'm going to try and reread stuff later, but I'm also fairly busy right now, so I'll do my best but can't promise anything stellar.

[All Might]

Fail, your case against me basically comes down to "He looks town, so the fact that he hasn't died yet makes him scum". This is bad logic, because it assumes that the scumteam thinks like you do in terms of their townreads. Even if they do, they might have decided to kill someone who was on the right track with their scumreads. Or possibly they haven't killed me because my scumreads are wrong. I don't know. The point is that there are several possibilities as to why I haven't died yet, so saying I'm too town to be town is scumspec at its worst.

As for how I did something similar to you, not at all. The post that you quoted of mine was, as I say in the post itself, from 4 hours before phase end, where any lynch other than the existing wagons of Invisible, Bored, and Flaming Hot was not really possible. As it was, even Invisible's lynch was barely achieved, and he was the largest wagon at that time. On the other hand, your first post of D4 expressed your doubts about both FH and Frank being scum, and your scumread on Moeblobs, and was made with around 60 hours left in the phase. There's a huge difference there. If you'd pushed the Moeblobs case, you had more than enough time to convince others she was scum.

Additionally, I'm not sure you read Morm's last post correctly.

Honestly, I don't even know what WIFOM is. But I can understand from context.

It seems I'll most likely be lynched, so I'd like to point out for Pocket and Enigma (for reasons I stated before), Fail (his attitude only, for saying he'll switch my vote just as easily) and Pasa (who might be trying to not get associated with my lynch from not voting me, but then again, he might be just late). That's it now.

He wasn't saying I was a scumread. He was saying that you and Pasa were his scumreads, and was addressing Enigma and I. As for why he was addressing me specifically, in one of the other posts he did so, it was because I asked him to shoot Frank if he was town, so he was replying directly to that. As for this particular post, not sure, but he also addresses Enigma, a confirmed townie, so him addressing me hardly makes me scum.

If you've got actual posts of mine that you can point out are scummy, go ahead. But don't change your townreads to scumreads just because they're too town to still be alive.

[Prims]

25 hours left.

[C. C.]

To the Mod:

Can we get a countdown?

[C. C.]

Oh it appears I haven't refreshed in awhile. No wonder the game looked so inactive.

[C. C.]

Moeblobs is getting a little impaient that 48 hours have managed to run through the phase, and my two suspects aren't done rereading. Moeblobs will be patient just a bit longer, but it's getting around the time when things need start happening.

I've had suspicions on Bored since D2 or so (as stated a few times throughout the game), so I have no personal qualms about having him lynched for LYLO.

[Ochako Uraraka]

Curses, I can't build a case at 3AM, I'm a terrible sub.

Fail, your case against me basically comes down to "He looks town, so the fact that he hasn't died yet makes him scum". This is bad logic, because it assumes that the scumteam thinks like you do in terms of their townreads. Even if they do, they might have decided to kill someone who was on the right track with their scumreads. Or possibly they haven't killed me because my scumreads are wrong. I don't know. The point is that there are several possibilities as to why I haven't died yet, so saying I'm too town to be town is scumspec at its worst.

Well, first of all, thank you for giving me the time to delve further in my reading instead of attacking my case outright. This is not sarcasm, as I frankly expected worse.

I suppose I outed enough to give the thought I'm judging you based on your towniness. Yes, I don't suppose looking town and alive is enough to hold on to, but I've believe I tried to make it a point that this is what started my investigation. I don't expect it to hold weight in my case against you by the end of this. And if it does, I'll be very ashamed internally. It's hard to express this case.

If I may add, I'm still expecting answers to some of my questions, I'm sure you can look at them again. However, to refresh on one I find relevant: why do you find paperclip the less likely to be scum?

As for how I did something similar to you, not at all. The post that you quoted of mine was, as I say in the post itself, from 4 hours before phase end, where any lynch other than the existing wagons of Invisible, Bored, and Flaming Hot was not really possible. As it was, even Invisible's lynch was barely achieved, and he was the largest wagon at that time. On the other hand, your first post of D4 expressed your doubts about both FH and Frank being scum, and your scumread on Moeblobs, and was made with around 60 hours left in the phase. There's a huge difference there. If you'd pushed the Moeblobs case, you had more than enough time to convince others she was scum.

Your link is botched and takes me to the next page from my first post in day 4. I assume you meant this.

PEDIT: That link is botched as well, hrmh. I assume it's some html conflict, or some error specific to 40ppp if others can see the link right.

Well, there is a fundamental difference between similar and equal that I'd hope would be a ground common enough for this. Thing is, you've still had doubts about the wagon that was going on at the time, it's not a long stretch to say I could attribute to you some, though not all, of the values you threw at me in this post. As of the point you had posted that conclusion, the game was still very active, in contrast to the recent days, and you've taken away from the time you could have pulled to build a case to oddly push and question the other players available except for Invisible himself. Yet, even with more votes for Flaming Hot, you just went and announced that you'd switch votes to ensure a lynch, even if you felt Flaming Hot was the more likely to flip scum.

As for the 60 hours I had. This is a mostly personal answer, but most of the hours I had to spare to the mafia, I've declared and spent on rereading the two wagons. Which was probably not my smartest move, true. I still disagree with the way you see scum intent in them, but that does not make for much in terms of my defence.

Additionally, I'm not sure you read Morm's last post correctly.

You spotted this right. After you pointing it out, I realized I've had that post wrong ever since day 4, hrm.

It now looks very awkward, as Enigma was one of the people he pushed noticeably.

He wasn't saying I was a scumread. He was saying that you and Pasa were his scumreads, and was addressing Enigma and I. As for why he was addressing me specifically, in one of the other posts he did so, it was because I asked him to shoot Frank if he was town, so he was replying directly to that. As for this particular post, not sure, but he also addresses Enigma, a confirmed townie, so him addressing me hardly makes me scum.

I can see that now.

Though it's weird that he's addressing enigma, alongside you. I wouldn't say him addressing you alongside Enigma hardly makes you town-sided by definition of logic either, also taking in mind how Enigma was nightkilled just after that, but very well. Delving deeper into this post will only really cause scumspec. Though, considering your stance on the most likely to be scum, and that you think of yourself as town, I'd like you to ponder on his post more.

If you've got actual posts of mine that you can point out are scummy, go ahead. But don't change your townreads to scumreads just because they're too town to still be alive.

As much as I'd like, I don't have any time left to hunt for scum intent in your posts. And I don't think I will have time tomorrow until phase end, either. But I could try accessing from a mobile phone. I'll probably do so, since I don't think I've made much except for defending myself, in this post. I'll probably have to if I even want to know what Bored and Paperclip even have going on in their minds.

As for Moeblobs, I think I've found peace with the common ground that does not think they are scummy, after a re-read, which brings me to a dire need for content from the two with promises of rereads. At this moment, I would also be okay with a Bored lynch, on the basis that, ever since a while before mormegil's lynch, their content and opinions decreased drastically. I'd like to know if there's a satisfying enough answer to that, if they are done with their reread.

With regards to Paperclip, he just needs content through and through. Moe, if you really do have a case on him, please speak up. I just need an actual view on this guy as it is, and I don't think I have time to, myself.