Pokémon uPick Mafia - Day 4

[Bluedoom]

Actually wait, ok, "Not saying they are scumbuddies" looks non-committal, nvm, yeah I get it, that really does look bad.

[Refa]

Uh, the second post is talking about Manix FTR. Also so very ninja'd.

[Refa]

If my scumread has some sort of case, and it's apparently not enough to sway my vote, I'll quote it and explain why it's not enough. That's the kind of thing that someone can respond to.

Here's the Shinquote:

So, it's a "well they COULD be scumbuddies thing", with enough room such that Shin can deny it if either flips town. I can draw the conclusion that Paperblade and Boron might be buddies because both distanced themselves from the Blitz debacle D1 and both didn't give Manix proper responses to his content during this day phase, but even if what I said is true, it could be that Paperblade's not SF's most confrontational poster, and Boron's been popping in and out due to RL.

In other words, scum logic.

Okay yeah, that one is my bad. WRT reads followups, I've just been focusing on responding to responses on my initial read/followups (I haven't gotten any from Manix AFAIK) and portions of their future posts which either read as town/scum to me so far. I don't think I've ever thought of doing that before, actually.

Also wow, I must've been half asleep while I was initially reading through Shin's post. I thought he was more sure that they were scum together which is why I wasn't so bothered by it, but yeah...that's pretty bad. I still maintain that the associative read itself isn't scum logic (it's flawed logic, they're not equivocal) and it comes across him as being like "wait a second, I think I'm onto something here". That's fine but the actual conclusion doesn't follow from that, logically or tonally. I don't think he's being wishy washy because he thinks they're both town, though, but I'll elaborate on that later after his response.

[Refa]

Sorry, forgot to respond to this in my last post.

@Eclipse + @Refa

I thought Marth was doing the best scumhunting because he was giving reads on a lot of players and bringing up things other people weren't mentioning and that conflicted with my thoughts on his end of D1. But it seems like he should have voted for me already, but he hasn't done anything with all those reads he was producing.

I don't like Crysta for end of D1 (I was trying to say something about Marth and Crysta in that stupidly big post i did but idk if it really got across). And i kind of missed why everyone has dismissed her as a lynch but I'll see of i can find that tomorrow.

So I would say ##Vote:Marth

The thing about Manix is that especially in recent games is that she has just like in this game pretty much mentioned being distracted or not engaged in every post, so the meta stays true to what i've noticed recently. But in the past two games she was pushing her reads and votes stronger in those games. Here I haven't noticed that, but she'd also drawn more negative attention. So you have town meta with post style, town tone (something about strong conviction when mentioning role and alignment is believable), but the content isn't her town content at all.

I don't get your Marth vote. I agree that his lack of a vote is lame but I can get where he's coming from (although TBF, that's in the post after yours and I'm curious to know what your thoughts on that post are) but it feels like you're voting him because you don't think he's doing enough with his reads. Besides a vote (already talked about that), what else do you think he'd do differently as town?

Can't speak for anyone else but I dismissed her as a lynch because of her wall post and her followup to that (specifically, the response to me).

Manix is playing very differently from the last game I played w/him, but not holding that specifically against him because demotivation is a null tell (believe me, I tried to push SB on that in the very same game and he ended up being town).

[eclipse]

Now I'm following Refa.

Crysta's posting reads, without having someone sitting on her to do it. While being wishy-washy about which of Manix/Shin flips is meh, it's something I can refer back to later. . .and if I survive that long, I will.

[Grace]

What bothers me about Shin is that it felt like he dropped his Crysta read as soon as support for her lynch dropped, which reads as opportunistic.

someone give this man a medal, because that is what i was saying earlier

strange, isn't it?

re marth: his latest posts just do not do it for me. can't particularly be bothered to figure out precisely why but they just feel empty. or something along those lines

[Grace]

as for @paper: normally if i'm not talking about other players, it's probably because i don't think they are scum. not quite sure what exactly you're expecting from me

[Grace]

or at least, they don't have anything interesting to speak about at this time. usually by reading what i'm saying it should be fairly obvious at least what area of stance i'm taking toward players

[eclipse]

A wild Manix appeared!

Refa/Boron explained their logic, now it's your turn to explain yourself. Like, there's /effort in this game, so can you put in your share as well?

[Grace]

unfortunately the /effort may have to wait since i won't be at my computer for very long now

probably somewhere in the order of 4 hours will i be able to once more (laser tag is important dammit)

[Crysta]

Warning: kind of in a fugue state right now, but I’ll try to /effort.

I logged off last night thinking Manix’s continued demotivation was more likely to be scum demotivation and his role was redundant with BBM’s. I don’t see the possibility of Shin and Manix being scum buddies at all and I was entertaining the notion that I might actually be wrong, ergo saying I was willing to consolidate on him. I didn’t actually crossvote him yet but that’s simply because at the time I didn’t really see much of a point of whether it happened sooner or later.

But then #378 happened when I was asleep. It seems eclipse has already highlighted it’s badness. He seems to be going for 99% certainty instead of 100%. I’m not sure why Manix’s “self-preserving attitude” sits “very badly” with him in the corresponding #384, either. He seems to double down on Manix’s vote on me being weak and not productive enough but I would have been fine if it was literally “lynch her over me pls” and that’s it; this is more of a tone problem I have with it. With Manix’s posts I can see it happening with a townie who is feeling tired or not in the game (I know I’ve felt that way before) even though it’s bad; it’s harder to see Shin’s post coming from a townie.

He did comment on my wallpost and said it wasn’t awful but insisted I was still focusing too much on Blitz for nothing so I got the impression his read on me didn’t really evolve. And yeah I still think harping on me for not restating my opinion on Blitz in said wallpost was also lame because I can’t see why anyone would be seriously bothered by that. I’ve already said all this, though.

So I do want to lynch him before Manix.

@Strawman: Read my D2 content pls. I’m not sure why you’re still looking at D1 content at this point. It’s been some time.

As for Marth, I recall him being around when I was skimming through the thread last night and found it strange that he wasn’t posting more, but I don’t find his new content scummy. I might have to comb through it more thoroughly later.

I may be around at deadline but I can’t guarantee it. I’ll try to stick around longer before I descend into a food coma, though.

[Crysta]

Re: Strawman: I recall him being wishy-washy af in Sacred Stoners and he was town, but I also recall him getting better at providing reads as the game progressed. idk.

[Crysta]

And if Shin's scum I will lose all interest in lynching Manix after all of that. He could probably faceplant on his keyboard in every post and I would not care.

[Crysta]

i keep forgetting that you only need a majority and consolidation doesn't nearly matter as much as it usually does

gg me

i might just faceplant and people can complain about my hipster wagon votesitting in D3

[Paperblade]

more I think about it the more I think that if Boron is scum she doesn't claim that role and just blows up a townie who gets too many votes

#helping

[Shin]

Also wow, I must've been half asleep while I was initially reading through Shin's post. I thought he was more sure that they were scum together which is why I wasn't so bothered by it, but yeah...that's pretty bad. I still maintain that the associative read itself isn't scum logic (it's flawed logic, they're not equivocal) and it comes across him as being like "wait a second, I think I'm onto something here". That's fine but the actual conclusion doesn't follow from that, logically or tonally. I don't think he's being wishy washy because he thinks they're both town, though, but I'll elaborate on that later after his response.

It's more because there wasn't any Crysta to talk about than dropping the read. I'm not planning on weaselling out of my associative read on Crysta, it's just that I am open to the possibility that I'm wrong - although I don't think I am. Like I can see it comes across as uncommitted, but HEY.

Strawman, where has that Marth vote come from? Is it purely his lack of reads? Looking back, his content's been pretty sparse D2, but is that the only case you can see?

[Paperblade]

I'm probably gonna miss deadline

so I should probably like read more and make sure my vote is good

but I'm tired

[Prims]

I KEEP FORGETTING I'M IN A MAFIA GAME! FUCK!!!!!!

[Prims]

I am gonna choose sleeping at not a completely horrible time over posting content. I still think Manix is the best scum candidate and I'm feeling like his flip needs to happen to move gamestate forward at this point, at least for me. I dunno about the Marth cases, I haven't read them!! Strawman is pinging me as likely scum though.

[Grace]

tfw you're completely freezing and you can't feel your fingers

i will probably go through and make brief to moderate comments on players and then that will probably be it for me

[Grace]

BT - still do not care about this slot existing, content is not great and his first post having the whole "i'd vote manix" and "he's null" in the same post is just like. why distance from that then explain your way into voting me (which isn't the issue itself, just the initial disconnect). kinda makes me think he's just trying to get the push in for the sake of it.

Strawman and Iris get the token lurkscum accusations.

also what does this even do. really.

not to mention iris did mention a potential lack of activity for basically this entire day phase, so :shrug:

Boron - probably town. content does not read like a scumlord. don't care hugely about the claim, but the fact it's public means she can't just snipe a random townie if she is scum, for whatever reason.

Crysta - nothing hugely new here. still not a big fan of the constant votesitting et al. we've been over this. null-scum imo. most of the reason i moved my vote there was because i'm incredibly bad with time lately and keep thinking more has passed when it hasn't. also helps that i thought some of her stuff was Not Good

eclipse - so town it hurts. scum!eclipse has literally nothing to gain by making a counterclaim based on the assumption that i'm martyr, unless there's something stupid going on in the setup (which i'd prefer to not assume until there is evidence it exists, considering one nk n1). her content is good as well.

Iris - see previous gripe from a little while back. probably sitting dead on null since lol what is content

Marth - remember the time that marth was actually a presence on d1 and now isn't? yeah...

that's basically my major issue with him, as well as something i said a while back but idr what it is right now since i really cannot be bothered going through my own iso (/effort wins again)

oh right there was that thing about self-consciousness. here's a post that falls pretty much into the same corner; because he's caring too much about what people think of him (not to mention someone that he has as a scumread, see this post)

i just don't get why he would want to appease a scumread like that. probably a scumlord

Paperblade - probably town i think. scum!paper is honestly super obvious unless he has good buddies that he likes to play with (at least, that's my understanding of his meta)

Prims - something about his tone irks me but it's not something i can put into words. he's probably still town though.

Refa - i just don't want to read his posts at all. someone please help me

refer to the second half of this post for the one thing i had an issue with (and i had to dive through my iso anyway for this. so lame)

Shin - oh man i could rehash all my arguments again, but #378 is so scummy still that he should be hanged just for that alone. refer back to the whole opportunistic argument that i didn't quite explicitly state but very heavily alluded to. this person here is a scumlord

Strawman - look idk. his content is fine if a bit sparse, and i don't have many issues with it at all. just also doesn't feel like a presence, but not in the same way as marth

lynch priority is Shin > Marth > BT = Refa atm

now i have to go look up votals to put my vote in the best place possible to get a lynch. one sec

[Grace]

cool counterwagons guys

##Vote: Marth

it's literally 6:3 now. value has been achieved at last

at least if i do go out, i've at least said my piece

i might be awake for a little longer, so if anyone is around and wants an opinion on something, fire away

[SB.]

Belated Votals

(6) Manix: Paperblade, Prims, Shin, Refa, Sunwoo, BT

(3) Marth: eclipse, Strawman, Manix

(1) Shin: Crysta

(2) Not Voting: Iris, Marth

With 12 alive, it takes 4 to lynch and 8 to hammer early. You have around .5 hours to decide on a lynch.

[Grace]

tfw you're still awake but no one is around

o well. see you on the flip side, i suppose

[Bluedoom]

Not gonna be around at deadline, and I'm about to sleep, so:

##Vote: Manix