ZoesMad
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One last thing: I don't think scum!kirsche pushes Prims as hard as he does with my Lynch being inevitable, he doesn't have to go all out like that for any reason with me being such a valid target
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Most I can really say is pressure Prims for more content tomorrow.
Gun to my head would be Prims/Sully/one of Bartozio/Mack/Baldrick? I didn't get a chance to make good reads on Marth, Mack, Quote, Kirsche, Baldrick.
Make sure to look at the wagons on myself and Prims in detail, at what times people swapped and who moved where.
Shinori's largest post on p.13 has a lot of content I agree with (Bartozios waffles and part where he tests the waters before dropping a vote on Shinori) @Refa that is probably the key part
With that I bid you adieu~
P.S. Insert persona 5 joke here (what's a persona)
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Well this is unfortunate. Least I managed to churn the pot and get some association settled. I didn't honestly expect to survive this phase subbing into the leading wagon with 24 hrs left so any little bit I could do hopefully helps. Im gonna think of stuff to look for after my flip.
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I'm gonna go play danganronpa for an hour I'll be back
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27 minutes ago, Prims said:
My read on Ken isn't weak, though. I already made a post restating it. He was reactionary and obtuse and not scumhunting the way a townie should, this lasted into the serious portion of the game as well even if he dropped out early. All this is scummy play.
Weak reads get dropped as town because they were weak to begin with. If they don't evolve into anything then there's no reason to keep them.
Can you respond to what I say on the last post of page 13 then, second quote?
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26 minutes ago, Prims said:
Really my best defense is that the Ken slot is scummy as I've said here and the reason I've been voting that all day is because I want it lynched. Calling me scummy for not having strong pushes on other players is a little baffling because they're not the player I want lynched today...
Gaius voting me because I'm "lazy compared to the usual Prims" is laughable when I played even more apathetically than this and got him mislynched D1 2-3 games ago. I would think he would remember that. Regardless of meta arguments I hate his Shinori defense because Shinori is obviously not getting lynched today and it and the Quote blurb look like filler content. Actually I don't know why he didn't just post scum reads on me and Sully to begin with instead of throwing in a bunch of secondary town reads that aren't topical to game state? Potentially padding, maybe.
kirsche can die after Gaius as far as I'm concerned.
@Baldrickget back here why would you leave your vote on shinori. I don't even disagree with your case it's just obviously not happening today.
1: I can't argue against Ken's actions, which puts me at a disadvantage. I don't think there's an issue with you finding Ken scummy, it's that nothing else came after?
2: I played like absolute garbage that game so I wouldn't really use that as a point against me? That's a total straw man and not at all applicable to what's being argued here. You're also criticizing me for throwing down content when i assume i'm going to get lynched which is ???? If/when I flip, why would it not be good to have that down? Padding for what? I said that i'd talk about the main lynch wagons which were myself, Sully, and BBM, and then I had time to throw some reads out which I dead. This is such a stupid thing to call me out on. It's not like i didn't provide scumreads or evidence for them.
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Hit me up on discord at LG#2021 if you have any other questions yo, always good to have new blood
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1 minute ago, Refa said:
Yeah, fair enough WRT expectations. I mean, the first thing you said was that he was being lazy, so I don't think I'm dumbing down any of your points. Okay, I get what you're saying about the second point and agree that the logic is flawed. Why is it scum logic, though? That's what I am asking.
Also you should totally answer my question about any other scumreads you might have.
1: It's a way to cover for the park mainly, if you're using bad logic on your singular scumread, what have you really accomplished?
2: I think Shinori's Bart case is pretty decent, I can elaborate on that if you want after I finish my Statistics stuff.
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Non Alignment Indicative. Basically means something that shouldn't be used in asserting whether an individual is town or scum.
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1 minute ago, Quote said:
see my main worry is that ken really was scum who gave up considering he'd logged in and was around but not posting and we should just stick to lynching his slot
This also applies to @Refa who asked earlier on.
Ken sent a PM earlier this morning that said he overestimated how much time he'd have after classes FWIW (this is super super NAI but people are asking, dont use this for or against reads plz)
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18 minutes ago, Refa said:
Assuming three scum, who else do you think is scum and why?
Why is Prims more likely to flip scum than Sully? I looked at both of your reads and your Prims one didn't seem stronger. Like, you're not saying why Prims is scum other than he's being lazy. I don't get what your quote dumps are supposed to be proving.
A lot of it has to do with my expectations of Prims vs. Sully. Prims is generally regarded as one of the stronger players for good reason, Sully is in his first game ever. Also it doesn't just boil down to being lazy, his logic in the second quote is flawed (read it again), and I think it's kind of annoying to dumb down Prims not having any thoughts on anybody as laziness? Like, a lot has happened and we've got nothing from him.
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OK I have homework and stuff to do still, if anyone wants to point stuff out I'll comment on it, and also answer questions, but at least I got something out
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Kirsche you madman, stealing my reads (ง'̀-'́)ง Also fuck new SF I miss ISOs.
##Vote: Prims
Incredibly lazy compared to the usual Prims and just seemed resigned to a Ken lynch super early. Kirsche said everything really well, I'm gonna quote dump to show it in Prims actual play.
19 hours ago, Prims said:Hey so yeah I pretty much am voteparking at this point but how the hell has Ken still not come back with content? I think "being overreactive early on then pulling a vanishing act" is a pretty good justification as far as D1 lynches go.
Could easily see kirsche being scum but waiting for him to have the time to post more content before coming to a conclusion re:that. Bartozio feels like he doesn't have much presence even though he's been posting a lot? Don't know what's up with that.
Feeling better about both BBM and Marth after their recent content and interactions with each other.
Neutral on Shinori. His initial post with the sheep vote bugged me but since then he's basically OK if not rather angery.
@SB. New votals would be nice since there have been a lot unvotes recently. Also, you forgot to count Shinori's unvote here.
A bunch of one liners along with trying to justify the park.
15 hours ago, Prims said:Just so we're clear: I actually do think Ken is the most likely to flip scum at this juncture. In effect, he was using playstyle as an excuse to not contribute to the thread. His biggest concerns when posting were generally people voting him since that's what got him to reply to thread the most. But he doesn't engage the people voting him beyond telling them "I don't care about ED1 lol". In his response to Marth here, he says serious suspicion won't happen until later today, but what's he doing to reach that point? Is he just waiting for everybody to provide content for him? I'm not expecting super strong reads from him that early on, but a townie playing to the beat of their own drum should be doing more to actually get reads out of people if they're not happy with the current thread content. What he was doing was reactive and passive play, which is scummy.
The disappearing act is just argh at this point. It says he was last online 3 minutes ago so I don't know what's up with that.
He's clearly vanished off the face of the earth, so we never got the content. Also, I think you're overvaluing the line between letting things happen and, page 2 of RVS not having a very strong opinion on anything. Your entire read is based off the fact that he disappeared, which meant his reads never got to progress and you're scumreading him for reactive play so early in the day.
TLDR he's made minimal effort to engage the rest of the game while sitting on Ken. If you read his content from page 5 on it's incredibly lackluster.
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Anyway, I'm Haru Okumura, Town Vanilla, which won't do that much to dissuade anyone, but figured I should put it out there. Time is of the essence right now, I'm gonna focus on the main lynch candidates today, and even if I'm lynched at least give you all a confirmed townie's point of view on some of the main suspects upon my death. Least I can do.
BBM: I don't think he's been as wishywashy as a lot of people have been suggesting, Marth's defense was rock solid and BBM didn't flip off of him as fast as I initially thought. Sully's blurb has the BBM/Sully interaction explored in detail. Wouldn't lynch here.
Sully:
21 hours ago, BBM said:I think I'm going to go with this actually: ##Vote: Sully
His last few posts make me uncomfortable because it feels like he's just hopping around pressuring people who don't have votes down at the moment or haven't posted in a while and taking that to accuse them of not contributing- namely he accuses both me and Shinori of having contributed little or having no reads when I don't think that's true. It also doesn't mesh with his reason for not being worried about Ken, which is that scum would be aware of not having reads and fix that. The other bit about Ken is also kind of meaningless: "if Ken's next post is bad I'll think he's scum and if Ken's next post is good I'll think he's town". No shit?
Plus, the explanation for the initial Shinori vote here is wack. What does your opinion of the alignment of the people who voted Shinori before you have to do with why you find him suspicious?
Sheeping this. Additionally;
3 hours ago, SullyMcGully said:Okay, so the case against me has gotten pretty strong. This might be a long series of posts, so buckle down and get ready.
So close to the beginning of the game, Refa voted me (we'll ignore the first via vote, that was still RVS) because of a statement I made were I said I didn't have any reads and was going to wait for more info. I realized that it was a mistake for me to say that and that it made me look scummy. Notice: mistake. Shortly after that, I realized that a player like Refa could easily make me out to be scum by following all of my posts and pointing out my mistakes (of which I was sure there would be more of), however, I didn't think it would be a good idea to say that at the moment because it seemed like the kind of excuse scum would make and I still trusted Refa at the time.
I don't really think this is a defense at all? Like, regardless of if Sully is town or scum, he obviously doesn't want to make mistakes, he's trying to make something NAI look like it has towncred, or at least that's what it looks like to me @SullyMcGully, clarify if I'm wrong. In general, he's pointing out his own scummy play with this series of posts, in some sort of attempt to AtE? Like, I don't get how that should affect the cases on him at all. Also this post I don't think BBM's feelings have been vague, linking to where you think they are vague would be good, but regardless you say that you agree it was a bad vote. Why then, do you have a problem with him scumreading you?
Shinori: A lot of people are taking his anger/reactionary style and morphing that into something with scum intent, which I don't think is valid at all. He's not really up for a lynch but I can see this being pushed in the future and wanted to throw my hat in the ring against it. I think there's more substance to his reads than Baldrick says in this post, as evidenced by his clarification of Bartozio and the Kirsche read people glossed over because it was just written in a way that was hard to find. If the scum intent is that his reads are weak, I'd disagree, if it's his tone, thats NAI and not worthy of a lynch.
Quote: not a main suspect but I have a gut townread on tone/meta, worth something I guess, liable to change if I can develop the rest of my reads past D1/my lynch.
I'd consolidate on Sully if I needed to (not that I have much of a choice since iirc the BBM wagon is slowing down? Votals are kind of jumbled in my head). My main scumread is coming in my next post.
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Not at all
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Just now, Refa said:
How does it feel to not be able to win with me?????
Hey man we just won resurgence, don't mess with the vibes now
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Sup y'all I got class in about seven hours so I'm gonna read tonight then sleep. Expect a good post with at least a few hours to go before phase end.
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but can I be Funky Student????
/sub
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If you are town and killed someone last night please talk to me
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