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why hold? as soon as I figure out which one of you and Makaze I want to spite more; I'll actively support the other in taking my territory. Leaning supporting Makaze right now because having him win despite your bragging would be hilarious, but he also betrayed me two or three times and you betrayed me once. Or I could just wait until you or Makaze backstab each other now that it's been established neither of you wants a draw. Or maybe Izhuark will realize that you're going to attack him sooner or later and stop being your lackey, but that seems unlikely.
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meh there's no point in dragging this on for pride I'll agree to a Proto/Makaze/Izhuark win. unless Proto didn't agree to my previous suggestion because he actually wants to win solely by himself, of course.
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To add onto this and what Alertcircuit said; it was a lot of the black Democrat superdelegates that switched when they saw Obama was viable. Sanders doesn't have an easy superdelegate grab like that.
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I imagined a lot of different ways this game could play out, but "playing it for two weeks longer than necessary because Proto wants to win this game with Makaze" was not one of them.
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Gilgamesh has the better interactions but the worse tone, and Blitz has the worse interactions but the better tone. I'm going to follow my gut on Blitz and go with this: ##Vote: Gilgamesh However I would really like Blitz to explain the reason for his change in read on Prims. I don't feel like he's explained it.
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the thing is that like my role doesn't really make a ton of sense and Elie's fake was "day gay visitor", which is even more of a functional vanilla than lylo mayor. Gilgamesh, why is Manix the least townie person and why is Prims the towniest person? I don't really see a reason for any of your reads.
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prims, why do you sound so demotivated? your posts sound too logical and not belligerent enough I think your point about a redirect might be it I guess? Even for solo Frey, Strawman was like the worst kill and the worst jan. He was a possible mislynch, had already claimed, and was townreading Frey.
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if it's 9/2/1 why don't scum have any protection from the SK?
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I'm guessing SB thinks it's 9/2/1. 9/2/1 has all the same problems as 8/2/2 though. Also, Frey having too many role portions seems even weirder if it's only a 2 person scumteam, considering how imbalanced the power distribution would be in the scumteam.
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well the Strawman kill had to be mafia unless both maf and SK have a jan, which would be dumb. The Strawman kill doesn't make a lot of sense at all really. That was one of the reasons I thought it might be multiball originally, because Frey is inexperienced and might make a weird choice like that. I looked at Strawman's scumreads to see if he got killed cuz his reads were too good. But he was townreading Frey, scumreading SB, and thought one of Prims/Manix was scum. I think Prims is the most likely to kill someone for their reads but not in that situation so idk.
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sigh, Refa is the person after Blitz with the worst scum interactions, but his tone is town and I don't see why he would back off Blitz in this situation. He's by far the easiest lynch, and whoever is left has to get 3 mislynches. That means that someone was likely hard bussing.
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ugh you know what I think we're just overthinking this. The Frey/Elie scumteam had no protection; if it was 8/2/2, a D1 scum lynch followed by a double scum crosskill could conceivably make it 8/1 on D2. And on the other side, if town doesn't lynch scum every single day, crosskilling is is practically a necessity for town to win. Mitsuki isn't Life, so I feel like she wouldn't design a game that way. I think 9/3 with a 1x vig of some kind is still most likely. The worst case scenario is D3 LYLO
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I thought I posted this earlier but apparently I didn't gg. I also am not really feeling Blitz anymore. On top of his posts here, I read his convo with Dorian and he doesn't seem as bad. I'm not really sure who to lynch. SB might be scum if this is multiball I guess because it feels like he's been coasting since the Elie flip. Also this might be kind of reactionary but I wasn't a fan of how he was like "BBM is null, not town" on D2. He wasn't really giving a reason for me being scum or anything; it felt more like he just didn't want to remove my lynch as a possibility, which is maybe like scum wanting to keep mislynches open. bleh this is why multiball sucks.
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Sorry I guess you didn't townread Elie, but you thought he was less scummy than SB so at the least you weren't scumreading him.
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You never contacted me... #forgotten I don't know if you ever contacted Dorian prior to his subbing out. Why does SB make sense as the scum vig? Why did you 180 so heavily on Prims from D2? You say his tone is townie but it was pretty much the same on D1. He was also on a scum wagon D1 but that wasn't enough to make you think he was town on D2. Also, SB was also on both scum wagons IIRC.
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why did you contact those people? it also seems weird that your first two contacts were both scum and yet you townread both of them
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I can't see why a republican would ever want to nominate Trump. The downside is so massive. Forget getting elected; if he even gets nominated and it ends up being a total disaster; that'll be a stain for years to come and your party will be fractured forever. If Cruz gets nominated, well, he won't win, but at least he'll just be a regular bad candidate.
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cut by Blitz uh, start with answering these questions: 1) who is scum 2) why are they scum 3) why didn't you contact every single player on D1 4) failing that, how did you not contact the remaining players on D2 5) what are the restrictions on your role
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It is a curious thing, Refa, but perhaps those who are best suited to power are those who have never sought it. MEH I guess I'll accept the reason for not townleading so I guess it comes down to him not doing anything all game vs the Frey interactions for me. Leaning scum, also because if Blitz isn't scum I don't know who else is. I don't know what to make of Gilgamesh but Cam seemed townie and you made a good point with the interactions. Manix is uh, idk. I want him to be scum so that my RVS guess goes 2/3 but I don't really feel it. He's had critical votes on both scum lynches. I didn't follow Kirby 2 but I guess the scumteam was rolling that game so hard they decided to play it on Hard Mode.
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well like why would scum kill Blitz if he's town considering he's having literally no impact on the game
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I'm willing to agree to a Proto/Izhuark win because I'm too lazy to draw this out. Not going to agree to Makaze.
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idk if I'm overthinking this thing with Blitz giving his reads to Frey but I just don't feel like that's a scumbuddy interaction? I also don't feel like that's a role someone would have in a 2-person scumteam if this is multiball; it would kind of leave the other guy alone in the thread. I guess it's plausible for SK? Did Blitz tell anyone if he had some restriction with how many people he could contact? I don't understand why he's not talking to everybody and I don't understand why he isn't trying to townlead.
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ugh the 2 kills N1 don't make sense if it's 9/3 with scum having a 1x vig, if there are mislynches D1 and D2, D3 is LYLO. Maybe it's 9/2/1 with an odd-night SK or something idk, or maybe the scumvig is like an avenger or something the Blitz/Frey interactions are weird. On one hand, Frey's read on Blitz seems like distancing, but I feel like Blitz wouldn't choose Frey to relay his reads on D2; it just seems kind of weird. Gilgamesh, why did you quickhammer Frey?
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well you guys can't negotiate a draw with each other while we're still in the game; if you want to negotiate a draw right now I'm willing to draw.
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I agree to end the game
