Makaze

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I think Lord Gaius is town because he Tracked me, which I can't see as a valuable move for scum when they know can hammer me already.

I'm willing to consolidate on NecroGhoulin for reasons already stated if no one really wants to lynch Eury. He's not looking to be very useful and his lack of initiative in figuring anything out is scummy. I don't want to ignore it just because he's new. He's not trying at all.

Enough conviction for me is pretty distinct. You have to be willing to make potentially flawed arguments. Gut must be involved. One of the markers of this is seeing scum intent behind their actions. I don't think Eury has been reading intent that much. At least she hasn't been addressing it. Most of her criticisms are about bad play rather than scummy play. She's reading me as scum because I'm acting strange -- not so much that I'm acting scummy. At least, those are her go-to reasons.

For what it's worth, I don't have the energy to argue with/quotewall Eury at my most active. Eury isn't the type to concede anything. I made a nearly identical argument against her in British mafia and she jumped down my throat for it then too. I don't consider telling me I'm wrong a town tell. It's a null tell. I think Eury's wallposting style is counter-productive. She posts a lot of content, every thought she has about anything in the game, and it's hard to tell where her reads lie on all but her top three or so reads at the end. She manages to find something bad on every player. I felt like I was pulling teeth getting her to say something like she had a practically null read on Poly. Even that was overly wordy and qualified into oblivion. While almost everything she posts is valid and well-reasoned, it doesn't tell me anything about her alignment. She could be soft casing all of her buddies and I wouldn't know, then she could just change it later when they posted something better. I called it fluff, as did Shin. That's because it reads like she's saying a lot while saying very little. Her wallposts are content based, not "is this person scum or not" based. The only way you can really read someone like her scum is by pure gut, her making a serious mistake, or clearing/condemning by some associative or informative means. Sometimes her reasons for suspecting people or not suspecting them are a little less reasoned than usual. They give off an even more fluffy vibe. I am definitely getting that in this game. I fully believe she would not act any different than she is now if she were scum. She might act different if she were town. That is what I believe. I have no intention of going through and quoting everything she says I don't she's convicted in because that will just result in more of the same not-really-content content that I'm talking about. It's a waste of time.

I didn't say her arguments were weak. I said her reads aren't convicted. As in she doesn't believe them. She can build a rock solid case as scum you know.

I don't know what to say other than I feel that Eury is not actually convicted in her reads. I feel like she's pushing lynches, not real scum reads. The emotions she's displayed are defensive. I'm not getting the feeling she really thinks I'm scum. Or that any of her scumreads are really scum. Therefore the word contrived. I'm as convinced she's scum as anyone, and that's why. Her actual reasoning may be good, or may not be -- that is irrelevant to my read. I think she is pushing where it's weak, not where it's right.

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The lost children are a spectacular mushroom cloud in the sky. The lost children are comrades to the little birds that have infiltrated these lands. Touching the sun-kissed lawn with their hands. They are trying to speak with you. Dreams bloom atop benches in the apartment complex. Hold your fate inside your heart. Quell your depression. Stretch your legs out towards tomorrow. Don't worry about things like tidal waves. The lost children are a spectacular mushroom cloud in the sky. The lost children are comrades to the little birds that have infiltrated these lands. The lost children are dreams grown atop benches in the apartment complex. The lost children are comrades born on the day of the light that filters through the tree.

It's more tasteful by my standards.

Assuming these are the recent points you meant. I didn't respond to her individual points beyond the one she was correct about because all she had to say was "that case isn't scummy at all", which is obviously subjective. I didn't stand to change her mind by elaborating my reads. They are gut reads. I also didn't stand to improve the case. I can only do that with more content. I can't get more content without casing with what little I have. Her defensiveness was so strong I could tell engaging with her would just result in her pummeling me over the same content and waste everyone's time. I'd rather talk with people who are not her about my case on her. I didn't intend for her to react that way but that's how it played out. She could have responded in a more level headed way, but she didn't. She took that little bit of condescension from me and turned it up to eleven. That means she either decided to escalate into a petty "yeah huh" "nuh uh" argument while assuming I was scum, which doesn't make sense to me as town, or she went into it knowing I'm not scum but had to think that way to sell it, which makes her scum. It's not like I had any control over the type of reaction she had. I barely know her. If she had responded in a way that seemed town-oriented to me then we'd see something completely different right now.

Sorry I was so wrong, Prims. Fell into the same trap that gets me lynched sometimes.

That was what I read between the lines. Null leaning anti-town, or, noncommital read that might change with one real content post from him. I found it odd you would suspect me so strongly but don't draw conclusions from his not hammering me. If you think I'm scum then it seems like a logical next step to suspect him? Is there something wrong with that theory?

Oops. My bad. Sorry.

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May as well hammer it then, but please get an answer from Eury about Poly.

Goat

It seems you're right. I missed the footnote and thought you dropped it since you didn't dedicate a paragraph to him. Sorry. Right now something that is is setting off alarms is how defensive you are. You're treating everything like it's a personal attack. Say they have bad reasons all you want, you're attacking people for having cases on you. Like I said in one of my first posts, scum tend to get especially upset when cased for bad reasons. More than town in the same situation. That's my experience. You don't have a rational reason to get this upset. Gut reads exist. Couple them with the causes and you get what can be called "irrational" cases. You know that. People don't always need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt to be convinced you're scum. Intuition is behind nearly everything I've done this game. What do you make of recent Poly content?

Or the last scum was too timid to draw attention to themselves. Which reminds me, what was with Poly? Why ask if you should hammer, be told you should, and then choose a No Lynch instead? Bad play as either alignment though.

I think it's obvious why I wasn't lynched yesterday. All of the scum had already voted for me.

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