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  1. 7 minutes ago, Sbuscoz said:

    Yes, it's lazy, it doesn't matter if the main games are like this, those are animations, and it's like that because they aren't going to do special animations for each weapon of each job of character in a game with +50 characters. I say that but I'm fine with having lesser characters be semi-clones, Draug, Kellam, Benny having the same moveset, or Cordelia, Sumia and the whitewings, etc. But important characters, or at least those with special weapons should be unique, I don't like Sakura having attacks from Takumi, they don't suit her, I don't like Leo having a generic mounted mage moveset and little brynhild, gravity, earth and trees should be the base of his movesets not something for differenciating him from his sister.

    I'd rather have more characters over less, I don't care if a few share a handful of animations. We've already seen that with Elise and Sakura having their own moves. Leo also has generic moves if equipped with any other Tome (granted, the casting animation is the same regardless), which you have been shown able to do in this game.

    It's only lazy if it was done out of laziness, I feel this was done more out of a desire to have a large roster like in Fire Emblem. 

    Would you call the main Fire Emblem series lazy due to characters sharing animations?

  2. 37 minutes ago, Saint_Stahn said:

    People keep bringing up that Koei tends to favor women in some of their Ips. But... I can't help but belive that people forget this is a NINTENDO game.

    Nintendo and intelligent systems have both put their input that influenced the final outcome of the roster to Koei. And even if Koei is pro waifu culture, there have been plenty of opportunities for Nintendo to pander to the waifu crowd ONLY.

    But they haven't.

    Ever since awakening, the polls have been separate for both men and women, even if there were more votes on women, the male characters were never snuffed in the grand scheme of things.

    Happened again in fates. Both genders, same attention. But the BIGGEST factor that Nintendo has been very careful with even representation was the CYL event.

    Tharja herself had more votes than Roy. By numbers only, Tharja was the 4th highest rated character, behind Ike's PoR version.

    Where's tharja's super sexy deluxe swimsuit waifu edition for CYL? Who knows, but Roy took priority cause he was the second most popular MALE from the franchise.

    So Roy gets a new costume, badass unit representation, and a commercial to boot! aaaand Tharja stays as rule34 fodder.

    The box leak for warriors is worrysome, but Navarre's appearance confirms more shadyness on the roster that at this point. I just can't doubt Nintendo at the end on this though.

    Think about it this way... giving the fans Lyn, is like giving Marvel vs Capcom fans Psylocke... but NOT Wolverine.

    Guys, Ike is Fire Emblem's Wolverine. If he isn't in, Nintendo really REALLY screwed the pooch. With all this tempest attention... as I said, stay hopeful but nothing set in stone. Just something to look forward to until TGS happens.

    Yeah..that's why I'm shocked to still not see Tharja given her popularity and it's not like we have too many on-foot mage (technically one due to both Robins essentially being one). I hope she'll be either a last minute reveal or early DLC.

    Good comparison..though considering Wolverine is out of Marvel vs Capcom Infinite's base game due to Fox issues..

  3. 1 hour ago, Tolvir said:

    I can definitely understand where that would be annoying, and definitely as lazy, but I think we have a bit of a different scenario here. Fire Emblem has never really had unique movesets for most characters. That is typically reserved for the Lord and maybe some villains. Even Xander and Ryoma used the default moveset of their class with a few exceptions. Fire Emblem has always put more emphasis on class movesets being what is unique, not the character. You could have 3 different sword wielders in Fire Emblem, but each of them has different animations, for example Swordmaster, Hero, and Master of Arms in Fates.

    So why not translate that over to Warriors as far as FE Warriors is concerned? Instead of each character getting their own unique moveset, cutting down a potential roster, why not have each character use a default moveset of the class they are, with slight variations between them? Not only would this open up possiblities for characters that stood no chance, but also allow for multiple of each type without really harming a roster. Instead of splitting a cast by X game, now you split it up by class. All your Paladins here, all your Heroes here, Swordmasters there, etc. Fire Emblem has always handed out multiples of a class in the past, as I said in the original post in Fates alone you have 3 mercenaries at base, with another 2 capable of going into the Hero class, making for an effective 5 heroes before looking at reclassing. How would this really be any different?

    Would that really be considered lazy from a development standpoint? Especially when you are looking at a character roster from each game that is enough to fuel 1 maybe even 2 Warriors games on their own?

    EDIT: To really clarify what my mean, what if a FE Warriors was set up like this. You have a base of 10 classes. Lets say Paladin, Fighter, Hero, Swordmaster, General, Archer, Sage, Thief, Wyvern Rider, Pegasus Knight. From there they develop about 5 characters for each subtype, which right there is technically a 50 character roster, but as far as development was concerned only 10 unique movesets were created. So in reality only 10 characters. Would that really be a bad design as much as a smart one that really allows for Koei to tap into the Fire Emblem roster?

    I thought about the same thing, honestly. Just slap on a few unique animations or attacks here or there and, bam, another character added to the roster without actually looking out of place considering characters always attack or move like other characters based on classes.

    This could also help with DLC in the future, have one or two unique movesets (Lords, new class) and a handful of clones per pack.

  4. 3 hours ago, Doof said:

    I'm glad its dead.

    I do wonder why the special edition only has 25 characters instead of the whole roster, though? Seems kind of weird that they would add a bonus with character pictures but not include all of them.

    It's possibly only story characters that get cards while others, such as fRobin, mCorrin, and maybe Lyn do not..or perhaps there will be more then 25 cards and that number was given to throw us off or was originally the intended number.

    For a more unlikely situation, they could also be double sided..whether this means 50 characters or some cards also having guest NPCs, areas, etc would be up for debate.

  5. 30 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

    We also have no evidence or confirmation that there will be more FE Amiibo made for this game though. So for right now, it's safe to assume RD Ike and his Amiibo would be in the game.

    RD Ike has a fight with the BK too though. It'd be just as easy to use that one instead.

    Yeah, but that design is still similar enough, whereas RD Ike is more different from his PoR self.

    Maybe, we'll end up seeing how it goes when Ike joins the game. Design of amiibo and design in-game have only matched when the amiibo unlocked Ike, or whatever character it's for..for example, in every Mario title bar Maker & Yoshi's Wooly World, WarioWare Wario & Dr. Mario were for default Wario and Mario. Then Hyrule Warriors used Smash Link, aka Twilight Princess Link, to unlock a Twilight Princess weapon, the Spinner. We could see similar use here with Smash Ike, aka Radiant Dawn Ike, unlocking that look for PoR Ike.

    Using PoR Ike over RD Ike yet using Smash Roy in Heroes is also odd and they could, like (seemingly) Heroes, opt to go with PoR Ike due to that one being the main character whereas RD Ike was not due to Micaiah and Sothe filling that role, appearing instead as an important side-character.

    I also don't feel the RD Black Knight fight is as iconic as PoR.

    Like I said, I think either design has a 50/50 chance of being used.

  6. 20 minutes ago, Motendra said:

    Thats precisely what I mean. He has his own animations to draw from, along with being a different class line all together. If he had to draw from anyone at all, a more fitting one would be a mercenary. Or, if they want to go the extra mile, Dread Fighters.

    Honestly, I'm betting that the main characters, the 'Lords', if you will, will have unique movesets.

  7. 1 minute ago, Motendra said:

    I'd rather he not be slapped onto Chrom's moveset purely for the fact he's one of few lords whose beginning class isn't "Lord"

    I think Alm would be Luigified by having a mixture of moves from Marth, Chrom, and others. I don't think class matters as much as how he fights in-game and in cutscenes. 

  8. 8 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

    Nah, the RD Ike Amiibo is already a thing, and ever since, RD Ike has been the model to get used when the Amiibo is used. Fates and Codename Steam both used RD Ike since that's the Ike that got the Amiibo. So it would make sense to continue that trend and not suddenly have PoR Ike pop out of nowhere. Heroes doesn't count since it's not using Amiibo.

    True, but it's not like there aren't characters with multiple amiibo figures such as Link & Zelda, Mario & Co, and Isabelle. With them starting this new Fire Emblem amiibo line, I can't see them leaving out characters like Ike, especially when it would allow those unable to get a Smash Ike amiibo a chance to get a FE Ike similar to the Mario Rosalina considering the scarcity of Smash Rosalinas.

    With Fire Emblem Warriors using amiibo, the only figures readily available for it will be Chrom, Tiki, and if people are lucky, mCorrin, Alm, & Celica. I could see them using this to release new figures for Marth & Ike and possibly Robin & Lucina, if possibly in a new pose. Ike seems likely to me if only due to having a different, and more popular, design.

    It's 50/50 which will appear by default since Smash & Heroes are both there to raise awareness of both designs.

    However, if they want to recreate the Black Knight fight from PoR in History Mode, it'll like end up being PoR Ike chosen..unless they pull a fRobin/mCorrin and have both designs by default.

  9. Semi-Clones I feel work best, a handful of different attacks, a few unique animations..essentially make them like Luigi is to Mario in Smash.

    1 hour ago, Motendra said:

    See now, the only thing about Alm possibly emulating Chrom being a no go is the simple fact that he's left handed. Otherwise, agreed

    They could flip the animations possibly.

  10. 45 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

    I just hope that the Ike used is RD Ike to match his Amiibo. I know he was the less popular of the two Ikes, but he was still pretty popular anyway and he's still Ike. I can also see him getting a PoR alt.

    I hope for the opposite honestly..if only due to the possibility of Ike getting his PoR class up costume and possibly a PoR Ike amiibo out of it.

    Maybe the Smash amiibo could unlock Ike's RD looks as skins.

  11. 11 hours ago, Lord-Zero said:

    Sorry but that's pretty impossible for me now. The "classic FE character" that was added was precisely the one I "hate" the most so I'll remain bitter. At least as DLC, I have the option of NOT getting her at all. That's better than having to see her face in the vanilla roster.

    To hate a character so much that even seeing them fills you with anger. I do not envy you. I don't even feel that way about Bowser Jr. and I HATE that lil shit..

    11 hours ago, Cute Chao said:

    If only there was a jiggly physics option with the option to tobe down the jiggle physics..

    You mean like in Tecmo Koei's other big series, Dead or Alive? That would be nice..have None to Extreme and all in-between.

    Note: this may not be worded exactly as you said it in the original post..I accidentally deleted some and can't do undo on my phone..

    11 hours ago, Anomalocaris said:

    I'll admit, I got a chuckle out of the sudden turnabout myself.

    I'm pretty apathetic-leaning-towards-disapproving in regard to jiggle physics but it's almost worth having it on Lyn just for the sudden shock when everybody noticed it.

    I at least like a little, personally, since none either looks weird to me or makes me think they're fake.

    10 hours ago, Ether said:

    To put it bluntly, the reaction to Lyn's announcement confuses me. For an Ike fan, a Hector fan, an Ephraim fan, etc, aside from those characters being announced directly, Lyn being revealed is literally the best thing you could have hoped for. Lyn being in the game sets a precedent that Warriors is explicitly NOT only SD/Fates/Awakening, just that those games are the main focus. This is massive, it means that a popular enough character can be in the game, possibly even the base game, even if they aren't from those games, something that by this point seemed like a pipe dream at best.

    Let's say that, before now, Ike(as an example) had a 5% chance of being in the game. He's popular, he's well known, but the game is clearly focusing on the Big 3 games. He could force his way in with brute force, but there's no logical reason to think that would happen. Better to save him for FE warriors 2 - Elibe/Tellius edition, let him be the big focus of his own game, rather than shoehorned into this one. I'll even be generous and say that Ike being storyless DLC fanservice bumped his chances to 10%, but this is an overstatement.

    But now? Lyn is in the game, we know, for a FACT that non-SD/3DS characters are options. Aside from Lyn, Ike is the most popular of them all. His chances are a hell of a lot better than our 10% from earlier, let's be modest and and say... 60% chance of being in the base game, 80-90% of being in if we include DLC.

    Well damn, that's a jump. And before BUT IKE WASN'T ON THE LEAK, neither was Navarre, and we're still missing the armour knight they've said in interviews will be in the game. The leak seems unlikely to be the final roster, even if all of the characters on said leak end up being in the game. 

    As for Lyn being base game and Ike being DLC, as I've seen mentioned, there are a few possibilities. First off, Ike might be in the base game and just not revealed yet, in which case it's just paranoia, or there's also the possibility that Lyn and Ike were both intended to be DLC, but Lyn was made first and they happened to get her model enough along to fit her into final bugtesting and just put her in the game at base as a sign of good will.

    As for the people complaining about the PR for this game, it's always been dicey. What did you expect at this point, really? 

    Okay, that's my rant over, for now. 

    I feel the same way.

    10 hours ago, FoxyGrandpa said:

    Honestly, the leak sort of ruined my hype for this, but I'm still happy to see Lyn in the game. While I would have much rather seen Hector or Eliwood, Its understandable why they chose lyn (first character many players saw when they started playing fire emblem on GBA).

    I'm crossing my fingers that Shadow Dragon didn't get extremely shafted. If recent leaks are anything to go by, then the fact that Navarre is in the game is a good sign.

    While Lyn is by and far my fave in FE GBA, I do hope for Hector too, at least as DLC. I doubt Eliwood will get in though, only because of Roy looking near identical to him. Maybe Eliwood could be a fRobin/Smash style skin alt for Roy though.

    9 hours ago, Anacybele said:

    I think we're kinda getting off topic tho. I just hope Lyn's inclusion here really does mean Ike has a high chance of being in the base game too, instead of the opposite like I've been fearing.

    I'd say it does. Before Lyn was announced, I was fearing a mention I heard about them wanting to wait until a sequel to include anyone not from SD, Awakening, or Fates, even as DLC. Now with Lyn in, it gives me more hope at seeing Ike, Roy, Hector, and maybe even the Sacred Twins. I'm still worried about Tharja for now though lol.

    Slight change of subject, which version of Ike would you like to see appear? Path of Radiance or Radiant Dawn? While I don't have a preference over either base design, I want PoR Ike simply because I want his Upgrade Class design playable (it's my fave male FE design..even if I can't recall it's name other then knowing it's not 'Great Lord').

    9 hours ago, omegaxis1 said:

    When fanservice has girls with boobs, jiggle is a must. Though why would Lyn be subject to that? Everyone knows her main appeal has always been her legs. Come on, girls aren't all about boobs.

    Which is why I was thrown when Lyn's render had such short legs..Hopefully it's just a case like Brawl Capt. Falcon where the render has oddly short legs but normal ones in-game. 

    8 hours ago, Michelaar said:

    Angry. I find Lyn boring, but she got in. Not only that, SD only has 3 character s. Awful.

    As was said, Navarre was leaked by Nintendo of Europe..so the box art leak does not have all of the remaining characters.

    7 hours ago, ChickenBits said:

    I just realized something, my little heart will break if Caeda doesn't have the Wing Spear. Although three lance users who are peg knights doesn't exactly shout balance. BUT with the sheer amount of swords balance doesn't really matter anymore ?.

    Maybe she'll be able to use both since we can equip different weapons.

    7 hours ago, L9999 said:

    Call me crazy, but it would be more interesting to see CLY Lyn copypasted into this game instead of yet another foot swordfighter. What's with this fetish with swordfighters? 

    As I said above, maybe characters can equip other weapons too.

    That said, FE has always had a sword fetish..most games with weapons do. Most important characters in FE weild swords, just how it is.

    22 minutes ago, Lau said:

    I do have to wonder why they showed off Lyn before any SD characters bar Marth...

    She'd have made a nice little surprise if they hadn't shown her off at all.

    Probably because this Direct was for North America and Europe as well and Lyn is more well known in those regions then most of Shadow Dragon's cast. Due to being Japan centric, and having Marth's seiyuu there, TGS will probably reveal the bulk of or all of Shadow Dragon's characters..perhaps even the final base game characters period..unless they choose to do a Fire Emblem Warriors Direct shortly before the Japanese release.

  12. Just now, Anacybele said:

    Nope, Ike's combined vote total topped everyone's, including Lyn's. The only problem is that we don't know how many people voted for both Ikes. I know I threw some votes at both.

    Hmm..my recollection may be faulty then..regardless, that could mean he's actually more likely to appear in FE Warriors.

    I'm just happy to finally play as Lyn since she's a fav of mine and was only an Assist Trophy in both of the last Smash Bros. titles

  13. Ugh..I was hoping seeing a Classic FE character not from the three named would cheer people up..but nope..more salt..what is wrong with this fanbase? Always so negative about everything..

    2 hours ago, Anacybele said:

    I'm fucking pissed.

    This implies the leak is real, and that means we won't get Ike who is surely more popular and would've brought a more unique moveset.

    This also makes me like Lyn less than I already did. And I disliked her before this. I dislike Elibe a lot too.

    I'm sorry, but this is honestly how I feel. Nothing against Lyn fans, I just think Ike fans just got slapped in the face really hard.

    Actually, if we base popularity on the CYL Polls, didn't all 4 top females get more votes alone then both Ikes combined? That may be why Lyn is in rather then Ike..so far. Regardless, I'm positive Ike (and Roy) will appear. Rather in base game or DLC, I don't know, but I'm sure he'll appear in the same way I'm sure Tharja will appear.

    2 hours ago, Etrurian emperor said:

    I don't understand why they even mentioned SD being a main entree. If they said it was just Awakening and Fates with some other characters mixed in they could avoided so openly alienating yet another part of the Fanbase. Dismissing most veterans from the start is already quite bad but pretending that a part of the fanbase is getting catered to and then yanking it away from them is even worse. 

    Probably because of Marth..and it's likely SD will still have more characters then Lyn, who is probably a one off for her game.

    1 hour ago, Lord-Zero said:

    So that brings SD to 3 characters: Marth, Navarre and Caeda. They better give us Draug and Jagen at this point. 

     

    @ Zangetsu: Great, now we have to deal with extra smugness from many Lyn fans. I'd be okay if she was DLC but that doesn't seem to be the case so I'll remain forever salty, disgusted and bitter.  I was fine with the roster as it was before Lyn was confirmed. 

    Sounds like you need to not take things so hard/seriously. If she's okay as DLC then she's okay for base. Point is that, regardless of how it happened, she appears in the game.

  14. On 9/10/2017 at 10:28 AM, Corbin said:

    So it's confirmed that Chrom has a Bond Conversation with Cordelia, so I assume that means each character will have at least four Bonds (with at least two with characters from each of the other games). Also the fact that Cordelia is the sole Pegasus Knight representative for Awakening likely means classes that are present in all three games will have one representative each while classes that are unique to only one or two games will feature multiple representatives, like how Awakening has two Lords (Now that I think about it, that does explain why Lucina was almost cut). So while that may kill some characters' chances (Beruka is the first that comes to mind), it does raise the chances of others.

    I think they confirmed that everyone has support conversations with one another.

  15. Just now, phineas81707 said:

    I meant that with all the sarcasm I could muster, which led into my point about the 3DS version only really doing harm to the game's marketing.

    EDIT: It was either sarcasm or a rhetorical question. I was never good at identifying narrative tricks.

    Ah, neither are easily shown to text anyway.

  16. 13 hours ago, Baron the Shining Blade said:

    By the way...

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    Does anyone else feel the official art used for Chrom and Tiki amiibo are just placeholders? I'm guessing they will change it to match their already-nigh-idential Warriors artwork after Tiki is revealed. Otherwise it seems a little weird to me to see Tiki's Shadow Dragon artwork not matching up with her amiibo (same with Chrom's. I can tell it's his Awakening art, but at least the figure's in the same pose.)

    Glad I'm not the only one to notice this. If this box art is final, Tiki will be the first amiibo to have a different pose from her artwork (not counting the Shovel Knight amiibo not officially made by Nintendo but licensed by them). I mean, they even altered Waluigi's box render art to not have him pulling on his mustache to match his figure not doing so.

    12 hours ago, FiyaaEmburem said:

    well look at Hyrule Warriors the game started 3 games as well but final roster is pretty big so you cant be so sure about it.

    They meant the base game, as in before DLC.

    10 hours ago, EricaofRenais said:

    The reason why I will be mad is because it was stated by IS that SD, Awakening and Fates were the three games that would be in the main game and that was it.  This "leak" is saying that only three SD characters will be in the game Marth, Tiki and Ceada, if that is true I will be very mad because SD should get the same number of reps as Awakening and Fates. 

    It honestly likely won't get as many as either..but I still hope for more then 3 myself.

    5 hours ago, Lau said:

    By the way...upon a quick search, the UK Mario + Rabbids bundle that comes with an amiibo doesn't have the amiibo logo.

    Is that the same SE as NA? If so, that wasn't an amiibo, just a statue of Rabbid Mario..game does still use amiibo though.

    2 hours ago, phineas81707 said:

    What did Hyrule Warriors not have enough of? Wind Waker and 2D characters. When were these introduced? The 3DS version. Hey, do you think the 3DS version of this game is going to be an enhanced port? The 3DS version has probably done more harm to the game's reputation, and we haven't even seen much of it.

    They already confirmed that aside from graphics/etc and lacking co-op, the New Nintendo 3DS version will be identical so it kinda makes sense to focus on the superior version..but yeah, at least some more screenshots would be nice.

    33 minutes ago, Timeman said:

    Female Robin and Male Corrin are alts. They have no reasons to be in the box art. Technically they're clones, no alts. However, it's still not sure due the lack of proper information about this, so they could really be alts... This point is not favorable or unfavorable for the box art status because we still don't have an official confirmation of what are they apart of having the exact same moveset.

    Technically the jury's still out on that one. According to the interview I'll link below, you can unlock a 'feature' that will allow you to choose female Robin (and likely male Corrin). This could mean a separate character, but since they specify that they instructed their voice actors to consider both male and female while speaking it could lean towards alternate costumes instead since they otherwise likely wouldn't have had to do that. 

    http://nintendoeverything.com/fire-emblem-warriors-devs-on-female-robin-cordelia-pegasus-knights-gameplay-including-fire-emblem-elements-more/

  17. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a 'Smash Pack' featuring the remaining characters that appear in Super Smash Bros. namely Roy, Ike, and Lyn (not playable, but she is an assist trophy in both Brawl and 3DS/Wii U).

    If not in the base game, Tharja is practically a given..only question would be if she would be paid like Twili Midna or free like Medli.

    I could equally see other games' characters as DLC or sticking to those three since they all have more great characters, like Setsuna, Oboro, Arthur and Soleil for Fates, Cherche, Sully, Panne, and Adult Tiki for Awakening, and I can't really choose yet for Shadow Dragon/Mystery of the Emblem.

  18. I'm of the belief that Validar is an NPC, existing mostly as a unique NPC Generic Mage skin, akin to what other titles in the Dynasty Warriors series have done.

    Were he not I think he would have been confirmed as playable like every other character has been thus far.

    Also, as was said many times, all of Hyrule Warriors villains, except Ganondorf, weren't originally meant to be playable until fan demand/interest made them change their minds. I don't think a lot of people are that interestedin playing as Validar.

    I'm not particularly interested in playing any of Fire Emblem's villains honestly, outside of Aversa due to her design and Garon due to his moveset potential if parts of his boss fights were implemented into his moveset.

  19. Hmm..I wonder if History Mode will be why they shown male Corrin aligned with Birthright and female Corrin aligned with Conquest. By which I mean I wonder if male Corrin will be used for Birthright maps and female with Conquest maps.

    Though I honestly hope they just use fCorrin or let us choose which gender is used for Corrin and Robin.

  20. Just now, Anomalocaris said:

    Man, I would love that. Like, say, we get a Gaiden/SoV pack and in addition to new characters, it adds some History Mode maps based on things like the Emperor Rudolf fight, Berkut's battle at the border, or the final battle with Duma.

    It'd definitely blow Hyrule Warriors' Adventure Maps out of the water.

    I only hope they don't start including more level caps unless there's another exploitable glitch like in Wii U Hyrule Warriors. 

  21. 23 hours ago, Emperor Hardin said:

    I might be alone in this, but I'd love it if a lot of characters were playable in the skin manner. It'd expand the roster a bit too.

    I've wanted that since the beginning. It could help DLC too, like Florina as a skin-clone of Hinoka or Cordelia with her own unique animations in some cases.

    I wonder if it'll be History Mode expanded on by DLC like Adventure Mode..like adding Maps and Scenarios from the likes of Binding Blade, Blazing Blade, and Path of Radiance. 

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