Deva Ashera
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Just now, Arthur97 said:
I...eh, whatever. I would go Azura, but Fates isn't exactly near and dear to my heart so whatever.
I'm not arguing with you or saying who should be put in over who, all I'm saying is that Tecmo Koei and Nintendo used a non-important character before with Agitha in Hyrule Warriors so the possibility is there for anyone to really make it in. Probability is just a case of who is more likely then who.
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Just now, Arthur97 said:
True, but they still put Midna and Zant.
I know, and we already have story relevant characters from Fates in fCorrin, Xander, and Ryoma..and likely at least Camilla and Takumi. They'll likely put in a few non-important characters as well to avoid the Fates crew being Royals only (which Azura counts as)
Regardless, I like them both, though my preference does go towards Oboro.
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4 hours ago, Arthur97 said:
Except Azura has plot relevance.
True, but they put Agitha from Twilight Princess in Hyrule Warriors and she was completely optional to even meet.
Not saying you don't make a good point, just saying.
3 hours ago, Zepler said:I have no idea who is next on the roster, but I just don't think I'll get the game. I can't play First-Person games anyway.
This game is 3rd Person, like a lot of games (Zelda, Kingdom Hearts, etc) not first person like Halo, Call of Duty, etc.
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I think following Hyrule Warriors style would be the best course of action. Focus on three games, add a few more later as DLC, then a bigger DLC expansion or sequel to bring in more.
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Just now, Anomalocaris said:
Bond conversations are the big unknown here, yes, and we'll have to wait and see what they do with it.
If they were separate characters, that would pretty much guarantee they each have their own sets of bond conversations, so that would be a point in favor of them being separate characters. That being said, sharing a slot wouldn't necessarily guarantee the opposite. If they're willing to go through the effort of getting a voice actor to record all sorts of dialogue for female Robin (and male Corrin), they might be willing to go the extra mile and give them their own separate bond conversations as well (or at least do male and female versions of the same conversation).
I thought that too, honestly. Tecmo Koei may consider fRobin/mCorrin their own characters even if they share slots, levels, upgrades, etc.
Alternatively, it may be possible that non-story or DLC characters don't get bond supports all..particularly likely for DLC characters..I mean, we know that some villains will be playable, they may not get supports at all dye to not making sense.
That said, I'd love to see supports between the two Robins and Corrins.
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I wouldn't mind fRobin having her own slot if she still shares levels, upgrades, etc with mRobin..in fact I'd prefer it that way.
I also just thought of how annoying it would be to have to upgrade (add new combos, no flinch for X number of strikes, elemental resistances, etc) like in Hyrule Warriors' Bazaar two identical characters..that could potentially be even more annoying then level grinding depending on the materials needed.
Since bond conversations are separate from battle, by which I mean they happen after you've already completed the mission, they may feature only mRobin regardless..any non-story or DLC characters may not even get any at all..
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Since Marth is already in, I'll say the following..
Tiki
Caeda
Draug
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1 hour ago, Arthur97 said:
The hornets nest already is stirred, and will be stirred again; it is inevitable. Honestly, how many people are really going to be put off? If they were going to complete it, one clone isn't going to stand in their way. It's a mild inconvenience at worse, and frankly, I'm tired of everyone's rotten attitudes during the buildup to this game and how everyone hates almost everything they do. If you don't like it, that's fine, but just stop insisting it's an absolutely terrible thing to do.
If there's one clone there will likely be more, such as male Corrin.
Let's try something different then. Many of us have explained why we feel FRobin being a separate clone character instead of alt would be a terrible idea. Why don't you explain what possible ways it would be a good idea because, frankly, there aren't any I could think of at all outside of a cosmetic change to the Character Select Screen since gameplay-wise having her as a clone or alt would function identically outside of having separate levels.
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2 hours ago, Arthur97 said:
If it were down to alts, I would almost always use male Robin if not always. And it will help with the grind somewhat at the least; it would just about have to. As for adding to it, why not? How many people actually finish these games 100%? Besides, they will almost certainly start her out with low level missions so you're still getting stuff done during the grind.
You do realize that ALL characters end up with low, mid, and high level exclusive missions in Hyrule Warriors' Adventure Modes.
What if I HAVE to do a Male Robin exclusive mission to get to where I want to go but I rarely ever want to use him so he's severely under leveled for the mission? Then I get screwed over for preferring to use the identical character I like more when having an alt would easily solve that hassle.
It's not even about 100%..with how you talk about this I get the feeling you've never played a Warriors title..or at least not for very long..
I mean, heck, I was FOR the clones in Smash U/3DS getting their own slots yet I'm wanting fRobin, who I greatly prefer to mRobin, to be an alt skin..shouldn't that say something about how tedious having them separate will be?
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38 minutes ago, Arthur97 said:
Because I want them separate. Besides, the mechanics of this one seems like it will take the edge off of grinding and if the moveset is fun, then who cares. Plus, this is a warriors game, tedious is the name of the game anyways.
I don't think just having a party system will make it less tedious.
Tedium may be the name of the game, as you say, but why add to it?
Beyond that, if Female Robin is an alt then you could use her instead of Male Robin on any 'Robin Only' missions that will pop up in whatever this game's Adventure Mode analog will be.
I'll be honest, if they are identical then all that having them separate accomplishes is giving them a spot on the CSS and their own Levels/Stat Growth. Not worth it in my opinion otherwise I'd hope for separate. Why force people to level grind identical characters? It's a poor design decision as it promotes tedium rather then fun.
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On 8/5/2017 at 2:43 PM, Arthur97 said:
I can deal with an alt since they recognized her with her own page. That said, it looks like she is separate.
We'll see. She may have a page on the site due to technically being an individual character and promotional reasons.
While moveset clones are fine for fighters, it would seem more lazy in a Warriors title I feel, as such if she's like Toon Link to Link in Hyrule Warriors, great, love it, but if she's a straight clone then I'd have preferred her be an alt..I am not level grinding two Robins regardless of how it's done..that's far too tedious..
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I'd love too see non-SD/Awakening/Fates characters in the base game, but I very much doubt it.
At best they could be free DLC akin to Medli in Hyrule Warriors Legends but will likely be paid dlc.
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17 hours ago, Arthur97 said:
All good points. Really, the grind can be helped by just putting her on your team while you do other stuff. Will it be as effective? Almost certainly not, but it's not bad for doing nothing.
Edit: Looking at the picture file names also shows that female Robin is listed as chara12. Maybe it means nothing, but it does further imply character.
It would still take extra time and be an annoying ordeal over all.
If she's not part of the story there's no reason to not have her as an alternate costume with her own unique voice, quotes, etc..especially since she likely shares the exact same moveset. Even an alt skin might as well be it's own character, just reusing a moveset and animations, like the Koopalings in Smash. Being an alt doesn't make her any less of her own character and, infact, I'd hope to see more to maximize the roster without having a massive CSS.
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I've been wanting Alt Characters from the get-go to help add more characters..for example, Florina or Hinoka as an alt for Cordelia..just change the voice, entrance, victory, and perhaps a few animation poses a bit.
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9 hours ago, NeonZ said:
If you played with Dark Link, Proxi's portrait on the bottom of the screen still would use the standard HW Link, and although Dark Link would appear for in-game cutscenes, he'd be replaced by HW Link for the CGs. So, the presentation was rather inconsistent. For another example, in Pirate Warriors 3, they added a costume for a character called Tashigi based on a body swap incident from the series. The costume is actually meant to be someone else (Smoker) in her body, but because it is just a costume, it keeps her voice actress unchanged.
Koei has never locked specific costumes from modes like that, or added voice changes to them. I think if they were adding some new "tier" of costumes with special features they'd have highlighted it in that way, rather than presenting it as a character that can't be used in the story. Either way, the only (confirmed) difference between Female Robin being a clone character or some special costume is that if Female Robin is a character she'll need to gain levels by herself, rather than sharing them with male Robin.
This is a lot different though. Unlike Tashigi or Dark Link, female Robin is a different gender physically and mentally from male Robin so naturally they would go a little above to accommodate that change. For all we know it could have been a demand from Intelligent Systems.
Pretty much, yeah. That is the only reason I'd rather fRobin be an alternate costume...I do not want to spend days leveling up two nearly identical characters.
That said, if Tecmo Koei manages to do another Link/Toon Link scenario where they both have unique movesets, I'd be more okay with it.
53 minutes ago, Arthur97 said:Clones don't take up slots. Did no one pay attention to Smash?
You're not incorrect..but as was stated, Warriors games still have you level up characters...which, without a glitch like in Hyrule Warriors, can take forever..especially if they end up upping the level cap over and over again..
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6 hours ago, Dandee Leone said:
Yes, but my demands are minor. I am not asking for the whole worlds of Tellius, Elibe, and Valentia to be represented. I am simply asking for one of those 4 characters. if NONE of them make it in, then to call this game "Fire Emblem" Warriors is a ridiculous, especially wen you can't even get the most popular character who also has an amiibo in the game.
Your demands aren't that minor..especially when they are already unlikely.
Sorry to say, but that's just how they had to do this game to keep it diverse enough. If even only Ike appeared we'd then have people ticked that other PoR/RD characters weren't included. It's easier to make a diverse roster if the pick from a smaller pool of titles and, sorry to say, Awakening and Fates are the most popular and recent while Shadow Dragon is a must due to having to include Marth.
Chances are this will be EXACTLY like Hyrule Warriors. It will initially feature only OCs and characters from the three most popular or logical titles and then expand to include more titles via DLC. I see us getting Ike, Roy, Lyn, and Hector personally, with Ephraim & Eirika as possibilities as well.
I know how you feel though. I've loved Fire Emblem since seeing Marth & Roy in Super Smash Bros. Melee and Lyn, Eirika, Florina, Hector, Nephenee, and Mia are still some of my top favorite characters. That said, even with only this smaller selection of titles, I still love some of the characters revealed and some I hope to see, like Tharja and Camilla.
4 hours ago, NeonZ said:She reuses male Robin's battle cutscenes based on those shots, so she has to be a costume or complete clone. The confirmation that she can't be used in story mode once again pushes me toward complete clone though. They had no issues with allowing the player to use Dark Link in HW's story mode even though it made no sense storywise, so I'm not sure they'd draw a line here. Complete clone, but still separate character, also would make a lot of sense if bond conversations aren't limited to story mode.
The difference here is mostly down to voice acting since Link's voice from Dark Link is 'fine' while mRobin's from fRobin may not be. Not to mention Link having Dark Link as an alt costume is nothing new, it was even in Breath of the Wild now.
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14 minutes ago, Tsak said:
in smash they take no time to make, sure. If its an actual clone it wouldn't be a big deal.
But if its a new character as in different move set and all, that's sad times cuz we could of been getting more characters.
It just doesn't fit their narrative of oh there is too many sword lords, yet they're perfectly fine with making character swaps of stuff. We aren't even close all character revealed and we're already seeing swaps. If we get like 20 characters, 2 clones looks pretty big.Yeah, which is precisely why I'm 80% sure fRobin's just a costume swap for mRobin.
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10 minutes ago, Tsak said:
Well could of had someone cool like Ephraim or even Ike
but i guess gender opposite clones of characters we already had is cool too
i'd be pretty bummed out if we don't get more obscure characters from fates/awakening because they spent development time on Female Robin too.As much as I love both those characters, no we couldn't have..we know it's only Shadow Dragon, Awakening, and Fates..they wouldn't be unlikely as DLC though.
Pretty sure fRobin's just a costume swap for mRobin like in Super Smash Bros, so not really a 'clone'. As Sakurai said in regards to Smash, clones and alt costumes take almost no time to make. For both is just a new character model and for clones it's just a minorly tweaked moveset. No character would have even been 1/5th of the way done in that time..so even if she's not just a costume, she wouldn't have taken anyone's 'slot'.
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On 7/31/2017 at 9:38 AM, BlizzardWolf95 said:
In Fates, the default f!Corrin is the shorter, kid one. When has a default anything ever been option 2? Taller f!Corrin was used in Smash, I assume because they wanted to remove the height discrepancy between the smaller f!Corrin and m!Corrin. The taller option is just used now because of familiarity.
I'd have to disagree. Unlike Robin, Corrin had a default design for male and female since the conceptual stages of development. 2nd Body Type Default Corrin is the one used in all of the original concept artwork for Fire Emblem Fates (even when their hair was originally black by default with more black in their outfits as well), their official artwork (used as the basis for their renders in Smash and Warriors), the box art for Conquest and Special Edition, and various Cipher cards..all released prior to their debut in Super Smash Bros. The younger and more mature designs for either Corrin haven't been used for anything.
The only reason the kid-like design is default #1 is due to it being more logical to go Youth->Teen->Adult rather then Teen->Youth->Adult or Teen->Adult->Youth.
As such, simple deduction points to the designs on the box, in Smash, Heroes, Warriors, and the Cipher cards being the confirmed default designs.
Based on them next to each other on the box, I don't think there is a height discrepancy at all.
On 7/31/2017 at 11:50 AM, Arthur97 said:Yeah, I didn't even know that wasn't her default.
As I explain above, I'm pretty sure it still is her default.
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Anyone else hoping this means we'll finally get a female Robin amiibo figure?
1 hour ago, Arthur97 said:I can see where you're coming from that they would only really care about the big picure, but as someone who's looked into this probably more than I should, there's more to them. Kind of like twins who were raised together and finish each other's sentences. It's the nuance which makes the difference. Shame they probably won't pay much attention to their extended personalities. That said, the manner of this reveal suggests she may play a story role which could be interesting. Robin vs. Robin would be pretty great I admit.
I wouldn't be opposed to both featured in the story, but with how f Robin features her with the same weapons and a near identical screenshot for m Robin, I really think she's an alt costume that will take male Robin's spot in cutscenes if she is selected.
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17 minutes ago, Anacybele said:
Pretty much this. I want to stick with just the female Avatars.
And fine if you like those aesthetics, but would you really go into BATTLE dressed like that?
I would..but I care more about aesthetics then function..so I'm kind of an idiot lol
14 minutes ago, omegaxis1 said:I can understand if there's an appeal or such, but the issue here is that they're fighting a WAR. Real battles, where they can die. And rather than be geared up for protection in mind, we have girls that leave themselves exposed. It's highly unconventional and downright unlikely. Furthermore, the mounted units, yeah, it's impossible for one to have their legs exposed. In fact, you need to put more down there if anything.
That's part of the suspension of disbelief you have to afford video games, anime, etc..kinda like how most versions of Link or Mario aren't really dressed for battle either.
It's not really like having a thin cloth over calves would protect much anyway, so it's irrelevant and down to a character's seeming personal preference and culture..and that just kinda seems to be Nohr's female clothing/armor from a cultural standpoint since Hoshidan units didn't dress like that.
10 minutes ago, Arthur97 said:Um, all of the second gen supports are different between them, and when that's the primary means of building character, that means a lot.
I never said they weren't similar, but if they were the exact same person, they would act the same and generally say the same thing all the time, but they don't.
I did say outside of Support Conversations. In the MAIN story they have the same personality, views, etc and that will be what Tecmo Koei pulls from for both Robins (and Corrins) most likely, even in the new supports for Warriors. I don't any lines will be that different outside of pronouns so their minor differences don't matter, exactly like in Smash Bros.
In the game's main story, they DO act exactly the same. A few words or phrases may change slightly but their actions are ultimately identical in the grand scheme of things.
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4 hours ago, Arthur97 said:
Not exactly the same person.
As far as the main story of Awakening was concerned, they were. They had the same general personality, views, etc regardless of gender. The only change occurred during some support conversations. Fire Emblem Warriors likely will not reference their personality differences at all, even in support conversations, having everything identical except for pronouns used regarding them. Then it's down purely to choice.
As another reason I hope it's just gender alts, I REALLY don't want to level up what is essentially the same character twice..I also do not want to have to play male Robin (or Corrin) at all if I do not have to.
In addition, Hyrule Warriors had different incarnations of Link & Zelda as alternate costumes and they were much more different from one another then the two Robins or Corrins are, particularly the Zeldas.
13 minutes ago, Anacybele said:Yeah, Camilla fights in a bikini too. I hate these character designs. I'm not against fanservice as a whole, I only hate it when it's done this way. Forced and in your face and being prioritized over good design and quality.
I'm fine with female Corrin's design, but not her Nohr promotion. She ends up in a bikini with boobs flaunted around too.
I honestly love those designs myself and would adore dressing in such outfits. Even disregarding the fanservicy/revealing designs, I just like the aesthetic.
Granted, I'm also a lesbian, so I like sexy (and cute) women too.
I do hope we get to choose if Corrin goes Nohr Noble or Hoshido Noble though (and possible use either as a costume option later on)
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On 7/13/2017 at 4:45 PM, Zangetsu said:
Wonder how the Zelda community felt about that one? Wouldn't exactly be surprise if that went negatively with them.
As someone that lurked about different forums during Hyrule Warriors hype, I can tell you that it was seen more as a minor annoyance then anything mainly down to a few reasons..
1) Pre-OoT Zelda titles didn't have that many memorable characters. Zelda II had Dark/Shadow Link..a literal clone..who kinda got in, LttP had Agahnim, LA had Marin (who got in later). Worth noting some wanted Old Man from Zelda 1 as a joke character.
2) OoT and TP were very popular games while SS at least had a few great characters like Ghirahim and Groose.
3) Other games like WW, Oracles, etc had a drastically different arts type then those three games and the OCs which all used more or less the same OoT artstyle..not that it mattered in the end.
Suffice it to say it's simply down to Zelda having less memorable characters then Fire Emblem..which is only natural given the style of the games and their stories.
I still fully expect more game representation via DLC, particularly Blazing Blade, Binding Blade, Path of Radiance/RD, and Shadow of Valentia.
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1 hour ago, Slumber said:
This game is looking more and more like a hard pass as more info and interviews come out.
Why's that? Is it purely from not liking Awakening, Fates, or Shadow Dragon?
I only ask because the rest sounds interesting or common fare for Warriors titles.
Cordelia Gameplay Trailer
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Mario is a platformer, Fire Emblem is Strategy RPG, Pokémon and Persona are RPGs.
Warriors games are Beat Em Up Action games.
I can understand though, everyone has games they aren't good at..like I'm not good at Shooters or Puzzle games.
Hopefully you be able to at least try Fire Emblem Warriors sometime to see if you like it. Everyone has that one off exception, like I'm good at Metroid Prime 1-3 on Wii.