Vhaltz

oh wait you may have been half right if you guessed what I think you guessed, idk

lol you probably don't

it's a ~~*secret*~~ I'm not a PGO because I would've CC'd eclipse/Cam ages ago so don't worry also you might as well do it if you're not doing anything with your action anyways, if you don't want to do it it's fine but it'd be really dumb

lmao why did I see this coming target me with your role tonight, it's impossible for scum to have rolecopped me so there's no way you can fabricate results.

Poly who did you target N2?

Isn't shin like traveling or something? Also Blitz can you clarify the QT circumstances wrt the infiltrator hint in the pm? Like who brought it up first, and what the other PMs say wrt who has the knife or whatever. Xin's PM said she was the eldest and one of the younger ones had the knife, what did the others say? (paraphrasing obviously, don't quote anything)

I kinda feel the same wrt Poly because I feel like I'm arguing with a brick wall and Poly isn't helping his case by ragequitting =/ I'm pretty certain Proto is the most likely Cam buddy because his defense of him was pretty awful and came out of nowhere, like I said earlier it felt like he was dismissing Cam more as an excuse to focus on Poly than as an actual read (this is actually the same thing you're mentioning in your post you dolt). If not Proto then Prims because I feel like he wouldn't be this thick-headed about lynching mafia before ITP since they're all scum anyways, but I haven't really looked back at other people's interactions with Cam because I wanna get the flip first. Refa you should vote Cam with me.

I already did here. Weapons clearly gave off the message that Cam wasn't a "good replacement" so it's just as likely that he decided to bus a buddy that he didn't think was going to last long. I don't like how you're PoEing Shin/Poly/Proto as scum and treating Cam as clear based only on his interactions with Weapons and ignoring the rest of his play, you're doing the same "catching scum through interactions is easier" crap that I did in ITTD ignoring sk!scorri and all it did was fuck me over when I decided she wasn't worth blocking because she wasn't scum with GP. idk if Cam is mafia or sk or something else because the interactions with Weapons are null but he's definitely not going to flip town based on his play and you should read my case instead of handwaving him. @Proto: Poly didn't only claim an unlikely role, he also cleared the FFM/Shin slot which would make no sense unless they were buddies, and would be the worst idea considering that they'd almost 100% be lynched after Poly if he flipped scum. That's not the only thing though and I've said this before, the way Poly tried to cc BBM before he clarified that his cop claim was actually masons comes across as town not because of what the actual claim was but because he was really immediate in claiming in reaction, and that's not something many scum would do without prior discussion. Pretty sure his "uh no I wasn't actually claiming cop let's just forget that" is just town!poly being paranoid that he'd get killed over his role too (see: ITTD where he was certain he'd get NKd after claiming vig) Poly should get back here and claim his target, if he didn't target me he should do it tonight. Meanwhile we can just lynch Cam and actually hit scum.

Why the hell are you guys trying to lynch Poly? How does it even begin to make sense for Poly to clear one more dude through roles for no good reason when town already has 3 clears? This only makes sense if Poly/Shin are buddies so I want everybody voting Poly over the stuff he does literally every game to tell me how it makes sense for weapons/poly/shin to be the scumteam. Also Poly who did you target other than FFM/Shin? This reads more like an excuse to lynch Poly than anything else given the context of the post, could've said literally the same thing without reading any of his posts so you should elaborate a lot further than this. Prims should also stop being a lazyass and actually put effort into the game. Cam literally said "you can't scum meta me because you haven't played with me as scum" when I said nothing about his scum meta, I only talked about how he plays when he's town and described how he's completely different this game so it's obvious that he's just trying to discredit my case without actually making any Real Arguments back because it would draw attention. He's also disregarding stuff just because it's convenient like "appeal to emotion is a nulltell" instead of actually looking at the context in which it's happening and explaining why it's more likely to be coming from town or scum. tl;dr get off Poly and let's actually lynch scum also @BBM/Blitz did Xin ever say anything about the "one of the masons actually has a knife tee hee" part of her PM?

fsr I thought Refa was the last mason, which is really dumb in retrospect considering BBM was "vanillizer cop" and Refa pretty much proved/claimed persuader. ##Vote: Cam Still pretty certain that Cam is scum, see this and this. I feel like turning my brain off and turboing him to get it over with but I'm probably just tired atm. I'll reread Proto tomorrow.

We'd need 6 votes on Cam so I don't think it's happening =/ Unless like roofa and somebody else pop up from nowhere

Cam's response makes me feel even worse about him because despite being "busy" he managed to pop up in the thread immediately after I cased him. I'm also reading the EM conversation and he apparently had time to chat about whatever Smash Bros game reveal that came out today immediately after stating how busy he was, gj Cam.

Votals Xinnidy (1): Proto Proto (1): Poly Refa (1): Kay Poly (2): Cam, Prims Kay (4): Shin, BBM, Refa, Xinnidy Shin (1): Blitz Cam (1): Vhaltz It's like literally impossible to lynch anybody who isn't Kay this phase isn't it. ##Unvote ##Vote: Kay (L-1) I really prefer to lynch Cam but people are probably not going to show up with SF working like a potato.

Yeah deadline's today and we have a little over an hour left, gonna get a votecount

Eh today is deadline isn't it I didn't just make that up did I? it's hard to tell with the lack of votecounts Gonna check but we probably need to consolidate like right away

Gotta run I'll be gone for like 5 hours but hopefully I'll be back home in time for deadline.

The cons of outing immediately outweigh the benefits of confirming maf + sk rolespec so you should just trust me on this one. If that's not what you mean and you're guessing my role then you're probably wrong. I don't agree because for all I know he also could've planned on not actually bussing eclipse when he prodvoted Shinori but decided to do it at the last minute because Cam was probably getting lynched anyway, he was looking like he'd get lynched as well shortly after so bussing for cred there makes sense.

wrt rolespec Like I said earlier I think it's much more likely that the scum are mafia + SK and that there's not actually a cult. My role also makes actual sense if this is true because if there actually is an SK it'd be Not Fair to outright tell the mafia that they're investigation immune (see: Weapons' flip) since it'd make them a really easy catch upon getting No Result, and winning as SK is already hard enough by itself that I don't think it makes any sense for Paper/SB to give them that info unless it has some other purpose. My role is probably just there to fuck with mafia making them think I'm SK when they can't get a rolecop result on me meaning the SK probably doesn't actually have any investigation immunity (which also ties well with Poly!Town because naive cop getting No Result from an investigation immune would also make them really suspicious). If anything Shin could maybe be Bulletproof Miller Vigilante meaning an actual SK with a miller modifier but I don't think it's likely with what he's posted so far and it would also make it very obvious that he's SK if he got rolecopped by weapons. #gamingthesetup It's probably hard to understand but it'll all make sense when I claim eventually. Anyway wrt Cam, aside from coasting by D2 on his Poly case alone I'm quite certain he would've been way more confrontational wrt me calling him out earlier instead of going "lol can't brain enough to post reads now" if he were town, specially considering that he was scumreading me earlier in D1. If I had to explain somehow Cam does this thing where he rarely has strong cases but you can tell he's town scumhunting because he's actively interacting with people, asking questions, pushing his reads despite having no big case and being conflictive in general with both people he disagrees with and people who think he's scum. He had this briefly during D1 which is why I thought he was town but his D2 content is completely different, he put out the Poly case ignoring the whole cc thing as easy cred and the rest of his content is him briefly answering questions to satisfy the people with minor suspicions on him. His interactions with weapons are ??? considering that weapons voted him at deadline and that Cam mentioned him zero times during D1, but I still feel better lynching him than Kay/Proto atm I wanted to look at the Kay and Xin cases in depth but idk if I have enough battery left, atm I'd go Cam > Kay >> Proto. Not really interested in lynching any of Poly/Shin/Xinny. ##Unvote ##Vote: Cam

I'm stuck outside uni with no power source because of really dumb summer schedule. Just a warning that I'm running on like a 1h~ battery and might get cut off whenever my laptop decides to shut down.

I skimmed I should be in the lab already uuuugh idk about Proto now, his Poly case is particularly good even though I think he's misguided because he missed his clarifications wrt his role and naive modifier, he also seems like he's powering through ISOs so it seems legit that he missed BBM's and my explanation for Poly being town. I kind of want to lynch Cam because I feel like he's coasting on townreads from my lateD1 defense, I'm also ??? on why Cam and Prims disregard Poly's claim as easy cred because I don't really see Poly!scum making #BigPlays on his own like that considering that he's only been scum in NOC once before and his play quality wasn't anywhere near that (I don't have time to word this more sensitively no offense meant Poly) Also not seeing the Xinny cases and I don't think I'd lynch her over Kay/Cam but I'll Actually Read during lunchbreak in a few hours.

Cam why are you avoiding content. The 48 hour mark is getting close and I'm pretty certain Poly isn't getting lynched today so I want to see your reads.

Considering that the cop is naive I'm pretty sure both miller and godfather were thrown in as red herrings, what makes the cult flip and kirsche's role any different that you're so sure there's a cult? Also I don't see why a hypothetical Poly!scum would lie about FFM actually being miller anyway, do you think Poly is scum or are you banking on FFM's slot being a Mafia Miller? Prims probably worded it a little strongly but I do agree that you should probably tone down the ITPspec and try to look for scum.

Blitz should actually read my posts from last night for why cult probably doesn't exist, D2 where half or over half of the game is anti-town would be incredibly imbalanced. I'd also rather not fullclaim unless it's necessary, my role is very odd and nonconventional and that's all I'll say for now. Cam what do you think about other people that aren't Poly?

@Refa is the predicting Manix would be alive thing serious? When I saw it I figured adding Manix to the alive list just because you put him there accidentally when making ISOs seemed like something Paper would totally do. Refa feels town off of tryhard alone because even if he finally rolled town in Doomsday I'd figure his "fuck being scum" mindset would still be there for the next few months regardless. Still feeling good about my earlier read on him and what Mitsuki pointed out about Refa subtly trying to get culted is also something I don't think he'd think of as scum. Poly is probably town despite the naive cop shenanigans because his counterclaim D1 was too immediate and natural sounding, I figure if scum wanted to consider CCing somebody they'd do it after discussing and making sure they wouldn't be fucking up, and even then CCing a random dude D1 would be Really Dumb. Prims reads town off of tone and the vigshot. His posts read streamofthought-ish as opposed to carefully structured and like I feel like Prims!scum could've easily abused his #YOLO mentality with guns as town to shoot whoever he found more convenient as opposed to a lurker, plus he shot like 20 minutes after he said he'd reread which doesn't feel like scum carefully considering their possibilities. Xin was kind of tunnely but very scumhunt driven and pushed Weapons really hard for like, all of D1. Granted her vote was never actually on him but her refusing to establish priority lists and continuing to push Weapons makes me feel like it wasn't a "hey I'll bus you but keep you as a side priority so that you don't actually get lynched" and more of a "I really want all of these guys lynched I need more votes". Leaning town. Leaning Proto and Kay as scum off of PoE. If I had to guess SK I'd say I was probably wrong about Cam which is fuck me. Proto not even mentioning Refa in his near-deadline post when he had his vote on him is A Good Point, Kay kind of bugs me in that she kept weapons as a secondary suspicion nearing deadline and only came back when the wagons on Euklyd and Cam had already consolidated, but Kay not being there for extended periods of time is a thing so I'd rather lynch Proto.

Btw I still think Proto is mostly null but I'm sheeping Mitsuki's vote until I find something I think is Actually Scummy because everybody else is varying degrees of town. @Poly I thought rules said cop sanity is not guaranteed? At this point I'm banking on Cult being the center of the "It's a Conspiracy" mod lie because if there's both a cult and an SK, we'd be at 4-5 town vs 5-6 antitown if Weapons hadn't died which is unwinnable after a single mislynch. Either that or weapons was actually vigged but everybody but FFM has already posted and nobody has claimed the shot on weapons, dayvig + nightvig would be weird too so I'd expect them to have already cc'd Prims.