Deity Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) What can I do to lower my warn level? I mean, Its been since October and I have 40%. I wish to lower it. Is there anything this fine mercenary can do to lower it, or is this a matter solved by the powers above? XD --Edit-- Whoops, I meant to say December. XD Edited February 5, 2009 by Löki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Tyler Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I would talk to the original mod you gave you the warn. However, if the warn was serve, then it might stay longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deity Posted February 5, 2009 Author Share Posted February 5, 2009 They're not on, but they'll read this. So I'll see what happens. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnd Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 It's better to deal with this kind of subject via PM. Bringing it out in the open tends to lower your chances of success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defeatist Elitist Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Announcements ARE there for a reason, ya know? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deity Posted February 6, 2009 Author Share Posted February 6, 2009 That was locked and I needed to plead my case. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatrie: Guns Blazing Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 That was locked and I needed to plead my case. XD Hows that goin for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deity Posted February 6, 2009 Author Share Posted February 6, 2009 Hows that goin for you? Lol, alright, I would say. Wist lowered it a bit, and he told me to do something else, which I will. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatrie: Guns Blazing Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Lol, alright, I would say. Wist lowered it a bit, and he told me to do something else, which I will. ^^ then the prosecution rests its case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 To be honest I think the warns should remain permanently but should only be given in slightly more severe occasions. Mostly because it'll cause people to take them more seriously. Just an idea, any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 I'm not sure about the other staff, but I had considered doing that. However I figured it would be too restricting and I wasn't fond of members having permanent "criminal records" so to speak. Then again, the latter is kind of negated since the warn records remain even after warns are reduced. Maybe it's more like, I'd like to give people the chance to redeem themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 I'm not sure about the other staff, but I had considered doing that.However I figured it would be too restricting and I wasn't fond of members having permanent "criminal records" so to speak. Then again, the latter is kind of negated since the warn records remain even after warns are reduced. Maybe it's more like, I'd like to give people the chance to redeem themselves. Simple then, cut the amount a warn is worth in half. Instead of 20% increments, go for 10. Having a warn doesn't mean people can't redeem themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Hmm, I understand what you mean, but I think your example is a bit flawed since AFAIK we currently use 10% increments and that's the lowest increment the forum software allows. Well, there might be a mod out there that can change it, but 10% increments seem the most fair to me. Anything less just seems a bit meaningless (i.e instead of 10 warns to reach 100%, you need 20, which is at least two times too many IMHO). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Well the problem en lies in that people think after they redeem their previous warns, they don't worry about future ones so much because they know they can redeem themselves after and go back to doing whatever it was they were doing. In other words, not taking them serious enough. I've seen it on several forums, and I understand where you're coming from in wanting to be nice, but sometimes people can take advantage of that. Honestly I think 10 warns before perm-ban in MORE than enough. Most online games perm-ban people after 3, so 10 is actually rather generous. If people are taking advantage of how generous the staff is, it's their own fault. The most important point is that they shouldn't get warns in the first place, and they wouldn't have to worry about the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnd Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Well the problem en lies in that people think after they redeem their previous warns, they don't worry about future ones so much because they know they can redeem themselves after and go back to doing whatever it was they were doing. In other words, not taking them serious enough. I've seen it on several forums, and I understand where you're coming from in wanting to be nice, but sometimes people can take advantage of that.Honestly I think 10 warns before perm-ban in MORE than enough. Most online games perm-ban people after 3, so 10 is actually rather generous. If people are taking advantage of how generous the staff is, it's their own fault. The most important point is that they shouldn't get warns in the first place, and they wouldn't have to worry about the problem. I have a feeling that Vincent wants to keep things lax in his boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 I have a feeling that Vincent wants to keep things lax in his boards. I'd say that's pretty lax actually considering warns would be given out less often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnd Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 I'd say that's pretty lax actually considering warns would be given out less often. And yet would be ten times more seriousbusiness than before. Doesn't sound lax to me. More like default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 And yet would be ten times more seriousbusiness than before.Doesn't sound lax to me. More like default. Considering a lot of other forums ban you for good after 3 physical warnings, I'd say 10 is MORE than enough. It's basically like saying we need to give people more chances to screw up before they are required to learn. It's only as serious as you make it, and if people followed the rules like they are supposed to, there would be no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wist Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 I think any implementation similar to what is in place at the moment is most suitable for this forum. Fire Emblem is enjoyed by fans of a wide array of ages and backgrounds. The current system in which warnings decay gives leeway to younger and less experienced fans, many of which aren't disruptive and may be better equipped to contribute to the community in the future. Even in regard to individuals with which this is not the case, most infringements on the board I come across are, in my opinion, of minor consequence. The warning system provides a justifiable grounds for suspension without criminalizing those who aren't disruptive or err only infrequently. Ultimately, most of the rules exist as guidelines instead of strict mandates. It is with fair efficiency that members who lack any semblance of respect for the forum or its members can be prohibited from posting, the fact that warns decay after a given period of time has little bearing on such a case. There are occasions in which bypassing the warn system is been warranted. The warn system certainly isn't indicative of a policy permitting individuals to intentionally breaking ten rules, and I don't recall anyone having reached 100% anyways. At the moment I believe the administration is averse to establishing a more restrictive environment. I think this is favorable because it enables the board to service the widest possible spectrum of English speaking Fire Emblem fans. The purpose of the warn system is to eliminate intolerably aggressive behavior more than it is to remonstrate the behavior of those who make multiple minor offenses over an extended period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 (edited) I personally see the Warn system as a criminal record of sorts. It should keep a record of any and all offenses made by members, and should rise in accordance to the severity of the act carried out to make the percentage rise. It will serve as a good reminder to warned members that they should behave and follow rules and guidelines, or take another step towards a ban. I believe the Forest can be easygoing and lax even with this sort of system. It's what I think, anyway. Edited February 7, 2009 by Raven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YokaiKnight Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I don't see a need for the warn system to be changed. Mods can just take repeat offenders more seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riariadne Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 What I don't get is why you can warn yourself... What would happen if someone were to accidentally click the warn button? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnd Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 You can't warn yourself. You can only look at your own warn logs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eltoshen Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 The Fire Emblem community seems to consist of younger people these days, so making the warn level more severe might actually knock out a group of preteens/teens who are still learning their way around life. The feeling I get when I come here is a relaxed one, and I can say that I enjoy it. I don't like the high tension that comes from permanent warns. It doesn't benefit anybody at all really. And if a certain person keeps abusing the rules, administrators could ban them at any time. There is no tradition that you can only ban once a member reaches 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitloop Multipuck Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 The Fire Emblem community seems to consist of younger people these days, so making the warn level more severe might actually knock out a group of preteens/teens who are still learning their way around life. I find your argument for more draconian punishments compelling, but I am confused at how the rest of that post contradicts it. Though I can't understand why a higher warn level would be a bad thing. Do people not want to unleash their limit break? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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