Zsword Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Ok, so all that aside, congratz, you all missed the big counter argument that I mentioned earlier that would throw ALL of my arguments in the water and probably make me facepalm if it wasn't for the fact that I thought about it, and comes to how I'm defining Shamans and on. Shamans aren't meant to be the Res tank class like I've been saying. (well, not directly) they're meant to be the Mage/Anima Troub Counter, cause they actually will be able to make mages miss thanks to the whole weapon triangle thing where the lessy takes a -2 to their accuracy, and the Shaman get's a +2, meaning that the dodgy, accurate mage isn't nearly as much as the heavy Resistance Shaman. With that in mind that makes it much more acceptable. but still not much better but meh, what can you do considering there only is 4 mage classes compared to the 12 or so melee classes, and the 2 archers. But I'd like to re-iterate on an old point: Why is Magic Melee and Ranged skill? that small bit of versatility alone would greatly off set the stats balance they seem to have with the other classes. (btw: starting to drop arguments cause it got boring and you all are starting to get a little angry) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 (edited) Also, from what I can tell, tomes can get the same buffs as def-attackers. That is, you can get brave tomes, reaver tomes, slayer tomes... They're just titles you can stamp on your weapons for the effects. I don't see how tomes are underpowered. (Phoenix, please correct me if I'm wrong) We did go ahead and allow tomes like that(killers, slayers, reavers primarily). Braves weren't explicitly stated as tome capable but I can't think of a reason not to allow that. Dual spell :/ But I'd like to re-iterate on an old point: Why is Magic Melee and Ranged skill? that small bit of versatility alone would greatly off set the stats balance they seem to have with the other classes. Ranged tomes are fine and might get implemented, but by default turns them into snipers every other phase with no penalties and then archers have an unnecessary nerf :/ (btw: starting to drop arguments cause it got boring and you all are starting to get a little angry) Sorry but Cuddles is the only person that's ever successfully pissed me off in a debate :P @ Shaman Tanks That looks like another base level comparison Edited March 5, 2011 by Phoenix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercakete Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 It's +/- mt for the trinity of magic. +/- skl is for the weapon triangle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zsword Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Oh hey, Even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanami Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Sorry but Cuddles is the only person that's ever successfully pissed me off in a debate :P Merc's pretty much said everything I've wanted to say, so I'll just say "woohoo" to the above comment :/ *Achievement unlocked* I've looked at the last 2 pages and I honestly can't agree that Shamans are at any noticeable disadvantage. -Polarizing is going to cause issues for any class, a character will only get three stats to choose, and HP, Str/Mag, SKL and SPD are all crucial, With Def and Res being important if you don't want to be OHKO'ed. -Skills are skills, some are useful, others aren't. It depends on how you play. Looking at Domovoi thus far, he can defend any unit! :o ... Now whether he'll ever actually defend anyone is up for debate. -Shamans aren't meant to be anything. As Merca keeps saying, this "level up-stat" idea was implemented to give people more freedom in customizing their character. All characters in stats are pretty much equal with the exception of the stats you get on promotion. -Continuing from the last point. Your arguments for Shamans seem to be more "Promotion doesn't increase the stat I want to polarize" then anything else. All character (a semi-exception to archers) start with 20 stat points. You really shouldn't be making characters with less then 5 in anything by the end of tier 2's :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 UPDATE: -Character archive updated -Silvia added -Caine added -Boris added ----------------- I'd consider altering the mage promotion bonuses to something more fitting, but I'd want actual feedback first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roymbrog Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 +3 Mag +1 Skill or speed +2 Mag +2 Skill or speed or maybe +2 Mag +1 skill +1 speed Mages don't seems like the res type to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 I like the second and third set. Not sure which I'd pick from there though :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snike Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 I like set 3, but I'd also suggest changing Druid promotion bonuses to be +3 MAG/1 RES, in order to better reflect their place as hard-hitting magic users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Mmm, possibly yeah. A few more opinions and I'll be ready to render a decision(s) ^_^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roymbrog Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 I agree with Snike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Well in the meantime ... UPDATE: -Item list updated(the complete list, not the OP one) -Any weapons marked with a (T) have tome variants for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roymbrog Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Oh where did all the posters go, posters go, posters go... ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Eh, TS to morning can happen pretty soon if you guys like(like it's supposed to XD). Plenty to do then before marching forth into the great unknown or some such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roymbrog Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 TS is good, if it'll get things moving again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Well, no objections are going to get here on time so I'll get to that in a short while. Going to be a slightly lengthy post again though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanami Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) Finally~ As roy's said, everyone's sort of vanished lately, I suppose they'll all come running back when stat combat occurs, stupid people. But until then, I suppose we just try to weather it out for as long as possible :/ Edited March 8, 2011 by Kanami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zsword Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 I've been playing rift ok? I try to set aside what time I have for this only to see no one has posted so... yeah... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanami Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Nyeh, playing online games, having a life, doing study/working. Is all fine, and I don't think anyone's stupid enough to ask you put this RP before any of those. (Though I've been surprised in such regards before....) It's just that people seem to be adopting a "Nothing to say" policy where they're only going to react if someone interacts with them directly. There's plenty of things (as uninteresting as they are) to do by oneself, and hopefully some other Rp'er will follow suit and do something similar causing an interaction between two characters. No one, absolutely no one, should at this stage be saying "I have nothing to post" since you need to indicate whether you stayed outside with Raquels luggage, slept in the inn. Or went around killing people in their sleep. According to Phoenix, Amon waking up is about 7~8AM. So go wash your face, clean your weapon. Go shopping or whatever else you can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 UPDATE: -Amendment to Character rules instated. -Second Characters rule added to notes section(read'em and weep). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanami Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) It's in red, can't miss it :P Haha Bladder, no second character for the inactives~ Nyahahahahahaaaa Take that ADHD! Edited March 8, 2011 by Kanami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roymbrog Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Well, I feel unloved. I leave and everyone suddenly decides to post? Man... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanami Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) Didn't you know roy? We all hate you, and always wait until you go before coming out of our hiding spots to post Seriously though, Cynthia/Merc/Phoenix have always been rather active and Z I had to bully a bit to post XD After taking a look at the RP I noticed a good person to be mean to, so Acacia's going to be my example! No, you don't get get a choice now shut up and be my example! XD ''Ah, good morning.'' John replied, noticing Amon. This is not a post :/ It's nearly lacking enough to be considered spam, but it's initiating an action on someone else, hence is still decent. If it was something like Bobby yawned, he'd just woken up. I'd probably be flaying you to death right now :P I think it's an ugly stupid post, but I'm not going to tell people to stop posting, just don't expect posts like that to count when applying for a second character. See Phee, I told you that we needed "decent" in that clause Edited March 8, 2011 by Kanami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zsword Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 I needed a little more info ok? an Inn, and hinted to be town kinda doesn't spark me well, but now, now I have enough to get my mojo working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanami Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 I don't want to push this issue too much Z, since you're posting now, and I'm happy about it. But your posts so far... haven't really utilized anything beside an inn and being in a populated settlement (city/town). Oh, you've also mentioned a biscuit XD Either way, nice to know your... mojo? is working :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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