Shadow Mir Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) I'm thinking those royals need to move down but idk where to While we're speaking of royals, what happened to Tibarn < Nailah? Also, Low and Bottom tiers got cut off from the list. Edited February 24, 2011 by Malik Maxwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Why is Edward above Nolan anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Sigrun and Muarim are way too high for the time they're available/useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Sigrun and Muarim are way too high for the time they're available/useful. Sigrun is useful in four chapters. Muarim is useful in four chapters. Seems better than Kieran and Makalov's 2 chapters each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Why is Edward above Nolan anyway? Why not? :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) Sigrun is useful in four chapters. Muarim is useful in four chapters. Seems better than Kieran and Makalov's 2 chapters each. Yet far worse than the other people in their tier (see: Gatrie, Aran, Nephenee etc). Also, Ilyana has many more chapters of usefulness and is far below them all. They too could be overrated you know ;). Why not? In EM all edward does is double SM's that Nolan can't. In contrast, however, Nolan deals more damage per hit, is more durable come part 3 and is probably better in endgame as well. Also earth support and manly beard. Edited February 24, 2011 by Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Yet far worse than the other people in their tier (see: Gatrie, Aran, Nephenee etc). Also, Ilyana has many more chapters of usefulness and is far below them all. They too could be overrated you know ;). Gatrie has zero chapters of usefulness. Same goes for Ilyana. They are simply too slow (in terms of movement speed). There is practically nothing they do that cannot be offered by multiple characters with better movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 In EM all edward does is double SM's that Nolan can't. In contrast, however, Nolan deals more damage per hit, is more durable come part 3 and is probably better in endgame as well. Also earth support and manly beard. You're forgetting the part he starts 1RKO'ing faster thanks to fast Str/Spd growths. =/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMonkey Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Gatrie has zero chapters of usefulness. Same goes for Ilyana. They are simply too slow (in terms of movement speed). There is practically nothing they do that cannot be offered by multiple characters with better movement. I take it that you are going to give us an example of this, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I take it that you are going to give us an example of this, right? Do I need to? Nephenee, Soren, Ike, Titania, Oscar, Mia, and Boyd. So basically, every person who isn't Ilyana or a healer or locked to bows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant Dragon Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Do I need to? Nephenee, Soren, Ike, Titania, Oscar, Mia, and Boyd. So basically, every person who isn't Ilyana or a healer or locked to bows. Soren does not have better movement than Gatrie or Ilyana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Soren does not have better movement than Gatrie or Ilyana. Ilyana has the downside of having stats that are truly awful. And we need to endure her failure in Part 1 as well. Soren does have better movement than Gatrie. It's possible to shove Soren, he's much easier to rescue, and he takes lower penalties from thickets and ledges. He also has better movement in the desert. He also attacks at 1-2 range, so he's more flexible in his positioning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMonkey Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) He also has better movement in the desert. Which is irrelevent as Soren is locked to Ike's route in Part 4. He also attacks at 1-2 range, so he's more flexible in his positioning. Hand Axes/Javelins and the like exist for Gatrie to use, y'know! Edited February 25, 2011 by NinjaMonkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Which is irrelevent as Soren is locked to Ike's route in Part 4. Forgot about that, but he's still better in 4-4. Hand Axes/Javelins and the like exist for Gatrie to use, y'know! And they aren't as strong (or in the earliest sections of Part 3, as accurate). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant Dragon Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 And we need to endure her failure in Part 1 as well. Except Ilyana's actually good in Part 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanarkin Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Ilyana does have better movement than Gatrie. It's possible to shove Ilyana, she's much easier to rescue, and she takes lower penalties from thickets and ledges. She also has better movement in the desert. She also attacks at 1-2 range, so she's more flexible in his positioning. Don't really see much difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaMonkey Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) And they aren't as strong (or in the earliest sections of Part 3, as accurate). I take it you haven't actually ever played Easy Mode, right? Because I have and I've never had any accuracy issues whatsoever (on any of my playthroughs). Edited February 25, 2011 by NinjaMonkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) Except Ilyana's actually good in Part 1. How? She's terrible. She has crap movement and is one of the only people who actually has durability issues. Can't do anything in 1-6, for example, or 1-7, or 1-8, or 1-E. I take it you haven't actually ever played Easy Mode, right? Because I have and I've never had any accuracy issues whatsoever. But he does have accuracy issues. Especially when you consider biorhythm or WTD. Even at level 20/1, he only has like 85 hit on level 5 Warriors at neutral biorhythm with a Javelin, so it can go lower. Don't really see much difference. When doubling and ORKOing and not dying is quite easy to accomplish, even minor differences in movement type are important. Edited February 25, 2011 by Anouleth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNG Princess Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) Nolan starts with issues, Edward starts with none both end great Eddie > Nolan. Ilyana is considered better than Soren for availability lead, being a potential Tormod replacement, being able to join in 4-3, and actually being a good unit to deploy in Part 1 unlike Soren in Part 3(?). Thats the logic i'm using if you see flaws please let me know. Made some changes where do I put the unranked? Edited February 25, 2011 by Queen_Elincia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanarkin Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 The herons could all go into highest tier, or near it. I'd say that Rafiel > Reyson because not wasting a turn to transform and be able to galdr 4 units on turn 1 over wasting a turn and doing the same afterwards. This is specially important in 4-e where most chapters can be 1 turned. Plus mobility issues can be solved with boots and celerity. if its really that big of a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNG Princess Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) AM' timestamp='1298599955' post='1473081']The herons could all go into highest tier, or near it. I'd say that Rafiel > Reyson because not wasting a turn to transform and be able to galdr 4 units on turn 1 over wasting a turn and doing the same afterwards[/b]. This is specially important in 4-e where most chapters can be 1 turned. Plus mobility issues can be solved with boots and celerity. if its really that big of a deal. Thats true and I agree Rafiel is a great candidate for boots in endgame or better yet have Kurth use smite ^_^ but Reyson has more availability and dodge which is why he is considered better. Edited February 25, 2011 by Queen_Elincia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Yeah, Reyson is really clutch in Part 3. I don't know if you could say the same thing about Rafiel in some of his chapters, like 1-8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNG Princess Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) Yeah, Reyson is really clutch in Part 3. I don't know if you could say the same thing about Rafiel in some of his chapters, like 1-8. his presence doesn't affect much in 1-8, though he can help some units gain cexp his positioning is so off. Where as Reyson is needed for chapters like 3-5 and that volcano chapter as well, and the ever most boring 3-7. Edited February 25, 2011 by Queen_Elincia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanarkin Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Dodge doesn't really matter on a heron, why are they getting hit in the first place? But yes it all comes down to Part 3 vs Part 4 usefulness. I can't really argue much more cause i'm going to be totally biased for Rafiel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNG Princess Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 Dodge doesn't really matter on a heron, why are they getting hit in the first place? But yes it all comes down to Part 3 vs Part 4 usefulness. I can't really argue much more cause i'm going to be totally biased for Rafiel... me too :) I personally think Rafiel > Reyson forever but the present facts say its the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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