Strawman Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 I prefer Heather. Sothe seems to always have crappy speed which he kind of needs to be able to kill anyone. Also sothe is a lot more boring and not as cool looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 In efficiency terms, Sothe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Heather. Try beating part 1 efficiently without Sothe, its impossible. In cool terms, Heather>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sothe. Cause shes a lesbian and totally wants with neph and elincia. <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 I prefer Heather. Sothe seems to always have crappy speed which he kind of needs to be able to kill anyone. Also sothe is a lot more boring and not as cool looking. In efficiency terms, Sothe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Heather. Try beating part 1 efficiently without Sothe, its impossible. In cool terms, Heather>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sothe. Cause shes a lesbian and totally wants with neph and elincia. <3 How is Heather "cool"? I think you mean hot. Also, what the hell is this shit about Sothe's Spd sucking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanarkin Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 How is Heather "cool"? I think you mean hot. Also, what the hell is this shit about Sothe's Spd sucking. Probably PEMN but I can sort of get on to that... after part 3, Sothe's speed just sucks :/ specially since he seems to despise his speed when he's being trained by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.M. Gei Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 It's true that Sothe may have difficulty doubling in part 3 (Cats have 20-22 AS), but he doubles all the way from 1-2 to 1-E (barring, if you're unlucky, the very fastest of enemies in 1-E) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Yes, I know he has some trouble doubling Part 3 enemies, but it's nowhere close to being "crappy" Spd. Besides, he 1RKO's all Tigers with Beastkiller, so I only consider 3-12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Sothe's Spd actually is somewhat low for his class. 45% growth doesn't even get him capping on average. Him sucking in part 4 is partially due to his inability to consistently double, not just his poor Str. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 (edited) I'd rather have mediocre speed that is easily fixable through BEXP than Heather's abysmal strength that is less easily fixable. Sothe can start BEXPing at level 9. Heather can't until level 15. Guess who wins? And moreover, Sothe has 40% more strength growth against Heather's 25% more speed growth. Another victory for Sothe, I think. And his base stats don't help. Overall, Sothe has more HP, STR, SKL, LUK, and DEF against Heather's er, MAG, SPD, RES and having to wait longer to BEXP them. Edited November 6, 2011 by Anouleth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 (edited) But Heather's Str isn't easy to fix at all. You need to get her to cap Spd, Skill and Res before getting any lucky later on...there's Def in the way. You'd really want to give Heather a Secret Book and a Talisman to BEXP slowplay her bad Str/Def up. And Sothe has 35% Str growth over Heather. Edited November 6, 2011 by Bedivere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 But Heather's Str isn't easy to fix at all. You need to get her to cap Spd, Skill and Res before getting any lucky later on...there's Def in the way. You'd really want to give Heather a Secret Book and a Talisman to BEXP slowplay her bad Str/Def up. You know what people are like. If you ever say something isn't "easy", they go off on "OMG I DO IT ALL TIME IS SO EASY LOOK AT MY CAPPED HEATHER". Trust me, I've been doing this forever. And Sothe has 35% Str growth over Heather. I stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Purple_Knight Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 I pick sothe his stats are better and he's alot more useful then her for most of the game . I my find his personality to be annoying but I HATE heather . I usual kill her off after she quits being useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ϲharlie Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Heather is more pleasing to my eyes (and not just because she's female), but Sothe wins in everything else. Even his characterization is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lokiyuna Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 (edited) SOTHE With Caineghis, Micaiah, Volke, Gareth and Ena close and a Stilletto... Accuracy- 251 Critical- 51 Avoid- 165-185 Attack Speed- 45 Attack- 42 Dodge- 45 Skill Activation- 53 Gamble activated with Caineghis, Micaiah, Volke, Gareth and Ena close by and Stilletto... Accuracy- 126 Critical- 102 Avoid- 165-185 Attack Speed- 45 Attack- 42 Dodge- 45 Skill Activation- 53 With Caineghis, Micaiah, Volke, Gareth and Ena close and a Baselard... Accuracy- 271 Critical- 46 Avoid- 165-185 Attack Speed- 45 Attack- 51 Dodge- 45 Skill Activation- 53 Gamble activated with Caineghis, Micaiah, Volke, Gareth and Ena close by and a Baselard... Accuracy- 136 Critical- 92 Avoid- 165-185 Attack Speed- 45 Attack- 51 Dodge- 45 Skill Activation- 53 VOLKE With Caineghis, Bastian, Sothe, Gareth and Ena close and a Stilletto... Accuracy- 245 Critical- 78 Avoid- 155-175 Attack Speed- 45 Attack- 49 Dodge- 35 Skill Activation- 55 Gamble activated with Caineghis, Bastian, Sothe, Gareth and Ena close by and Stilletto... Accuracy- 122 Critical- 156 Avoid- 155-175 Attack Speed- 45 Attack- 49 Dodge- 35 Skill Activation- 55 With Caineghis, Bastian, Sothe, Gareth and Ena close and a Baselard... Accuracy- 265 Critical- 73 Avoid- 155-175 Attack Speed- 45 Attack- 58 Dodge- 35 Skill Activation- 55 Gamble activated with Caineghis, Bastian, Sothe, Gareth and Ena close by and a Baselard... Accuracy- 132 Critical- 146 Avoid- 155-175 Attack Speed- 45 Attack- 58 Dodge- 35 Skill Activation- 55 Some random calculations just thought I'd show you with max optimization and stats for Sothe & Heather... (Heather doesn't get a +10 crit, dodge bond though). (Best biorhythm btw.) Volke with innate +25% Crit, Lethality, 35 Str, and 40 Skl cap he screws them both in the arse in terms of effectiveness and awesomeness. (I think he might have a Bastian +10 transfer bond though... not sure) As for whispers in general they get a +10 luk cap over assassins woo! haha. Basically comes down to assassins's doing quite a bit more consistent damage, criting more of the time by far, and slightly higher skill activation while trading off for lower crit dodge, lower avoid, and SLIGHTLY lower accuracy. Edited November 6, 2011 by Lokiyuna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 The thing is, it's Sothe vs. Heather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranulf Is My Pillow Posted November 7, 2011 Author Share Posted November 7, 2011 SOTHE With Caineghis, Micaiah, Volke, Gareth and Ena close and a Stilletto... Accuracy- 251 Critical- 51 Avoid- 165-185 Attack Speed- 45 Attack- 42 Dodge- 45 Skill Activation- 53 Gamble activated with Caineghis, Micaiah, Volke, Gareth and Ena close by and Stilletto... Accuracy- 126 Critical- 102 Avoid- 165-185 Attack Speed- 45 Attack- 42 Dodge- 45 Skill Activation- 53 With Caineghis, Micaiah, Volke, Gareth and Ena close and a Baselard... Accuracy- 271 Critical- 46 Avoid- 165-185 Attack Speed- 45 Attack- 51 Dodge- 45 Skill Activation- 53 Gamble activated with Caineghis, Micaiah, Volke, Gareth and Ena close by and a Baselard... Accuracy- 136 Critical- 92 Avoid- 165-185 Attack Speed- 45 Attack- 51 Dodge- 45 Skill Activation- 53 VOLKE With Caineghis, Bastian, Sothe, Gareth and Ena close and a Stilletto... Accuracy- 245 Critical- 78 Avoid- 155-175 Attack Speed- 45 Attack- 49 Dodge- 35 Skill Activation- 55 Gamble activated with Caineghis, Bastian, Sothe, Gareth and Ena close by and Stilletto... Accuracy- 122 Critical- 156 Avoid- 155-175 Attack Speed- 45 Attack- 49 Dodge- 35 Skill Activation- 55 With Caineghis, Bastian, Sothe, Gareth and Ena close and a Baselard... Accuracy- 265 Critical- 73 Avoid- 155-175 Attack Speed- 45 Attack- 58 Dodge- 35 Skill Activation- 55 Gamble activated with Caineghis, Bastian, Sothe, Gareth and Ena close by and a Baselard... Accuracy- 132 Critical- 146 Avoid- 155-175 Attack Speed- 45 Attack- 58 Dodge- 35 Skill Activation- 55 Some random calculations just thought I'd show you with max optimization and stats for Sothe & Heather... (Heather doesn't get a +10 crit, dodge bond though). (Best biorhythm btw.) Volke with innate +25% Crit, Lethality, 35 Str, and 40 Skl cap he screws them both in the arse in terms of effectiveness and awesomeness. (I think he might have a Bastian +10 transfer bond though... not sure) As for whispers in general they get a +10 luk cap over assassins woo! haha. Basically comes down to assassins's doing quite a bit more consistent damage, criting more of the time by far, and slightly higher skill activation while trading off for lower crit dodge, lower avoid, and SLIGHTLY lower accuracy. Ya know, that's so great, but Volke isn't being questioned. Its Sothe vs Heather. Volke is in a class on his own and was never a part of my question. Your information on sothe however is interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanarkin Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I don't know what Volke or Cain being near have to do with Sothe attacking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kngt_Of_Titania Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Sorry, Sothe wins this one. It's not even a question. From his godliness in part 1 to his decent combat in part 4 to his thievery for much of the game, Sothe is an all-around good unit to have (although I'm hardly a fan of his third tier skill or crappy STR cap or his personality or...anything about him really, I can recognize his usefulness). I once tried to level up Heather on NM/HM, but it really turns out she's hard to raise, with her doing 0x2 damage and gaining absolutely crap experience because of it (never can snipe kills, and doing 0 damage leads to like a 1 experience gain, unless I'm mixing up older FE mechanics somehow). But hey, at least her durability isn't crap---oh wait, nvm. Not going to bring her personality into this, athough I'm just going to say it beats Sothe hands down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranulf Is My Pillow Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 Meh. If only you could combine the two...wait...*jumps to fe7* oh Matthew~ <3 lol. i still like Heather. She just stole a bolting for me in part 3 X3 Sothe is a better fighter, but Heather can give him a fun for his money if she's trained right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nflchamp Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 SOTHE VOLKE Leadership stars affect everyone under the commander (eg. Ike's are the only ones that matter in 4-E and he doesn't have to be nearby). I'm assuming this is why Cain is involved pointlessly. Either way, some of those calcs are wrong, from what I can tell. Sothe with Stilletto and Gareth and Ena next to him has 46 atk (28STR + 8MT + 10 Blood Tide), not 42. And that's including the fact that I'm not entirely sure what Volke, Miccy, and Cain are actually doing in the equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paper Jam Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Heather is a decent thief for Elincia and Ike in Part II and III respectively, and you will want her on Ike's team in Part IV... but if it's a question of who gets Baselard, Sothe is probably better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VGE Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Not reading all the posts. In regards to capped stats, Sothe slightly beats Heather. In terms of personality, I say I prefer Heather. Mainly because Sothe was a dick in Path of Radiance, which completely stays with him, forever. He could be a SAINT in RD, but his douchy behaviour in PoR, killed his character for me. In terms of availability, Heather beats Sothe by far. Yes, in Part 1 he's FINALLY useful, and can deal quite a bit of damage, but he's the equivalent of PoR's Titania - already promoted, so you shouldn't use him. Plus, later on, he just becomes weaker. The only reason I use Sothe, is because of his promotion in Part 4. Same with Micaiah. If those two didn't promote, Sothe would forever be level 1, and Micaiah would be level 1. There is one other thing. Sothe is fucking forced. I LOATHE that. I can understand why Micaiah, Ike, Elincia, are forced, since they are the commanders, but Sothe? Sothe is just Micaiah's lover boy. He has no need to be forced. Heather is completely optional, but I recommend training her 100%. Yes, her strength is a bitch to get up, but what I always do, is reset for her strength, and have her cap it, as soon as possible. That way, she can dish out damage, and steal heavy things sooner. In short, Stats: Sothe > Heather Character wise: Heather > Sothe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 In terms of availability, Heather beats Sothe by far. Yes, in Part 1 he's FINALLY useful, and can deal quite a bit of damage, but he's the equivalent of PoR's Titania - already promoted, so you shouldn't use him. Plus, later on, he just becomes weaker. It's generally accepted that you use prepromotes to soften enemies, then kill them with your weaklings. If you're not using Sothe... you're making Part I unnecessarily difficult for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narga_Rocks Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 In terms of availability, Heather beats Sothe by far. Yes, in Part 1 he's FINALLY useful, and can deal quite a bit of damage, but he's the equivalent of PoR's Titania - already promoted, so you shouldn't use him. Plus, later on, he just becomes weaker. Um, wow. Just wow. Not using Titania in PoR is a good way to add 100 to your turncount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Heather is the best female thief in the whole series, not that it's saying much. She beats Sothe on personality, as well, but Sothe is the better unit. Though they don't really compete for spots most of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Heather is the best female thief in the whole series, not that it's saying much. Lara is better, so she's not even that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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