X-Naut Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Unown. At least Sunkern, Magikarp, and Hoppip can improve... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliban of Sycorax Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Sunflora and Jumpluff still suck, though. Gyrados is amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/unown Always good for a laugh. Also, at least Spinda can do something with contrary, assist and a team of pokemon with V-create, draco meteor, superpower, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galenforcer Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 In general, Pikachu. I think the only ones who like Pikachu are the ones who don't play the game. Battle wise, I'd say Corsola for whatever reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 In general, Pikachu. I think the only ones who like Pikachu are the ones who don't play the game. What's up with all this Pikachu hate? At least it's cute. :( And how did nobody mention Zubat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. MR Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Pichu is the worst pokemon in Melee And I would have to say Tyrogue is the worst pokemon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Kriketune line in general.They have nothing going for them. No potential like Magikarp. No novelty role like luvdisk and unoun. Even early bug type with early evolution consept is done better by wurple in the same freaking game. At least Beedrill had Twineedle over butterfree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Kriketune line in general.They have nothing going for them. No potential like Magikarp. No novelty role like luvdisk and unoun. Even early bug type with early evolution consept is done better by wurple in the same freaking game. At least Beedrill had Twineedle over butterfree. Then again, Twineedle sucks, and Butterfree has a 97.5% accuracy Sleep Powder (from Generation 3 onward)... Edited January 11, 2012 by Metal King Slime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 back in the day Twineedle was the best bug type move. At least Beedrill had something when it first came out. Thats more than Kriketune who was instantly outclassed by wurple. Unless you want to count existing for gym 1 "lead" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangerine Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Magikarp is the obvious answer. He has the lowest attack in the game, so he is automatically worse than anything that has the same moves as him (Tackle) and more attack. Any bug Pokemon whose moveset consists entirely of Tackle, String Shot or Harden is the worst Pokemon afterwards. I'd say Metapod is the worst of them objectively. At least Weedle/Kakuna have Poison Sting, and bug/poison is better than mono bug. Of course, their typing isn't much of a problem in-game realistically, considering the times you'd be expecting to actually use them. But yeah, they're the worst if you just want us to pick one out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnd Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Unown is just bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ether Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Sunkern. My gods, Sunkern. Why do you exist? You're a fucking seed. Atleast Magikarp is 'fast'. And Sunflora doesn't even get the 'Awesome Evolution Syndrome'. It's a freaking Sunflora. Go away Sunkern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Sunkern. My gods, Sunkern. Why do you exist? You're a fucking seed. Atleast Magikarp is 'fast'. And Sunflora doesn't even get the 'Awesome Evolution Syndrome'. It's a freaking Sunflora. Go away Sunkern. It exist because its awesome. Exspecially in this team (gen3): Umbreon @leftoverse Mean Look Baton Bass Moonlight Roar Smeargle @Leftoverse Spore Ingrain Baton Pass Substitude Scicor @Leftoverse Sword Dance Iron Defence Agility Baton Bass Espeon @Leftoverse Calm Mind Baton Bass Morning Sun Substitude Sunkern @Leftoverse STAB Type Coverage option 1 Type Coverage option 2 Type Coverage option 3 Scrub Stuff @Who cares? Stuff Stuff Stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Sunkern, because there are other options for grasses in it's games. Poochyena, because it stinks later on Mawhile- **** that thing Luvdisk- high speed and nothing else Pidgey- Spearow is availible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emeraldfox Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Gyarados. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helios Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Feebas is even worse than Magikarp. At least Magikarp gets flail, so against a nonghost pokemon + sandstorm, you can just flail it down to 1 hp with you, and watch magikarp die in peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 (edited) Feebas is even worse than Magikarp. At least Magikarp gets flail, so against a nonghost pokemon + sandstorm, you can just flail it down to 1 hp with you, and watch magikarp die in peace. Both Magikarp and Feebas learn Splash at base, Tachle at LV15, and Flail at LV30. In terms of moves the other lacks, Magikarp just gets Bounce from 3rd/4th gen move tutors or DW, while Feebas has access to a number of TMs and HMs. Seems like a clear advantage for Feebas to me. Edited March 4, 2012 by Othin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helios Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Both Magikarp and Feebas learn Splash at base, Tachle at LV15, and Flail at LV30. In terms of moves the other lacks, Magikarp just gets Bounce from 3rd/4th gen move tutors or DW, while Feebas has access to a number of TMs and HMs. Seems like a clear advantage for Feebas to me. what's the point of having moves if chances are you will never use them, or be strong enough to even dent something with them? no matter who your fighting, whether it's another magikarp or a nonghost arceus, with flail, sandstorm, and focus sash, you will always tie the battle. just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just call me AL Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Wasn't Feebas's evolution fixed just recently? At any rate: All Unown knows is Hidden Power. A simple sneeze can make a Shedinja faint. Sableye doesn't have much going for it. Neither does Luvdisc. Or Swoobat. That's basically all I can think of, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 (edited) what's the point of having moves if chances are you will never use them, or be strong enough to even dent something with them? no matter who your fighting, whether it's another magikarp or a nonghost arceus, with flail, sandstorm, and focus sash, you will always tie the battle. just my opinion. The problem with that is that Flail doesn't work that way... And Sandstorm would wind up shooting you in the foot. Either way, it'd fall through against rock, ground or steel types as well - not just ghosts. Oh, and did I mention Magic Guard (prevents residual damage) also laughs at such a strategy? Edited March 4, 2012 by Metal King Slime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helios Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 The problem with that is that Flail doesn't work that way... And Sandstorm would wind up shooting you in the foot. Either way, it'd fall through against rock, ground or steel types as well - not just ghosts. Oh, and did I mention Magic Guard (prevents residual damage) also laughs at such a strategy? Wow I need sleep. Totally forgot that sandstorm doesn't work against rock, ground, or steel. And of magic guards's existence for that matter. Really need to brush up on gen V. The whole point of that strategy would be to commit suicide but at least take ur opponent down with you, like a pseudo-explosion. I used to have a mamoswine lead that used this flail strategy beautifully. When you say "flail doesn't work that way" what do you mean? Chances are magikarp will be slower than your opponent's pokemon (especially when you put no speed ivs, a brave nature, and no speed evs), so it will be hit first. with the fish's lack of defense, it will get hit hard and probably should be ohkoed; however, with focus sash it will still have one hp. so magikarp counterattacks with flail, sends its opponent down to one hp as well, and has sandstorm kill both of them off. at least magikarp will ensure a KO against a pokemon that doesn't resist flail or sandstorm that way. Now is this gimmicky as hell? yes. Nonetheless, it's still a way to use him somewhat effectively, and gives a higher chance of KOing a poke than feebas has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Flail does not do set damage, so unless Magikarp's like ridiculously strong, it won't be enough to do much to anything with half-decent Defense/HP/both. At least Spinda has more base Attack and STAB to its name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 (edited) Wow I need sleep. Totally forgot that sandstorm doesn't work against rock, ground, or steel. And of magic guards's existence for that matter. Really need to brush up on gen V. The whole point of that strategy would be to commit suicide but at least take ur opponent down with you, like a pseudo-explosion. I used to have a mamoswine lead that used this flail strategy beautifully. When you say "flail doesn't work that way" what do you mean? Chances are magikarp will be slower than your opponent's pokemon (especially when you put no speed ivs, a brave nature, and no speed evs), so it will be hit first. with the fish's lack of defense, it will get hit hard and probably should be ohkoed; however, with focus sash it will still have one hp. so magikarp counterattacks with flail, sends its opponent down to one hp as well, and has sandstorm kill both of them off. at least magikarp will ensure a KO against a pokemon that doesn't resist flail or sandstorm that way. Now is this gimmicky as hell? yes. Nonetheless, it's still a way to use him somewhat effectively, and gives a higher chance of KOing a poke than feebas has. The issue is... Flail doesn't drop the opponent's HP to equal the user's. And what makes you think Magikarp's going to be doing much of anything when it's got something like 20 base attack? Edit: Magikarp's base attack is 10 - even worse than I thought. AND I forgot about Stealth Rock, which would easily render such a strategy a bust (even if its presence has been greatly reduced since Gen V came along; Spikes would also ruin that strategy). Edited March 4, 2012 by Metal King Slime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobflac Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 (edited) Yeah, eclipse covered it. Flail does not and never has taken the opponent down to your HP. If you are at one HP, Flail will not cause your opponent to come down to one HP. It MIGHT, but that would be completely coincidental. Instead, Flail's base power changes depending on your HP. I do not remember the exact formula, but it skyrockets below 5 or 10 HP or something. And yeah, Feebas has both TM Moves and some Egg Moves if I remember correctly. So Magikarp is worse. Edit: Ninja'd Edited March 4, 2012 by bobflac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xblade Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Any pokemon that only learns one move hehehehe Beldum, take down what a joke, i dare someone to vs fortress with that thing. not dissing on metagross just beldum also metapod and kakuna. Abra. you know what there's more but i can't remember and i can't be bothered looking through the book to find them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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