Rapier Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Rapier: learn 2 think, you should have been on Shinori's ass all D2 It would never have happened, because: - My case agaisnt Paper wouldn't have been that stupid if the Jailer possibility didn't exist. - I didn't know Roleblocks also included stopping Night Kills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I brought up the Jailer possibility and you disregarded it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I brought up the Jailer possibility and you disregarded it You're the only one who considered it. Everyone was on board for a Safeguard or a lucky-as-fuck Doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 The safeguard assumption didn't make any sense =/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I thought that was the only one. Also, I'm too stubborn, that's why I still held you. I thought I could find a Phoenix Wright-ish reason that would fix this and lynch you like the difference between flavors, but I was wrong. Sorry. >: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I thought that was the only one. Also, I'm too stubborn, that's why I still held you. I thought I could find a Phoenix Wright-ish reason that would fix this and lynch you like the difference between flavors, but I was wrong. Sorry. >: There's a time to be stubborn, and if someone's hitting you over the head with your own logic, it's time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 There's a time to be stubborn, and if someone's hitting you over the head with your own logic, it's time to move on. I went too far. Do you think I was wrong by pressing Paper, or do you think I'm wrong for not admitting it? I'm not sure if a "I'm sorry" post would've made me less scummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 You were wrong on both counts. When someone points out flaws in your logic, and they're legitimate, apologize, and look for another angle of attack. If one doesn't exist, then look elsewhere; you might have the wrong target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted May 26, 2012 Author Share Posted May 26, 2012 I'm lazy and want to go to bed, so you get these in pairs of three. Blitz - You could definitely stand to be more aggressive. Even though you jumped around a lot early on, once a train started building on you D1, you just kinda sat there and never really did anything with your Ether vote. I couldn't even tell whether or not you still suspected him or why. Work on vocalizing your opinions in the future - it doesn't matter whether you're right or not if nobody can follow your logic. Point, Evidence, Explain is a decent way to go about this in Mafia if you're still new to explaining cases - shitty ex. "Paperblade is scummy and I want to lynch him. In post #27, he voted flipped town Levity when other people started voting her because he is a huge jerk. Just because you are a jerk doesn't mean your target is scum, so this looks like an opportunistic wagon hop. ##Vote: Paperblade" Also, being around to claim would've been nice, but I assume that wasn't your fault. Rapier - Consider reading mafiascum wiki or something to get a better handle of role mechanics. IIRC I told you that you blocked all active abilities, the mafia NK is an active ability, albeit a factional one. Aside from that, your day one wasn't too terrible, but please, don't assume Player B is Player A's scumbuddy or use it as a basis for your arguments until Player A flips scum. These trains of thought are often futile wastes of time, and it can be very easy for scum to manipulate them to get the player in your duo that isn't scum lynched, assuming you're wrong. D2... you took way too long to vote, first of all. Getting your opinions and vote out earlier helps keep the day moving, re-reading the game overnight helps (if you have the time). It seemed like you were turning the game toward role speculation instead of scumhunting, which tends to be a Bad Idea in NOC until massclaim. Your logic regarding the safeguard didn't even make much sense, town safeguards can exist as well as scum ones, and town/scum blocker can exist simultaneously. Paperblade - Pretty good work overall given the derptastic play you had to put up with at some points. I would, however, disagree that going with RandomLynch over BlitzLynch was a good idea - you didn't know the role distribution, RandomLynch could have easily resulted in a shitty kill on an under-the-radar PR (Rapier!) who nobody suspected at the time, or just ended up in one of Blitz/Manix dying if you thought they were town. Blitz's flip would've at least provided concrete information. Last minute wagons generally just don't work out, and while you should strive to lynch scum, D1 mislynch honestly isn't the end of the world when it happens. D2 I think you could have put up more of an effort to get the lurkers to talk when everybody except you was being lazy, possibly by asking them questions and such if you absolutely couldn't think of anything (as in specific ones directed toward the player, not questionnaires, those are dumb). When people aren't playing for the game they signed up for it's up to the few who are to get their asses in gear. The mod can't hand out prods for active lurking. This complaint might just be because I was frustrated watching early D2 play out, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 well, I didn't wanna claim vanilla because I doubted people would believe me and I would be the lynch anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Prims you are like, 6 ppl short. Did you get Randolynched? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted May 30, 2012 Author Share Posted May 30, 2012 i'm lazy vOv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 (edited) no one saw anything Edited June 1, 2012 by Paperblade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share Posted June 1, 2012 tomorrow after naptimes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 (edited) ;/ Edited June 1, 2012 by Paperblade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Pfffft I don't want edits, I.want results! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted June 3, 2012 Author Share Posted June 3, 2012 new policy is that even if i write postgame, i'm not posting until haphazard's is up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Oh I see how it is probably better that way, I don't need to be told I suck once again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted June 3, 2012 Author Share Posted June 3, 2012 manix u suk The best advice I can give you is still not to fakeclaim Watcher as Rolecop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 I have duly noted that. I will not be making that mistake again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aere Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Nooooooooooooooo I need to be told how much I did wrong!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riariadne Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 new policy is that even if i write postgame, i'm not posting until haphazard's is up not fair :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Post game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 new policy is that even if i write postgame, i'm not posting until haphazard's is up Haphazard's is up now postgame toastgame post office Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 after finals are over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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