Quintessence Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 (edited) Lyn Mode will just make early game units far better and reliable, but in terms of TC, there won't be a huge difference between those who get Fiora/Lowen/Heath (considering HNM alone not LHM+HNM). I'd say like 1 or 3 turns, I'm lazy to do maths, and also, I don't know some of the strats most of you use with some units like Rath, HEath, for example. EDIT: However, considering LHM+HNM, there would be somewhat a nice difference of TC between 1st, 2nd & 3rd drafter and 4th & 5th. Applying LHM on this tier list: Sain and Kent would be so good to go to best high tier units? Like being above Fiora? At least, above BLOWEN Lucius and Erk would be above Heath? I've never used Heath, so I'm a bit ignorant on this part. Or would they stay on mid tier? Rath, imo, would stay there where he is, he'll be getting like one level on LHM and I don't know if he contributes anything special on Lyn mode. Lyn would move up, at least above Matthew. I don't know what matthew/thieves contribute so I won't touch them :p Dorcas above Dart? Serra above Hawkeye? Above who? Lol Wil Lol Wallace EDIT 2: Conclusion, leave it as is Edited October 24, 2012 by Quintessence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 You would just kill Rath, so he comes back with B-Bows. He'd be exactly as useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Don't let Boron hear you. :P Also, Rath is like one of the three mounts who can rescue promoted Hector, so he's pretty useful for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 It's ironic that the last two posts are what I enter this thread and see. I don't really do drafts anymore, so I'm not going to say much. But Rath's ability to rescue anyone, high enough con to avoid being weighed down too much, good strength and speed growth, and excellent speed cap really help. Not sure if you guys are counting Lyn's mode and stuff. But honestly ... Brave Bow isn't THAT necessary. I've never used it in drafts (or any other Brave weapon, honestly). It doesn't take that long for Rath to get B bows the hard way anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted October 24, 2012 Author Share Posted October 24, 2012 Rath->useless. Does not compute. Does not compute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 PKL, you probably forgot to take into account Uhai is on a forest tile, haha He has 33HP/12Def, +1 from a forest tile anyone with 15str and silverlance/horseslayer does 15+14+1 against him, (30total) 30-13= 17, which is the number you need for the 2hko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted October 24, 2012 Author Share Posted October 24, 2012 (edited) Ah, right. Derp. Also, couple of changes. I think list is a lot more accurate now. -Top- Florina -High- Fiora Lowen Sain Kent Heath -Mid- Lucius Erk Canas Pent Oswin Eliwood Rath Isadora Priscilla Farina Dart Matthew Dorcas Raven -Low- Hawkeye Serra Lyn Guy Bartre/Karla Louise Jaffar Legault Rebecca Wil Vaida -Bottom- Nino Wallace Harken Karel Renault Geitz Wil above vaida. Vaida comes too late and is just filler. Wil's chip can actually help a lot and he exists for a whole lot of time. Bartre/Karla all the way up to above Louise. Bartre is an earlygame unit. Mind, a really bad one. But he can still help get the village in 13 and do some other random secondary objectives. Rath over Isadora. Priscilla over Farina. Priscilla can warp, Farina cant even ferry promoted Hector or do much but have amazing combat and possible save a single turn in Cog of Destiny. Dorcas above Raven. Dorcas can actually do something in earlygame like Bartre. Has better bases to boot and can save a single turn in Chapter 17 by killing the boss with Hammer. Raven is just a foot unit that doesnt do anything special. Hawkeye and Serra above Lyn. Lyn is like Raven, in that shes just a foot unit that does nothing special. Mani Katti gives her a niche in bosskilling, but thats about it. Serra on the other hand, can get Warp and hawkeye just has amazing bases, more move in the snow and helps a lot in Crazed Beast. EDIT: Wait no, Horace, you forgot WTA. Edited October 24, 2012 by PKL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 anyone with 15str and silverlance/horseslayer does 15+14+1 against him, (30total) no i didnt' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 (edited) I can see Serra over Hawkeye. Yes, Hawkeye has great bases and is useful from his joining chapter all the way to the end of the game (not to mention he helps a lot in Crazed Beast), but Serra has warp access and doesn't exist for only one chapter. Plus, she leans toward Kenneth's map, and her growths are good enough to make sure she has adequate warp range. She's useful for a lot of chapters during endgame, while Hawkeye only has a couple. After that, from my experience, he's filler. EDIT: Maybe not a lot of chapters during endgame, since only 30, 32, 32x, and Final come to mind, but she contributes more than Hawkeye. Edited October 24, 2012 by ZM456 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted October 24, 2012 Author Share Posted October 24, 2012 (edited) I can see Serra over Hawkeye. Yes, Hawkeye has great bases and is useful from his joining chapter all the way to the end of the game (not to mention he helps a lot in Crazed Beast), but Serra has warp access and doesn't exist for only one chapter. Plus, she leans toward Kenneth's map, and her growths are good enough to make sure she has adequate warp range. She's useful for a lot of chapters during endgame, while Hawkeye only has a couple. After that, from my experience, he's filler. Serra has the problem of being extremely underleveled though. Her growths can also betray. A 10/6 Serra (which is the most realistic) only averages like 10 magic. That's 5 warp range which is hardly useful. I think I'll actually bump Hawkeye over Raven too. Edited October 24, 2012 by PKL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Its feasible to get Serra to promotion by chapter 26, and then she gains levels like wildfire due to exp bonuses. But yeah typically her warp range sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk King Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 ^ The horseslayer will do more than the silver lance since the +1 from the WTA is added before the x2 effective might. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted October 24, 2012 Author Share Posted October 24, 2012 What's a good level estimate for Serra by the time warp is neccesary then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Thanks Hawk King, I goofed haha I had serra at like 12/16 after cog in my last draft, but her stats were above average, and I got Genesis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 (edited) In the 2nd tier list draft, she was 10/14 (or 15 or 16. I don't remember) after CoD, but she got the Afa's drops and had high stats all around. Edited October 24, 2012 by ZM456 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Next, I guess it'd be funny if Dorcas turns out to be the best hero-crest user ........ You guys. It'd be funny if Hawkeye>Serra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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