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a majority of women are sub, and of them apparently a significant minority is very much turned on when they say no and you do yes. (within limits certain limits of course). Not that I'd personally do that with a girl I wasn't in a steady relationship with, though.

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a majority of women are sub, and of them apparently a significant minority is very much turned on when they say no and you do yes. (within limits certain limits of course). Not that I'd personally do that with a girl I wasn't in a steady relationship with, though.

No. You don't fucking do it. Unless you've actually agreed on some alternate form of consent you don't fucking take that risk. "Apparently" my ass. Consent is important. You sit down and shut up and take no for an answer.

You don't take any goddamn chances that maybe that no really was a yes if you don't know it for a fact.

Bullshit like "no means yes" HURTS PEOPLE.

Not sorry that I'm angry. At all.

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No. You don't fucking do it. Unless you've actually agreed on some alternate form of consent you don't fucking take that risk. "Apparently" my ass. Consent is important. You sit down and shut up and take no for an answer.

You don't take any goddamn chances that maybe that no really was a yes if you don't know it for a fact.

Bullshit like "no means yes" HURTS PEOPLE.

Not sorry that I'm angry. At all.

Obviously not the significant minority Excellen was talking about

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Now does "no means yes" hurt people more or less than dangerous menaces to society? Or could people who subscribe to that theory, in fact, be named dangerous menaces to society?!

I think this is worth pondering.

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excellen you fucking ruined my thread

"i just wanted... to post a joke i found on the internet......" - psych, as he watches his thread turn into a battleground for discussion of rape culture

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Just to deliver some proof to my claim:

http://uk.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top10-female-sex-fantasies_3.html (note that the author is a female)

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I think we all know what Excellen frequents askmen.com for.

And why he won't be available tonight.

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You know what happens when you assume no means yes and it turns out it didn't? At best, you wind up doing something your partner wasn't really into. At worst, you've just committed sexual assault or rape. IS THAT A RISK YOU ARE WILLING TO TAKE? Because some women have said that they're into that, IS THAT A RISK YOU ARE WILLING TO TAKE WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOUR PARTNER ACTUALLY WANTS IT? It's one thing if you've discussed what your partner wants, and have some alternate way of signalling an actual, earnest no. BUT RISKING IT IS NOT FUCKING WORTH IT.

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I think we all know what Excellen frequents askmen.com for.

And why he won't be available tonight.

SERVICING MALES, LADIES, COUPLES, AND SINGLES THROUGH OUT INDIA

Hawt I can't w8 till I go to India...

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BITCH YOU THINK I DON'T KNOW THE RISKS OF FORCING SEX WITH A GIRL

shit

sorry for the language

anyway, if she ever decided she wanted to ruin my life or anything, she could just say I raped her and whether everyone I know wants to or not, they'd have to socially lynch me, maybe even beat me up and I'd probably be thrown into jail even though there isn't a shred of proof except for her word.

Which is why I would never do it with a girl I wasn't in a steady relationship with like I already said. And I actually have sexual control, even when drunk and horny. (and although I'm definitely dom, I'm less dom than most men and don't like the idea of forced sex. I wouldn't do it unless it's with a girl I really care about)

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If you're working off guesswork to the extent you're talking about, I think you're at risk of doing something horrible to someone else, regardless of whether and how you get shat on as a result, even if you've been in a relationship with this person for some time, and it's also a bit weird that your first concern seems to be about yourself with this kinda thing. (you know, the way your second post assumes you wouldn't "make a mistake," but the girl in question would be interested in ruining your life)

And I don't get the feeling you're talking about roleplay with previously agreed rules or something like that.

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If you're working off guesswork to the extent you're talking about, I think you're at risk of doing something horrible to someone else, regardless of whether and how you get shat on as a result, even if you've been in a relationship with this person for some time, and it's also a bit weird that your first concern seems to be about yourself with this kinda thing. (you know, the way your second post assumes you wouldn't "make a mistake," but the girl in question would be interested in ruining your life)

And I don't get the feeling you're talking about roleplay with previously agreed rules or something like that.

You're missing the thought behind my post in reaction to kdanger. She was staying superficial, so I decided to stay superficial as well. In all of it's actuality I don't see myself feeling anything but crippling guilt after forcing sex with a girl and I'd probably be too ashamed to look her in the eye. I suppose I won't ever have as much control over my sexual urges as women do, but that doesn't mean I'm completely without defense mechanisms either.

Also to be honest I wasn't quite sure what I meant to say with my first post other than "no means no" is really a grey, highly confusing area you will want to spend time thinking and/or arguing about to try and figure out where you stand in it.

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