47948201 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I'm quite positive I wouldn't be the first to think of this, but I dunno how I'd put this sort of thing in the search box xP Basically, I was wondering if Grima is Medeus. It's said that the first Exalt used Falchion to seal away Grima a thousand years ago, and if at 1000 years Nowi looks as she does now, I'm guessing Tiki's around 2000, so a thousand years ago she'd've looked like Nowi, which she did during Marth's time. Sorry if my runon was confusing ^-^; But while I'm at it, about that Falchion: I read somewhere that its new design was explained somewhere in the game, but I must've missed it. Why does it look so different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Reggie Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 It's explained in one of Lucina's convos (I can't remember exactly which, might have been Owain's) that Falchion's hilt has been replaced many times (which explains why it looks different), and it's really just the blade itself that's been the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I'm kind of in a hurry, but this is right up my alley, so... Grima is suggested to be an Earth Dragon descendant in the Knights of Iris book. Beyond that, it's complete speculation. Marth existed 2000 years before Awakening (Tiki is actually 3000). The first Exalt apparently existed 1000 years ago, so they probably aren't the same person. The Falchion's guard is occasionally recrafted after it gets damaged. The blade (and the Fire Emblem) has the ability to repair itself. So that's why its whole appearance can change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47948201 Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share Posted February 19, 2013 Oh, whoop, I guess that's what happens when I try to guess the age of an anime-style character xP But anyway thanks, very informative! So I wonder if there'll end up being a game centered around the first Exalt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) Ah well, ninja'd. A game about the first Exalt could be interesting. Edited February 19, 2013 by Acacia Sgt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just call me AL Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) Just some Wild Mass Guessing here on my part, but I'm of the opinion that Grima is a result of a mass fusion that occurred within the Dragon's Table. Going off of what Vincent said, The Knights of Iris book states that he's a descendant of the Earth Dragons. But I don't recall anyone knowing whether or not his connection to the dragons in question was specified. Not to mention, the Binding Shield's purpose was changed. What caused that to happen? One thing I can think of is that the negative energies present within the Earth Dragons at the Table happened to pool and meld into one, creating Grima, and possibly nullifying the sealing properties of the shield. Whether Medeus, Loptous, or both, happened to be caught within that mass fusion remains to be seen. Edited February 21, 2013 by Little Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramy Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Oh, whoop, I guess that's what happens when I try to guess the age of an anime-style character xP But anyway thanks, very informative! So I wonder if there'll end up being a game centered around the first Exalt... Prequel away!! Not like that has happened before XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crixler Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) The hilt's been replaced more than once? That could mean the pre-Shadow Dragon design might actually even still be a canon version of the sword, just from a different time period. That's nifty. Also, I would love to see a game about the first Exalt. Edited February 19, 2013 by Crixler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Red Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I dunno, I feel like I've had enough of the usual "USE THE FIRE EMBLEM TO BEAT THE DRAGON" kind of story from FE1/3/11/12/13 and with similar functions of beating some ancient beast/villain who's reemergence they were trying to stop (pretty much every Fire Emblem game ever), I'd like to see something a little unique. That being said, it's too bad we didn't get much insight into the First Exalt and Grima and stuff... :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbot Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Doesn't the Cordelia/Donny C Support mention Caeda as someone who fought for the first exalt? Wouldn't that mean that Marth was the first exalt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Not Caeda, but somebody like Caeda. Personally, I have a theory that the pegasus knight was Marth's descendant and the last Archanean royal, while the first Exalt wasn't Marth's descendant, but Ike's. That could also explain how Chrom is able to learn Aether, while Priam isn't. That said, I haven't read enough about the game to be sure. I do know that it's extremely unlikely that Marth is the first Exalt. None of the timing matches and everybody calls Marth the Hero-King and never the first Exalt. Similarly, they always talk about the first Exalt, but never refer to the name Marth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruity Insanity Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I dunno, I feel like I've had enough of the usual "USE THE FIRE EMBLEM TO BEAT THE DRAGON" kind of story from FE1/3/11/12/13 and with similar functions of beating some ancient beast/villain who's reemergence they were trying to stop (pretty much every Fire Emblem game ever), I'd like to see something a little unique. Have I had enough of Pokemon's "Train a team of six Pokemon and beat 8 gym leaders and the Pokemon League to become the Pokemon champion, while, at the same time, beat some evil gangster team trying to take advantage of Pokemon"? Well, fine, I have, but still... Pokemon has never released a main-franchise (as in not anything that doesn't come in colors or precious minerals) that made me say, "I'm not getting the game." Fire Emblem repeats the theme (over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again), but I still like it. I still love it. Unique or not, I'm fine with the game. ^^ Not Caeda, but somebody like Caeda. Personally, I have a theory that the pegasus knight was Marth's descendant and the last Archanean royal, while the first Exalt wasn't Marth's descendant, but Ike's. That could also explain how Chrom is able to learn Aether, while Priam isn't. That said, I haven't read enough about the game to be sure. I do know that it's extremely unlikely that Marth is the first Exalt. None of the timing matches and everybody calls Marth the Hero-King and never the first Exalt. Similarly, they always talk about the first Exalt, but never refer to the name Marth. It's Shiida!!! B-but, Tiki's conversation with MU says that he's a descendant of the Hero-King Marth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 B-but, Tiki's conversation with MU says that he's a descendant of the Hero-King Marth! You mean "he" as in Chrom right? I'm not sure which part you're replying to : P I kind of forgot to end my theory clearly--Marth's pegasus descendant would marry the first Exalt, so Chrom would be a descendant of both. Of course, this is still a totally random theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruity Insanity Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 You mean "he" as in Chrom right? I'm not sure which part you're replying to : P I kind of forgot to end my theory clearly--Marth's pegasus descendant would marry the first Exalt, so Chrom would be a descendant of both. Of course, this is still a totally random theory. Whoops. Wasn't so clear on that, was I? :P Yeah, I meant Chrom. And oooooh. Okay, now I get it. It suddenly makes a whole lot more sense. :) Theories are theories, of course, but what's Fire Emblem (or most other video games) without a big of imagination??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just call me AL Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 You mean "he" as in Chrom right? I'm not sure which part you're replying to : P I kind of forgot to end my theory clearly--Marth's pegasus descendant would marry the first Exalt, so Chrom would be a descendant of both. Of course, this is still a totally random theory. Didn't the First Exhalt use Falchion against Grima? That's the problem I have with that theory. That is unless if the blood-bonding with Naga was done to grant him access to that weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Thinking on that theory makes me wonder if perhaps the situation is actually in reverse. With the Exalt being Marth's descendant, and the PK as Priam's descendant. On the other hand, I wonder if Aether is really a Skill that gets inherited across generations... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I think you mean "Priam being the pegasus knight's descendent" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRei Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Could be that the First Exalt is the child of Ike's decendant and Marth's decendant, who also happened to have a sibling. One became the First Exalt and wielded Falchion. The other went on to do unknown things while wielding Ragnell. At some point the paths of the two siblings diverged such that you get Chrom, the Prince, and Priam, the Nomad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) You mean "he" as in Chrom right? I'm not sure which part you're replying to : P I kind of forgot to end my theory clearly--Marth's pegasus descendant would marry the first Exalt, so Chrom would be a descendant of both. Of course, this is still a totally random theory. Of course it's gotta be both descendants. How else is he able to wield the Falchion and have the Aether skill? ----- I'd like to believe that Grima is actually Medith. Medith has been behind 2 eras completely. And now I must further investigate if Grima is actually Medeus. Because this will tell that Marth's desendants has thwarted his ambitions yet again for the third time! This is getting to be like the Mother series. =D I also made a topic about this at FEPlanet of The curse of the Shadow Dragon! http://forums.feplanet.net/index.php?showtopic=34898&st=0&p=579015entry579015 Edited February 19, 2013 by Katarina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Lopto as Medeus huh. Was there any evidence of it beyond that quote...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) Lopto as Medeus huh. Was there any evidence of it beyond that quote...? Didn't want to reveal spoilers then. And both of these bosses can saw Str in half. The skills that Julius has is ideal for Medeus. Seliph is Marth's decendant and now Chrom is too. Edited February 19, 2013 by Katarina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Didn't want to reveal spoilers then. And both of these bosses can saw Str in half. The skills that Julius has is ideal for Medeus. Seliph is Marth's decendant and now Chrom is too. No, Seliph is not Marth's descendant. In fact, the events of Jugdral happened before the ones of Akaneia. What Lopto mentions as being thwarted again by Naga he's referring to the Miracle of Darna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sartek Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) Seliph would be Marth's ancestor, if memory serves FE4 takes place way before FE1/3. Edit: Busted TT Edited February 19, 2013 by Sartek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 What about Anri? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) http://www.serenesforest.net/general/timeline.html#fe4 Marth' era actually happend long before Judgral. His era happened in - of the years B.C while Judgral happened in the after years as you notice no minus on their years. Marth's story happened 24 years before Judgral. End Of Math's 1st game era 605 - Medeus is defeated by Prince Marth, and the Dolunian Empire collapses. - End of the War of Shadows (600-605). Gaiden 590 - Alpine Arum Rudolf is born - Cellica is born - Maisen takes Arum and Cellica to Ram Village 600 - Cellica is relocated to the monastery at Nova 604 - Mila's disappearance, Sofia's harvest begins to deteriorate - Rigel conquers Sofia 605 - Zeak washes up at Barensia and is saved by Rudolf I (Right here happens a year later after the war of shadows while Alphine Alm Rudolf was born 14 years before the "War Of Shadows") 606 - Arum joins the liberation army to defeat Rigel - Cellica leaves Nova to find the Earth Goddess Mila - Arum's army conquers the Kingdom of Rigel - Arum and Cellica defeat the Dark God Doma 607 - Zeak leaves Barensia Holy War 632 - Miracle of Darna - The gods descend and grant power to twelve fighters - Birth of the Twelve Crusaders 633 - Start of the Holy War 648 - Fall of the Loputo Empire - The Twelve Crusaders form seven dukedoms of Grandbell and five seperate kingdoms Archanea's Era Between years 600-609 Judgral's Era Between years 633-649 http://www.serenesforest.net/general/timeline.html#fe4 Timelines The evidence speaks for itself. =) And they both can saw attack in half. Edited February 19, 2013 by Katarina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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