charlie_ Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Only a single child makes them a lot worse imo, since it limits them to essentially just Avatar and Lucina for supports. It also means that Male Avatar can't recruit one of his kids, if you do it that way. Two or three plus Lucina is probably doable in any run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroMystic Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 FE Lunatic Tier Usable Tier (in no particular order) Avatar Frederick Wyvern!Panne Nowi (by extension gregor) Anna Libra Cordelia Tiki maaaybe one or two I forgot Avatar's Bestie Tier Chrom Unusable Tier everyone else As a person who is playing Lunatic Mode right at this very moment, this is entirely untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 (edited) As a person who is playing Lunatic Mode right at this very moment, this is entirely untrue. I have to agree with the other guy you quoted, while some of the others are usable in a sense, theyre not worth it and will fall behind anyways so theres no point. Some are only good for their pair up bonus, etc. Though he forgot to mention Lissa, who is actually crucial to saving Ricken and Maribelle. EDIT: I wouldnt agree Lucina and Morgan arent viable though, thats just wtf Edited April 30, 2013 by Peekayell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Maribell and Ricken don't matter a whole lot in Lunatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 (edited) Maribell and Ricken don't matter a whole lot in Lunatic. If youre not a completionist sure, but I usually recruit everyone unless Im LTC'ing. Makes me feel better. Edited April 30, 2013 by Peekayell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Considering this is a tier list thread, do they matter that much in this environment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 In time, I think a Lunatic list will work just as well as any other. We just need to get a better grasp on the mode and how to tier this game properly. In theory, yes. In actual practice, however, I think some people would be intimidated away from contributing (yours truly included), and thus, there wouldn't really be much chance for meaningful discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fir Coat Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 (edited) Saving Ricken gives you an early Elwind, so there is that.Also, Virion, Sully, Vaike, Sumia, Lon'qu, Kellam, etc. all can see heavy use as pair-up partners on Lunatic and a few can even function as characters. Edited April 30, 2013 by IsAnthraxBayad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Trading gives it to you as well though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fir Coat Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Trading gives it to you as well though. You still need to get to him before he takes several axes to the face though. That's why Lissa + Rescue is helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Dead dude's equipment goes to the convoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interceptor Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 ^ This is how I get the Killer Axe from Libra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 If you want it that bad, Sumia!Fred can fly up, switch, and trade it off to give it to Miriel/Avatar later on. Same with Maribelle's Mend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Sending one of Ricken/Mariabelle up to die actually speeds up Chapter 5 so it's not even that crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aku chi Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 FYI: Henry was one of my most valuable units in my brisk, no-grind Lunatic playthrough. He had a slow start (literally and figuratively), but he dominated most of the lategame chapters. A Dark Flier Sumia pair-up works wonders for him. And, of course, Nosferatu is too darn good. I think a Lunatic tier list is inevitable. The chief problem, in my mind, is not that most units have no value, but that the early chapters are so inflexible. I anticipate a bunch of uninteresting debate on the best way to distribute exp in these early chapters (along with inevitable quarrels regarding how much reliability matters). Where is Seven Deadly Sins? Sumia & Cordelia > Lon'qu seems unanimous, and Vaike > Miriel seems to have a lot of support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I think a Lunatic tier list is inevitable. The chief problem, in my mind, is not that most units have no value, but that the early chapters are so inflexible. I anticipate a bunch of uninteresting debate on the best way to distribute exp in these early chapters (along with inevitable quarrels regarding how much reliability matters). Where is Seven Deadly Sins? Sumia & Cordelia > Lon'qu seems unanimous, and Vaike > Miriel seems to have a lot of support. I think real life might be holding SDS down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fir Coat Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 (edited) Dead dude's equipment goes to the convoy. Well now I know, I didn't realize they had brought that over from the DS games. Makes sense though. Edited April 30, 2013 by IsAnthraxBayad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Because that Second Seal isn't there all the time, in comparison to the Second Seals you can get, which means you may not get it in the time needed to make that difference be worth anything. How is a Second Seal that exists only sometimes because the Merchant might not sell one any different from a Second Seal that exists only sometimes because Panne is using it? I don't see how it makes any difference at all with respect to Miriel's situation. Either way, Miriel is depending on a Seal that is sometimes available to her to use and sometimes not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Bear Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 (edited) Why is Frederick so high? Giving him experience early-game hurts your team and S tier because he gives good pair up boosts early on doesn't seem right to me If he doesn't get early EXP then he drops off pretty fast and falls behind the rest of your team even faster. I'm just not seeing S tier for him. Edited April 30, 2013 by bearclaw13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 (edited) Because him falling off is a myth. And probably because hes an amazing unit. Edited April 30, 2013 by Peekayell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interceptor Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 It's not a myth, he does fall off (or otherwise take an absurd amount of resources) once promoted enemies start showing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Bear Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Because him falling off is a myth. And probably because hes an amazing unit. It's not a myth if you use him equally with the rest of your team.. And how is he an amazing unit? His higher bases aren't that great in a game where your team will be getting 5-6 stat level ups more often then not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fir Coat Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Because him falling off is a myth. And probably because hes an amazing unit. This isn't, strictly speaking, true. He does fall off eventually, but it takes a very long time and he can skill be an excellent pair-up unit due to the Move +1 and Dual Guard+ so the EXP isn't wasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercuryHg34 Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Check out Interceptor's playlog, it details Frederick's usefulness as a primary member of the party throughout hard mode quite well. If it wasn't in his it was in GrandJackal's playlog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 (edited) Ive used him for all game and he ORKO'd forever in LTC If a unit can do that in LTC, he would probably be better in a normal playthrough. He only really "fell off" in endgame. Just give him a sumia pair up. It's not theory, Ive done it and Horace has done it. Edited April 30, 2013 by Peekayell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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