ZemZem Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I was kidding. :P I agree that Cherche's SPD shouldn't be held against her because fixing it in her joining chapter isn't too hard to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) The chapter 12 cavaliers have 23-24 attack with steel swords, 24-25 attack with lances, and the armours have 26-27 attack with steel lances, and 20-21 with javelins (including the weapon rank bonuses), and if I'm right here, don't gain any more due to wta since you need B rank for that. Cherche has 31hp/16 def, so its 4-5HKO'd by cavs (depending on statrolls and weapon) and armours actually have a shot at 3hko'ing her, but it's likely a 4hko. Javelins don't really matter. The paladins have like 31-32 attack, so its a boarderline 2hko or a very sad Cherche with 1HP. They have 16-17 speed, but it's safe to assume she's getting at least one speed from pairup to avoid getting doubled. Thats all withough pairup mind you. I should really finish getting the enemy stats... Horace, you're the best~! After doing a bit of checking, the pair-up that'll give Cherche a decent spread of stats is. . .Mercenary. Gregor. It'll give her more than enough Speed to avoid being doubled, and she gets a bit of Defense off of it, which ups her durability to 31/18 (assuming I read the pair up bonuses right), which doesn't change much except for the lance cavaliers, at full power, become a solid 5HKO. Armors are forced to 4HKO, and the Silver guys can no longer guarantee a 2HKO. Stahl/Frederick can also provide a good chunk of beefiness for slightly less Speed. Anyway, screw those Armors. They were the ones that kept killing Cherche for no reason. It's not because of bias. Nowai has 5 spd base and 50 growth and no promo gain on it. Gregor also deserves it because he has no viable way of ORKO'ing enemies and thus get exp. Cherche is in another league, dont even compare. I first started complaining with Stahl and Vaike, and haven't let up since. Edited June 14, 2013 by eclipse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I didnt have the RTU back then. I wouldve complained for Stahl and Vika. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Vaike, you mean. Stahl and Vaike start off with pretty low base SPD, though, unlike Cherche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 But they also have availability to fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Bear Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 They can fix it much easier thanks to availability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 And Stahl likes use of the Renown speedwings, if we consider use of it. I was just throwing that out there, since Stahl and Vaike can get SPD screwed as easily as they can get SPD blessed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Bear Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I was just throwing that out there, since Stahl and Vaike can get SPD screwed as easily as they can get SPD blessed. Cherche has the same problem. As does Nowi and everyone seemed to be assuming she was screwed in their rankings of her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Cherche has the same problem. As does Nowi and everyone seemed to be assuming she was screwed in their rankings of her. Obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 You could've complained here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I didn't need to read ratings before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) I was kidding. :P He may have been kidding, but I wasn't. PKL, unless you're saying eclipse's rating (and anyone else who took similar issues with her) is wrong, then what exactly is the problem? Edited June 14, 2013 by Sangyul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I'm just saying that her spd issues are way overblown. Eclipse's rating was actually pretty high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Then they'll need to put out their arguments. I gave the logic behind my rating only! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwall Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) I don't understand your concern about high variance, eclipse. If my math is right, the variance for a 60% growth is 0.24, and the variance for a 50% growth is 0.25. Not really a big difference, imo. I think the only competitive character for whom Speed is a problem is Nowi, though her problem is mitigated if she gets enough P4 kills. With a C-support from Cordelia and *no* Spd Tonic, after 16 gained level-ups Stahl (and Vaike) has a 77.28% of doubling the Cavs in C12. A Spd Tonic pushes this higher, and if worse comes to worst, Stahl can just cross his fingers for a good level-up during the enemy phase. Edited June 14, 2013 by Redwall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I don't understand your concern about high variance, eclipse. If my math is right, the variance for a 60% growth is 0.24, and the variance for a 50% growth is 0.25. Not really a big difference, imo. I think the only competitive character for whom Speed is a problem is Nowi, though her problem is mitigated if she gets enough P4 kills. With a C-support from Cordelia and *no* Spd Tonic, after 16 gained level-ups Stahl (and Vaike) has a 77.28% of doubling the Cavs in C12. A Spd Tonic pushes this higher, and if worse comes to worst, Stahl can just cross his fingers for a good level-up during the enemy phase. It's because it's up to a coin flip, and Awakening flippin' hates me in that regard. It's a personal dislike of mine, which is why it reflects in my ratings. RTU is opinion-based, so my opinions will draw off of things like "how often did I have to reset because someone died to something stupid" and "how often was this character pushed down to low priority because their growths didn't kick in". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) Anyone can explain how Sumia x Henry compares to Sumia x Chrom and Sumia x Fred if she want to uses Magic? In my experience, Sumia does nice enough damage before her hubby(mainly Chrom) doestheirs, and this is usually enough to get a kill. IMO Caster Sumia x Henry is less efficient than Fred and Chrom because both of them can play with several killer weapons, Silvers etc. This is particularly useful for Yarne's paralogue general route, because Sumia murdered the Beast Squad with BK Chrom Also Aether Cynthia is gdlk Also, how good is Henry with DF Sumia pair? Edited June 14, 2013 by I have a Dragon Boner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 The only real difference is that Sumia will probably just flat out orko without the need for dual attacks, which are probably happening anyway. SumiaHenry is definately a better pairing for Henry than it is for Sumia though, since upon getting like a B support and a promotion he's pretty much an 8 move 1-2 range orko'ing machine that never dies, although that applies to a large majority of the cast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamanoir Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 By the way, PKL, who will be the next RTU ? DO you keep children for last, or do you do the other ones first ? Will we do each different pairings, or just a general note ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Wouldn't the next one by Say'ri? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folt Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 The only real difference is that Sumia will probably just flat out orko without the need for dual attacks, which are probably happening anyway. SumiaHenry is definately a better pairing for Henry than it is for Sumia though, since upon getting like a B support and a promotion he's pretty much an 8 move 1-2 range orko'ing machine that never dies, although that applies to a large majority of the cast. Seriously, the Dual Strike rate is higher than I expected, whether Sumia was the main unit or the supporting unit of the pair. Which is incidentally why I love using the pair: Together, they tear shit up! (Well, there's also the fact that Tharja died on me more than I would have liked during the Valm arc and in the lategame.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Chrom and Sumia has like.... 90% DS chance when Henry joined last I checked >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folt Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Chrom and Sumia has like.... 90% DS chance when Henry joined last I checked >_> Henry/Sumia makes up for that by possessing a somewhat high Dual Strike chance anyways. Henry's and Sumia's high Skill goes a long way to make the pair-up viable for Valm (and once you're finished with Valm, they should have caught up a bit, Support-wise). Not to mention that once you get B Support, the chances of a Dual Strike proc rate begins to favor you. That, and Chrom's Dual Strike+ skill means he gets a little bit more freedom regarding who he pairs up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) Whoops Edited June 14, 2013 by I have a Dragon Boner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folt Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) Isn;t Henry's skill actually.... uhhh.... low? 15 Skill at base + 60% Skill growth rate means he'll proc skill more often than not, and get it well above 30 Skill on average. Furthermore, no Support Henry/Sumia with Sumia recently promoted to Dark Flier has around 30% Dual Strike proc rate on average, and that is a decent proc base to build and improve upon at that point in time if your Henry is seeing a fair amount of combat. EDIT: Oops! Miscalculated a bit. Still, my point stands. Edited June 14, 2013 by Folt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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