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[AnonymousSpeed]

So may I send in a team for testing this?

[Quintessence]

So may I send in a team for testing this?

Not yet imo, we haven't agreed on many things because we're attending other games at the moment.

[Da Bear]

Masteries I think can stay, and royals if limited to one.

After all, we didn't ban them in FE9 and by proportion I find them more powerful in that game.

Masteries are just no.

Naesala doubles the entire cast but this time he has better attack, Tibarn has more skill for activations and doubles all but Naesala , Cain has massive strength and earth support, Nailah is good all around (the beasts might be able to get through I GUESS). Also, they all have the best skill pool so massive op skill combos are easy.

Also, Tides are iffy and -slayer skills make laguz incredibly weak imo.

Wow cut hard.

Edited January 25, 2014 by bearclaw13

[AnonymousSpeed]

Masteries are just no.

Naesala doubles the entire cast but this time he has better attack, Tibarn has more skill for activations and doubles all but Naesala , Cain has massive strength and earth support, Nailah is good all around (the beasts might be able to get through I GUESS). Also, they all have the best skill pool so massive op skill combos are easy.

Also, Tides are iffy and -slayer skills make laguz incredibly weak imo.

This statement contradicts itself because according to you these laguz are to powerful, yet certain skills make the incredibly weak.

And you can't say 'just no,' that's not how this works.

UNRELATED EDIT: I'd like to propose we allow the brave sword in FE6. All other braves are allowed and we have considered using enemy only weapons before (I.E Uber Spear, which is far more broken)

Edited January 25, 2014 by AnonymousSpeed

[Ema Skye]

How can you obtain a Brave Sword though?

Uber Spear can be obtained through the Mine Glitch.

[AnonymousSpeed]

Isn't there an enemy control glitch in FE6 or am I just being stupid?

[PKL]

The royals in FE10 are a lot more powerful than in FE9 by a lot.

[Da Bear]

1) Masteries can be balanced by removing its "critical" effects.

2) They can be nerfed. Although their susceptibility to magic might be a nice way to deal with them, plus Resolve. Nihil needs treatment though. The idea, imo, is seeing the diversity in skills and activation rather than lolRoyals stomping everything.

3) There are only 2 Pavise scrolls (one removable from Tibarn) and I'm pretty positive Resolve doesn't increase skill in terms of activation rate. I don't know if Resolve affects this, although I know Resolve activates before Wrath/Masteries.

1 acceptable.

2. Well the birds would be weakest to Soren (lol no @Bastian), who they will just counterkill, same with the beasts (Cain might take two turns because his speed is awful compared to the rest but he's the most durable otherwise so) and Calill. Magic would not be the answer.

3. Resolve boosts skill. Skills that activate off it get better (resolve activates as the first thing so you have the skill activations after the skill boost (unless I'm missing something).

Nihil is fine imo.

@anon: first to clear this up, when I say laguz I mean non-royals (this is a general rule of me). Royals weren't included in that part of the post, if we allow royals I would say yes to slayers as a possible counter (it's not that bad either way but I thought I'd bring it up).

[dondon151]

Isn't there an enemy control glitch in FE6 or am I just being stupid?

i'd suspect that the most likely candidates are trap tiles, but enemy control in FE6 is largely untested. if you can get it to work in chapter 21x (which has both trap tiles and fog of war), and if you can get an enemy to give his items to the supply, then the brave sword is obtainable.

EDIT: if deadeye also gives a passive accuracy boost in this game, a sniper or reaver with arbalest can drop every single flier except for maxed out tibarn, and leo and boyd can OHKO tibarn if their support partner also gives +atk.

Edited January 25, 2014 by dondon151

[AnonymousSpeed]

i'd suspect that the most likely candidates are trap tiles, but enemy control in FE6 is largely untested. if you can get it to work in chapter 21x (which has both trap tiles and fog of war), and if you can get an enemy to give his items to the supply, then the brave sword is obtainable.

Well, convoluted and difficult sounding...but a Brave Sword's a Brave Sword, right?

[dondon151]

yes, but you'd have to test it out. FE6 isn't as well explored, and there isn't as much benefit to enemy control in that game as their is in FE7. the issue with FE6 trap tiles is that iirc, they don't trip when an enemy moves over them (rather, they trip at the end of a turn).

Edited January 25, 2014 by dondon151

[Quintessence]

For example: Capped Beastfoe!Marksmen deal 105 dmg with Double Bow

Nailah gets sniped for 65/70

Lions for 59/80

Tibarn gets 65/75

Nestling 71/70 #dead

Dragons are still threatening but much less than royals.

After said dmg, Royals can be finished. They're OP and can OHKO Archsages but hey we can have a special treatment for them, like only one Royal per team. I don't think they should be banned though.

Also:

Mastery Skills

• Aether - it can stay as is
• Savage - half enemy skl
• Rend - same as stun
• Roar - same as stun
• Ire - what can we do? Triple dmg
• Astra - 5 attcks with halved dmg
• Impale - omg lol, ideas?
• Luna - GBA tome
• Sol - GBA Nosferatu
• Flare - Luna, dunno if you guys want Luna+Sol effect
• Corona - GBA luna and halve acc
• Bane - no changes
• Lethality
• Stun - no triple dmg
• Deadeye - Sleep
• Colossus - Triple str
• Tear - halve enemy sp

What do you guys say?

[PKL]

Royals can just run Nullify gg

[Ema Skye]

For reference, these are the FE10 averages. Laguz stats are the untransformed stats.

Unit          HP     STR     MAG     SKL     SPE     LCK     DEF    RES
Micaiah       44     19      40      33      30      40      21     40
Edward        55     32      9       40      40      30      26     17
Leonardo      55     33      14      40      32      30      27     25
Nolan         54     37      10      36      35      30      29     20
Laura         45     22      38      30      31      37      21     33
Sothe         50     28      16      38      39      35      24     24
Ilyana        45     24      38      34      30      24      24     35
Aran          56     35      11      35      31      24      34     21
Meg           60     34      15      32      32      30      34     32
Volug         70     17      6       21      18      35      13     8
Tauroneo      56     36      17      34      31      23      34     30
Jill          52     35      10      35      35      35      33     22
Zihark        54     32      14      40      40      25      24     24
Fiona         53     32      19      31      34      34      28     27
Tormod        50     24      33      33      32      23      25     31
Maurim        71     23      4       18      15      23      22     10
Vika          54     16      10      19      23      32      11     18
Nailah        70     19      6       24      20      38      18     15
Rafiel        48     1       15      4       12      48      6      25
Elincia       45     30      25      31      35      40      22     31
Marcia        50     29      17      33      36      29      28     31
Leanne        46     0       15      5       13      50      6      25
Nealuchi      60     16      6       16      23      35      13     15
Haar          58     38      7       38      30      26      38     17
Nephenee      53     31      16      35      34      27      31     30
Brom          60     36      10      34      29      30      36     22
Heather       49     26      19      37      40      35      23     26
Lucia         50     27      20      40      40      27      21     26
Lethe         65     16      7       19      20      27      14     14
Mordecai      75     22      3       15      13      30      22     8
Geoffery      55     35      14      34      30      26      27     25
Kieran        60     36      14      33      30      24      30     22
Makalov       59     33      14      32      33      30      30     21
Astrid        50     31      19      35      32      35      24     30
Danved        60     31      18      34      33      30      31     24
Calill        48     22      36      34      32      30      21     36
Ike           65     37      9       40      35      22      32     15
Titania       54     34      17      35      33      28      28     25
Soren         46     22      40      34      32      23      22     36
Mist          47     23      32      35      34      35      22     33
Rolf          60     36      11      39      34      26      28     21
Boyd          68     40      7       36      34      25      30     15
Oscar         56     31      16      34      32      30      27     22
Shinon        59     33      15      40      34      23      32     23
Gatrie        59     36      10      33      31      24      37     25
Rhys          45     21      36      30      29      35      18     40
Mia           50     31      14      40      40      29      25     20
Ranulf        65     18      8       20      20      30      15     11
Kyza          74     19      4       18      15      25      19     8
Lyre          59     15      8       20      20      28      12     15
Reyson        56     4       13      10      16      46      11     22
Janaff        63     19      4       23      20      35      16     9
Ulki          65     17      5       20      21      29      15     12
Sigrun        46     30      19      36      31      35      25     34
Tanith        47     32      17      36      34      30      28     31
Sanaki        41     9       40      33      30      40      16     38
Naesala       65     20      9       22      25      27      15     19
Skrimir       80     24      4       19      17      27      23     10
Tibarn        75     22      2       25      22      33      20     12
Pelleas       46     24      38      34      31      25      24     33
Stefan        55     32      9       40      40      22      26     22
Oliver        50     25      35      26      25      32      22     34
Bastian       48     23      38      34      28      25      23     36
Volke         55     32      5       40      40      20      29     23
Caineghis     78     24      4       23      18      32      23     10
Giffca        75     22      4       23      20      29      21     12
Kurthnaga     74     23      10      12      16      30      20     19
Ena           68     14      20      15      13      24      16     20
Renning       58     33      18      34      31      24      30     24
Nasir         78     8       25      15      9       22      13     23
Gareth        90     25      5       12      8       26      23     11
Lehran        50     11      40      40      40      40      23     40

[Quintessence]

Royals can just run Nullify gg

Why would we let them run Nullify when the objective is balancing them rather than make them far more OP? The idea is taking advantage of their weaknesses.

We can just make Royals or Laguz in general to not run Nullify among Nihil/Parity.

[AnonymousSpeed]

Mastery Skills

• Aether - it can stay as is
• Savage - half enemy skl
• Rend - same as stun
• Roar - same as stun
• Ire - what can we do? Triple dmg
• Astra - 5 attcks with halved dmg
• Impale - omg lol, ideas?
• Luna - GBA tome
• Sol - GBA Nosferatu
• Flare - Luna, dunno if you guys want Luna+Sol effect
• Corona - GBA luna and halve acc
• Bane - no changes
• Lethality
• Stun - no triple dmg
• Deadeye - Sleep
• Colossus - Triple str
• Tear - halve enemy str

Eh...I don't know.

I feel Sol and Luna would work fine if they just removed the triple damage effect. Following this Flare could use the Awakening Luna+Sol effect and still be balanced.

Pierce, Stun and Deadeye I don't feel need changes, since you can only move on unit. Maybe limit stun/sleep to one turn. Also, Rend I believe is X5 strengthm not X3 attack, but I could be wrong, either way that should be weakened.

[Icon of Sin]

For example: Capped Beastfoe!Marksmen deal 105 dmg with Double Bow

Mastery Skills

• Aether - it can stay as is
• Savage - half enemy skl
• Rend - same as stun
• Roar - same as stun
• Ire - what can we do? Triple dmg
• Astra - 5 attcks with halved dmg
• Impale - omg lol, ideas?
• Luna - GBA tome
• Sol - GBA Nosferatu
• Flare - Luna, dunno if you guys want Luna+Sol effect
• Corona - GBA luna and halve acc
• Bane - no changes
• Lethality
• Stun - no triple dmg
• Deadeye - Sleep
• Colossus - Triple str
• Tear - halve enemy sp

What do you guys say?

Ire and Impale can have their damage halved, so *1,5 and *2 respectively.

Flare can remain as it is. Archsages are pretty weak already because of low speed and the might of their weapons. Besides, you didn't nerf Corona.

Colossus is still OP. I'd suggest to go like FE9 and add 25% of Strength in damage.

Edited January 25, 2014 by Woodshooter

[AnonymousSpeed]

Colossus is still OP. I'd suggest to go like FE9 and add 25% of Strength in damage.

Maybe just double strength and have other Multiply attack skills (like Rend) do X2?

[Quintessence]

Maybe just double strength and have other Multiply attack skills (like Rend) do X2?

No way, a cat with 72Str is ridic lol.

Also, does Ire/Impale multiply dmg right before enemy def is applied, or right after?

[AnonymousSpeed]

No way, a cat with 72Str is ridic lol.

Also, does Ire/Impale multiply dmg right before enemy def is applied, or right after?

I know impale is after, which is why I think it can be the same as normal.

Ire I don't know.

[dondon151]

Royals can just run Nullify gg

a ha i knew there was a full guard equivalent in this game, but i just couldn't remember it.

Why would we let them run Nullify when the objective is balancing them rather than make them far more OP? The idea is taking advantage of their weaknesses.

We can just make Royals or Laguz in general to not run Nullify among Nihil/Parity.

that's just stupid. if you don't let royals or laguz run nullify, then they're the weakest units in the game. they get OHKO'd by any unit with an arbalest, which means that every team has to run an arbalest user.

Ire and Impale can have their damage halved, so *1,5 and *2 respectively.

bad idea. skills proc before critical hits and nullify them entirely, so most of the suggested changes, which would have skills doing less damage than crits take priority before crits, are not good.

i am not interested in making an FE10 metagame. there are so many arbitrary mechanical changes and team design restrictions that need to be made that the metagame is dead before it even gets a chance to get off the ground.

[Quintessence]

Well then, they can just multiply dmg by 1,5 and 2.

And what about Collossus increase Str by 0,5? Reavers are supposed to be powerhouses of destruction...

edit: nvm

Edited January 25, 2014 by Quintessence

[Da Bear]

It's a flat out multiplication for all masteries. So we could make them (impale, ire) crits (slight debuff on impale but wtv).

[AnonymousSpeed]

But Nolan!

[AnonymousSpeed]

It's a flat out multiplication for all masteries. So we could make them (impale, ire) crits (slight debuff on impale but wtv).

But the point of some masteries is that they have other effects, like Sol and Flare heal.