Grace Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 *being confident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 elie you're town and your arguments are killing me stop I was surprised when scum hade a watcher+rolecop, and the mayor being scum threw me off, so I'm minimizing my setupspecc'ing because I've been wrong so far with my assumptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 elie: scum having 3 info roles, one which has a lot of crossover and could have easily been made into watchervoyeur doesn't strike you as weird? okay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 @Refa: If they're planning to fake a role then they have to act like they would. At worst the lynch happens and Eury flips town and he could go "Welp rolespec was dumb sorry" and get away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 anyway I really need to stop posting because i'm starting to feel really shitty. this isn't anyone's fault, it's just arguing takes a toll on me after a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Also Manix's only defence is that he wouldn't be buddied with Eury which doesn't hold up with an SK in play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vennobennu Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 @grass: venno crumbed something. i refuse to lynch him for any reason, ever That's pretty extreme, care to elaborate on your reasoning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Also, roleclaims so far have been... Manix- Voyeur Kaoz- Hurry up and claim! BBM- Safeguard?? Shinori- Some kind of hooker variant? I dunno what to call it. kirsche- N/A Shinsomniac- Insomniac Elieson- Compulsive Even-Night Redirector Polydeuces- Backup something? scorri- I don't remember Refa- Bus Buddy Driver Vennobennu- N/A Prims- N/A Grassbridger- Compulsive Odd-Night Roleblocker I think that's right? Meh, I'm still bothered by Shinori's role. I'd say he should out who he targeted last night, but that would be pointless if he did end up targeting scum. And considering the redirect shenanigans last night (Manix got redirected to himself, something about scorri and Shinori I don't know) I'd say either one of the unclaimed people was responsible or we have a liar. Eh, probably isn't worth pushing at this point in time, but it's something to keep in mind for later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Didn't manix target prims? Was he actuall redirected to himself? These fucking role shenanigans man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorri Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 He targeted me. Got redirected to himself. Should have also targeted me, but apparently BBM targeted me and so APPARENTLY Shinori not getting told that his action failed is just fine and peachy by Manix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 elie: scum having 3 info roles, one which has a lot of crossover and could have easily been made into watchervoyeur doesn't strike you as weird? okay You straight up lied and said your results indicated that grass was scum because you got presumptuous. Your confidence didn't match your role crumb because since when does a voyeur assuredly catch scum? You lying looks bad to me, and while I don't doubt your role, I do question your alliance. Especially that courier thing, when you dismissed priorities just a little bit before priorities got presented onto you. And scum has a watcher + rolecop, plus a mayor. Like hell I'm going to play the setup spec game because for all I know, each scum has some investigative thing. I was surprised to see scum with two info roles already, and the mayor was like wtf. Why should I assume /even more/ about rolespec when all my assumptions have been wrong (except vhaltz being scum)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorri Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 (All redirect shenanigans are accounted for) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 one last post because I can't help myself: That's pretty extreme, care to elaborate on your reasoning?that would involve outing what I think your role is, so no kirsche's posts are basically mudslinging me, because no one cares if i'm sk yet. if you don't think i'm mafia, then don't lynch me yet because it's an excuse to complain about otherwise reasonably townie people (see: how most people thought my slot was town d2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 You straight up lied and said your results indicated that grass was scum because you got presumptuous. Your confidence didn't match your role crumb because since when does a voyeur assuredly catch scum?based on what I knew. god fucking damn don't you listen to what i say i'm not lying about anything. everything i said was based on what info I had at the time and it kept changing. i admitted that my role didn't catch anything after scorri revealed more about her's. did you miss that too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorri Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 I think Elie's point is more that you shouldn't have stated something with that much certainty when you didn't actually have any idea what my role was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 actually going now, bye. have fun without me, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Your claimed results are wrong and contradict with what we know and I'm not supposed to be suspecting you? "Noone cares about SK" is just trying to sweep yourself back under the radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 I think Elie's point is more that you shouldn't have stated something with that much certainty when you didn't actually have any idea what my role was. This sums it up nicely. And manix I did see, but I didn't see you back down at all, even after learning that you were incorrect on several thoughts, of which I assume impacted your scumread on grass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 OK, just thought of something. There was only one kill on N1, so either scum and SK targeted the same player (or some variation of them ending up both targeting Kay), or one of the kills was stopped somehow. Out of the claimed roles, only Grassbridger could have stopped the kill (and considering that there are no doc variants, that's not a possibility)? So if he's town, that's something too look into. Who did he end up targetting N1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDRHAWK Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 OK, just thought of something. There was only one kill on N1, so either scum and SK targeted the same player (or some variation of them ending up both targeting Kay), or one of the kills was stopped somehow. Out of the claimed roles, only Grassbridger could have stopped the kill (and considering that there are no doc variants, that's not a possibility)? So if he's town, that's something too look into. Who did he end up targetting N1? He said he targeted BBM, but got redirected to himself or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorri Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 BBM and maybe Prims is his claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorri Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 He targeted BBM. He also should have theoretically targeted Prims but ~things~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 LAME how do you even roleblock yourself that's like an oxymoron I guess for now, I'll just assume that scum/SK both ended up targeting Kay since that seems to be the most likely outcome with what information I have now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Oh, so that's how it is. Meh, I'm reading them both as town atm, so I don't know how to feel about that. :\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorri Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 He very much did not target himself. BBM and Shinori both targeted themselves last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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