Who could Ike's wife be?

[Baldrick]

Like I said, whenever I'm the one to stop, they just say I'm a coward and ran.

One person said that, and everybody condemned him for it. Even Glaceon, the Oscar to your Kieran.

Kon covered everything else I was going to say there.

[Anacybele]

Like I said, it's happened outside this thread too, though. But I am glad that people thought that guy was wrong.

Edited March 4, 2015 by Anacybele

[Kon]

Elincia hired Ike and his group to be her escorts and protect her from the Daeins. From that point on, Ike is literally doing everything he does for her and for her sake. They traveled a long way together and talked a lot. They got along very well too. I just don't see Ike doing everything he did simply to win the war and not at all for his employer who he became good friends with.

Well, that wasn't my intention, my apologies. If I had a say in the endings, the Geoffrey x Elincia one would stay as is while the Ike x Elincia one would either have them get married or simply remain close friends, with Ike doing a lot of jobs for her and keeping in touch by writing to one another or something. I would leave it up to the developers on which Ike x Elincia ending they like best. Either one would be fine with me, honestly. I would enjoy the marriage one more, but the non-marriage one is still pretty sweet to me.

I would've written Ike's regular ending, where he has no A supports with anyone that would change his ending, as him spending the rest of his days fighting off bandits and protecting people all over the continent as commander of his father's mercenary company, to carry on Greil's legacy. He does gain respect from most of Tellius, so it wouldn't be farfetched for his group to be hired by Gallia or Begnion or something again.

Again, I would like to see proof. Yes, he was hired by her to be her escort and her guard, but everything he has done "for her sake" was due to being contracted to do so, at least up to Begnion. At that point there are far more people than just Elincia that Ike is fighting for. He fights for his friends, after all. Winning the war was for the sake of everyone he had became allied with, not just for Elincia.

Ike: Um...hey there... Before this final battle, there's only one thing I want to tell all of you... I don't want any of you dying on me! Remember-- you only have one life! At a time like this, it doesn't matter what our blood ties are. We are family. That's what my father always used to say. And today...for the first time... I understand why he said it... Because we are a family. So if you don't want to cause your family any grief, then live! Don't drop your guard! Don't turn your back! Use every drop of your strength! Our road has been long, but it ends today! Let's liberate Crimea and free our friends...and our families...from Daein's tyranny! Men of Crimea... Laguz of Tellius... Greil Mercenaries... MOVE OUT!!

Ike: For the past year, I've been focused on winning this war. I stand here today as a testament to your fortitude and commitment. I understand this will never suffice, but I wanted to take a moment to say something to you all. Thank you. I hope I may continue to rely on you.

Ike: Elincia. You've had to wait a long time, but I finally fulfilled my contract. The mission is complete.

It's fine that you wanted it to be like that, but I don't really care about your fanfiction, truth be told.

Edited March 4, 2015 by Kon

[Anacybele]

Well yeah, I never meant that Elincia was the ONLY thing Ike was fighting for. That's just silly. But I suppose I should have specified this. My mistake.

My fanfictions don't have anything to do with the post you just quoted...

[Kon]

Elincia hired Ike and his group to be her escorts and protect her from the Daeins. From that point on, Ike is literally doing everything he does for her and for her sake. They traveled a long way together and talked a lot. They got along very well too. I just don't see Ike doing everything he did simply to win the war and not at all for his employer who he became good friends with.

Sounded like you did mean it.

You repeatedly mention how you would have written it or handled the story, or this is what you wrote for your fanfics. You've been bringing up your fanfics a lot in general, even in other threads, and I'm saying I don't care for it.

[Sunwoo]

I think an important thing that's going unsaid in this thread is that people are welcome to have whatever headcanon they want. But some headcanon may not necessarily make sense. That doesn't mean the person has to change their headcanon if they really don't care or want to, but that other people who see the logic flaws are going to point it out.

For example, let's say that I have a headcanon where Lissa marries Frederick in a forced political marriage but her true love is Virion. This is my hypothetical self's headcanon, and no one can make me change my mind if I don't want to. However, logically this does not make sense because Frederick does not bring up Lissa's position in any way and marrying Virion would foster ties with his homeland, Rosanne. Therefore, marrying Virion is actually to Lissa (and Ylisse)'s benefit.

Likewise, if I am understanding all the arguments correctly, several people here don't agree with Geoffrey and Elincia's marriage being for political reasons because according to their logic they don't see how it's advantageous at all - especially if her second option was Ike. If you don't want to accept their position that it's illogical or you don't care, then that's your right. But that does not mean other people can't point out the flaws in it if they see any, and if it really is illogical it won't stop being illogical just because you like it.

[timehopper]

Really I'm glad they never gave a paired ending to IkeXElincia. It would quite frankly be out of character for the both of them, with Elincia putting her feelings for Ike over her duties as queen (something she wouldn't even do for Lucia and Geoffrey) and Ike detesting nobles far too much to stay in any court, even if it is the court of his homeland. There's also the whole "not every leading male and female have to fall in love" thing too, which is something I really appreciate.

Although I can't say that I dislike the localization team for adding in the ship teasing. In some ways it deepened Elincia's character for me, because when I originally played PoR it seemed like she had a crush on Ike (not that I can blame her, what with him getting her kingdom back when she thought she had lost everything), and in Radiant Dawn, especially in her arc, it was like when she decided to do whatever it took to save her country on her without Ike's assistance she finally let go of the childish notions that her hero would always come to save her. It's also another reason I'm generally against the pairing, though I honestly don't hate it.

This was from a few pages back but I agree with everything you've said here. I've written a little bit on the topic of characterization for Ike/Elincia and how it just doesn't work for either of them (which you can read here if interested).

And honestly for me the characterization is everything when it comes to shipping. So going back to the fanfic example, I'm sorry Ana but I just can't take any of the things you use as evidence coming from your headcanons or fanfics as good reasons to like Ike/Elincia. Although I do like some of your thoughts on the pairing; for instance:

Also, if Elincia married Ike because she loves him, that doesn't mean she's putting him or love above Crimea. She's letting someone that makes her happy help her watch over Crimea. Talking about a scenario where Ike returns to her court, of course. And I don't think Ike deciding to return because he loves her is out of character at all. In fact, he is definitely the sort that doesn't choose his friends or people he really cares for based on their background or rank. He makes all sorts of friends. Laguz, beorc, children, adults, girls, boys, men, and women. I think it would be more OOC for him to reject Elincia simply because she's a princess/queen.

I do think that has some merit! I think Ike would return if his feelings were strong enough and he had the opportunity. And he wouldn't reject her for her rank, that's for sure. And I think if Elincia wanted to, she would marry Ike -- but the thing is that, by the time of Radiant Dawn, she's over him. Perhaps things could rekindle, but it's unlikely given Ike's personality, his dislike of the court, and how he prefers the mercenary life. There are a lot of obstacles to their being paired up, but if there was more canon evidence and they really loved each other that deeply... who knows?

I'm going to stand by what I said in the post I linked though: with canon the way it is, putting Elincia with Ike is just a bad decision for character development purposes.

[Moishe Oofnik]

Like I said, it's happened outside this thread too, though. But I am glad that people thought that guy was wrong.

Fry comes back

[Kon]

This was from a few pages back but I agree with everything you've said here. I've written a little bit on the topic of characterization for Ike/Elincia and how it just doesn't work for either of them (which you can read here if interested).

And honestly for me the characterization is everything when it comes to shipping. So going back to the fanfic example, I'm sorry Ana but I just can't take any of the things you use as evidence coming from your headcanons or fanfics as good reasons to like Ike/Elincia. Although I do like some of your thoughts on the pairing; for instance:

I do think that has some merit! I think Ike would return if his feelings were strong enough and he had the opportunity. And he wouldn't reject her for her rank, that's for sure. And I think if Elincia wanted to, she would marry Ike -- but the thing is that, by the time of Radiant Dawn, she's over him. Perhaps things could rekindle, but it's unlikely given Ike's personality, his dislike of the court, and how he prefers the mercenary life. There are a lot of obstacles to their being paired up, but if there was more canon evidence and they really loved each other that deeply... who knows?

I'm going to stand by what I said in the post I linked though: with canon the way it is, putting Elincia with Ike is just a bad decision for character development purposes.

Oh my god those character discussions were perfect ;u;

Characterization is so important when it comes to shipping any characters, it's why I'm such a stickler for some pairings. It's also why I'm so against IkeXElincia as a canon pairing, since it essentially robs them of some of their most important character growth and development.

I don't think he'd ever reject Elincia because of her rank, Ike has never cared about ranks and classes, but I can't see him staying in the courts for her, even if he really loved her. Honestly I don't even think Ike would tell Elincia that he loved her, because he's never been the type to burden others with his personal feelings, and he would likely think himself a hindrance to Elincia. After all, a lout like him has no place in the courts.

At least, that's how I see the matter.

[Magical Glace]

Relax folks. People don't change their minds easily...

Basically what Boron said is a nice comparison. It seems a tad aggressive

[Anacybele]

Okay, argue characterization issues all you want, but calling Ike a lout is just getting insulting. :/

[Jave]

Okay, argue characterization issues all you want, but calling Ike a lout is just getting insulting. :/

I don't think you're in any position to call people out on that when you've done that several times with characters you don't like.

[Anacybele]

I don't recall doing any such thing recently. And besides, that doesn't mean others shouldn't get called out for it when they do it.

[Jave]

I don't recall doing any such thing recently. And besides, that doesn't mean others shouldn't get called out for it when they do it.

You've done it. Whether it's recent or not is irrelevant. Besides, just now you were saying people were calling you a coward on other threads, but that hasn't happened "recently".

If you find a post insulting, just report it and let the mods handle it. There's no reason to stir the pot further with unnecessary drama.

[Anacybele]

I know, and I learned that what I did was out of line. But okay.

[Snowy_One]

Funny how this thread went from discussing who Ike might have married to discussing the validity of an Ike/Elincia relationship and if it ever could happen.

[Radiant head]

Where else did you think it would go?

[Anacybele]

Yeah, that was kind of my fault... But it's over and done with now, we all know everyone's stances on the pairing. No need to repeat it. So this thread can go on...or just die out. :P

[Magical Glace]

Funny how this thread went from discussing who Ike might have married to discussing the validity of an Ike/Elincia relationship and if it ever could happen.

What did you think would happen, an in depth analysis as to why Soren wants to hide his real gender, female?

[Anacybele]

If Soren was a girl, I wouldn't mind him and Ike together, honestly. They do have a close relationship, after all. In fact, I might have favored that pair over Ike x Elincia...

[Kon]

Okay, argue characterization issues all you want, but calling Ike a lout is just getting insulting. :/

I... sigh

I meant that he wouldn't think himself of having a place in the court, since he isn't the least bit savvy when it comes to politics and junk.

I swear I word one thing wrong and you jump down my throat >_>

If Soren was a girl, I wouldn't mind him and Ike together, honestly. They do have a close relationship, after all. In fact, I might have favored that pair over Ike x Elincia...

This is something I have a genuine problem with, along with saying that you wouldn't like your favorite character in the entire world as much if he was gay.

When literally the only problem someone has is gender or sex, it drives me up the wall, because that is one of the most asinine issues. It's like not liking two characters being together because then their kid's hair will turn out pink. How ridiculous is that?

[Anacybele]

And I don't understand why you have such a problem with my preference of heterosexual pairings over homosexual ones. I prefer hetero pairings, and that's that. Deal with it.

[Elibean Spaceman]

Funny how this thread went from discussing who Ike might have married to discussing the validity of an Ike/Elincia relationship and if it ever could happen.

Yep. No mention of Marcia, Mia, or Lethe right now.

[Kon]

Preferring heterosexual pairings is one thing

And hating a pairing and disliking a character you have devoted 7 years of your life adoring IF he was gay is a whole other thing

That's just fucked up, and that's that.

[Anacybele]

Where did I ever say that I would hate Ike if he was gay? I said that it would make me like him less, not that it would make me hate him. I would still really like him, just not as much as I would if he was straight. Learn to fucking read.