Izhuark Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 why didn't hunter killed gaius ? so much salt ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 The vig wasn't actually a vig. They were just in it to kill the SK and didn't care about cult or mafia at all. Yeah, I'm not saying that the vigilante made the game more reasonable to town...just saying that they should have made it significantly harder for the SK to win (and yet Gaius claimed SK in the thread and wasn't shot...). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) Yeah, Hunter should've done that instantly. WEN should have also targeted me night 1 LIKE I ASKED TO BE so that I wouldn't have been culted and then we wouldn't have had THE RETURN OF CULT MARTYR every single time quake. Thanks for that.EDIT: [01:06:02] Boron: Wow, I just realized [01:06:10] SB: even with perfect play town would probably lose [01:06:11] Boron: That cult martyr really screwed everyone over in the last time quake [01:06:15] SB: yep [01:06:17] Refaerith: cult martyr op [01:06:19] BBM: cult martyr op [01:06:20] SB: THANKS SO MUCH WEN [01:06:22] BBM: damnit refa [01:06:23] Refaerith: hahaha [01:06:25] Boron: I blame SB [01:06:26] Refaerith: GREAT MINDS [01:06:27] Boron: And Wen [01:06:27] SB: YOU REALLY HELPED TOWN OUT [01:06:34] BBM: especially when the cult martyr lasts forever [01:06:34] Refaerith: #SBDidNothingWrong [01:06:43] Boron: SB, you should go point that out in the thread [01:06:47] Junko: he did [01:06:53] SB: "I DIE FOR MY CALLING AGAIN AND AGAIN AND GAIN" [01:06:56] Boron: Do it again Edited August 12, 2015 by SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 and then we wouldn't have had THE RETURN OF CULT MARTYR every single time quake Best role ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 basically town needed to lynch the cult leader D1 to have a good chance of winning the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 no, then the cult leader would just appear in another timeskip town had to RNG into having the right people alive at the right time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randa Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 guys the answer was to lynch manix day 1. its never too late. ##Vote: Manix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 ##Vote: Manix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 ##Vote: Manix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 The cult recruiter could not recruit: Mason Inductor, Vig, SK, Maf 1, Maf 2, Maf 3. That's 6 roles out of 17. Considering their own they had a 10/17 chance of a recruit (ignoring shrinkage, which is unreliable). That's not quite 60%, yet they lucked their way into successful recruitment every phase. That definitely helped a lot. Yes, I admit the SK was perhaps a little too OP. It's hard to balance it to give them a realistic chance without making it overwhelming. Honestly, if I were playing the Independent Vig, I would have shot people I felt scummy with his regular shots ASAP, and saved his anytime kill for a last resort, while jumping onto every band wagon at end of day. Hell, an early claim of town dayvig would basically ensure protection and town cred, so the issue of "I could have sworn we usually call Independent Vigilantes serial killers in most games" would have never come up (also Izhuark, I loved that post, it filled me with joy. Just like I love how Weapons' first post in the Mason PM was "Okay, so which one of you is the scum Mason") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 The problem was that the "Vig" wasn't actually meant to shoot mafia. They were meant to remove the SK, but then town were in even more trouble because they were alone against the cult and mafia who had a huge numbers advantage most of the time. Also there's usually at least one player who is an obvious town recruitment target, so the odds aren't as great as it looks. I feel like I'm complaining a lot so I'll say I enjoyed the game and you did a good job with modding it Bal, but it's kind of frustrating because it felt like there was no way to play to win without shooting yourself in the foot later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randa Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 the best games are the ones which you bitch and moan about afterwards. not even joking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 They're the most memorable ones, anyways! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 From the setup PM I had with Boron (discussing a non-final version of the game) when I was worrying over balance concerns (as well as deciding to use characters from other media or OCs): I had sort of been leaning towards original characters for exactly the reason you mentioned (cutting down on flavorspec), but I was worried that it might hurt the players' sense of investment/attachment. I know sometimes if I go into a game, and I get Character, that I like for whatever reason or other, I tend to get a little more pumped up and excite about it. If I open my role PM and am like, "who the hell is this", it's kind of an initial let down (though I often still end up getting invested/having fun regardless). As for the Bastard part, yeah, you're 100% right. Bullet point number two on the list. While I don't consider vanilla cult Bastard (even if they might), there's no way I could in clear conscience bill this as an ordinary game with the Time Quake mechanic, even with the existence of the Time Anchor role that could inform people of it. The complete unpredictability of the way the alignments will tumble out means huge implications. Trying to go back to look at someone's D1 behaviour to find scumslips/association tells? Well, shit, it's Day 3 now, and there've been two quakes, good like finding anything useful there. To be perfectly honest, I think Town will have the single hardest win condition to fulfill for precisely this reason. That said, it's certainly no cakewalk for Mafia/Cult either. The fact that Cult do not die upon Recruiter's death is a big edge in their favor, but the other thing to consider is that Masons can effectively re-recruit a Cult back to Town. Also, depending on the role shuffle, they may not get their recruiter back if he dies early if their luck is bad. Mafia probably has the easiest time of things, but the fact that their fourth member is a) unable to participate in their meetings, b) unknown to them so they might kill him on accident, and c) they're only 4/17 to begin with helps to keep it a little more even (at least I hope so). I pretty much threw in the "long string of adjective" roles to troll people who lynch unbelievable roles, and also because being just a backup nurse is boring. I had to kind of invent some crazy shit, but I like to think someone opening their role PM and getting an eyeful of that is going to sit back and have a good chuckle. The setup does have a few weak points in that there can be as many as 3 kills a night (while the independent vig still has bullets), and the existence of the Claim Sniper and independent vig's day kill mean that worst case scenario: Day 1: Claim Sniper Kill Day 1: Vig Day Kill Day 1: Vig Anytime Kill Day 1: Lynch Day 1: Mismason attempt Night 1: Serial Kill Night 1: Mafia Kill Night 1: Vig Night Kill the player count could go from 17 players to 9 players in the blink of an eye, with Town completely losing lynch control. (It could be down to Ind Vig, Ind Serial, 2 Cult, 1 Traitor, 3 Maf, 1 Town, even, which is straight-up retarded, but also hilariously unlikely. Depending on if Time Quakes were hit as well, who knows what might shake out. It's my belief that the purely random element of it will tend to distribute things so that if any given faction had a convincing lead, after a quake it would tend toward a more even playing field.) That said, I'm going to love starting the thread with the announcement: "It is day 1. Town is in potential MyLo. Have fun." Everyone will be like "That's just the Bastard Mod talking," but it might actually be true. Still, it is ridiculously volatile, and might border on downright unfun, I'm not 100% sure how the playerbase would feel about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoesMad Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 You guys got screwed because Hunter tried to townside. I day vigged him pretty soon after claiming. Also, my role had lots of extra stuff I didn't know holy shit I'm badass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 It actually could've gone from 17->8 if the CL misrecruited as well.That would've been pretty great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I didn't read this game and what the fuck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Weapons' first post in the Mason PM was "Okay, so which one of you is the scum Mason"lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) really really sorry about the sub-in issue btw, I sent SB a message on skype saying "who's your scumbuddy" when he was getting lynched (as a joke) and it lead to us talking about the game but I totally forgot about it. probably my fault more than his but I just didn't wanna say anything about circumstances while the game was ongoing. this is somehow the second time this has happened with me and SB. Edited August 12, 2015 by Prims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 You honestly would've been fine subbing in after the first quake since all I said that I was mad that I got culted and caught instantly but eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) List of actions D1 Actions N1 Action D2 Action N2 Action D3 N3 D4 N4 eclipse None None None None Dead Dead Dead Dead Crysta Idled Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Terrado None Watch kirsche None Watch Hunter None omni weapons Dead Dead Snike None Heal eclipse Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Weapons Idled None Hooked None None None None Dead Blitz Idled None Recruit SB None Dead Dead Dead Dead Mancer None copped Rapier None Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Izhuark Idled Kill eclipse Killed Marth Kill Blitz None Recruit Snike None recruit gaius, great ritual SB None Hover on Blitz None Idle Hooked None Commute Commuting Wen None shrink eclipse None shrink Weapons copped Weapons None copped Paper None Rapier None scooping Mancer None scooping Chen None Kill Snike, hook randa None kill paper, hook SB Marth None peeped on Blitz None Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead Randa None block weapons None block SB recruit Snike None hooked None Hunter Idled Idled Idled Idle Dead Dead Dead Dead kirsche copped eclipse None cooped Gaius None None Peeping SB None idle Gaius mayor Kill Snike mayor Kill eclipse mayor Kill Izhuark mayor kill wen Chen None Recruit Blitz None Recruit kirsche None Hover Izhuark Dead Dead Edited August 12, 2015 by Balcerzak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Nightblood Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 why didn't hunter killed gaius ? so much salt ! By the time I found out Gaius was the SK, It was too late. Work and Summer classes suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Oh yeah, speaking of the whole talking to potential subs, issue: I almost got Proto to sub in, before he told me that he had already been spoiled. This really isn't a problem in smaller games, but in larger games (like this one was), it could be a real problem if you talk to too many non-players who haven't explicitly said "I don't want to sub in, ever". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 "Night X: Deal USER some dank dope." i'm dying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snike Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 so I did heal eclipse, but then I called the shot on Marth, allowing her to die. Doesn't that technically count? also gaius was I a rand or was I killed because I effectively claimed doc d1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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