Radiant head Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Hahaha so much for Rubio being taken seriously as a Republican frontrunner. I want the general to be Trump vs Sanders so badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuvarkz Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Hahaha so much for Rubio being taken seriously as a Republican frontrunner. I want the general to be Trump vs Sanders so badly. Agreed, I believe both are the best from each party. (Also, because I can't wait to see the meme wars between /pol/ and /r/politics intensify) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Wright Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 nothing funny has ever come from either of those places, even ironically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuvarkz Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 nothing funny has ever come from either of those places, even ironically. Trying to prove you wrong would likely get me in trouble with the mods (Considering how almost everything in /pol/ is grounds for ban here), except for: >CURRENT YEAR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Wright Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) oh i forgot a cesspool of real racism mixed with "anti-pc culture" was hilarious lmao you right you right also >current year is dumb Edited February 8, 2016 by Phoenix Wright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxwolfJackson Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I'm curious if Clinton gets the Democratic nomination if Bernie Sanders will run as a candidate for the Socialist Party of America or if he will merely concede back to Vermont. Having a popular third party candidate wouldn't be unheard of in US history (such as when Teddy Roosevelt ran for election as a third party in the Bull Moose Party). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyborgZeta Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Bernie going third-party would be a nightmare scenario for the DNC. Wouldn't mind seeing it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryhard Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 oh i forgot a cesspool of real racism mixed with "anti-pc culture" was hilarious lmao you right you rightI suppose it's hilarious in the same way gallows humour is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Bernie won't run third party; he's said that he would prefer Clinton over any of the Republicans. Jill Stein is sort of what an independent Sanders run would be, except it's more the other way around -> Sanders took the stuff I liked about the Green Party, and put it through the Democratic primary so that it's more practical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirby9612 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) Early voting begins in less than 10 minutes, It looks like Trump and Bernie are set to take New Hampshire. Rubiobot is in dire need of a cpu upgrade. Here are some general election predictions: SCENARIO 1: Trump vs Sanders = win/win , will increase turnout as both motivate the bases with their fiery populist messages, sanders will likely win with the aid of millenials. SCENARIO 2: Clinton vs Rubio = lose/lose , will drastically reduce turnout as both are no-frills run-of-the-mill establishment candidates. Rubio will likely win as conventional wisdom says the GOP wins when voter turnout is low. SCENARIO 3: Clinton vs Trump = lose/win, will increase voter turnout on the GOP side, and is a toss up, ignoring polling. The result depends on whether Trump pivots to the center with a less populist, more Mitt Romney esque campaign after winning the nomination/defeating his last opponent in the primaries or if he stays the racist demagogue he is now; he wins if the former happens, and Clinton wins if the latter happens. Unfortunately, out of the 3 scenarios, the middle one, (Scenario 2) is the most probable one, according to political prediction markets, as Trump and Sanders are hated to the bone by the establishment and are both being sabatoged by them at the moment. Prior to the Iowa caucuses, it seemed Scenario 1 was the most likely outcome, but now, it's Scenario 2. Edited February 9, 2016 by kirby9612 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah the Prussian Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I'm curious if Clinton gets the Democratic nomination if Bernie Sanders will run as a candidate for the Socialist Party of America or if he will merely concede back to Vermont. Having a popular third party candidate wouldn't be unheard of in US history (such as when Teddy Roosevelt ran for election as a third party in the Bull Moose Party). He isn't going to do that. The Socialist Party of America hasn't been a thing since it's heyday in the 1900s; it stopped being relevant after TR did his thing. In any case, Sanders knows that Clinton winning is better than Trump winning, so he'll stay out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camus The Dark Knight Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Whoever is the biggest tool will "win", it's been that way for quite some time now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah the Prussian Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Whoever is the biggest tool will "win", it's been that way for quite some time now. Yeah, pretty much this. I don't really blame any of them, except for Trump maybe. The problem is that politics creates an environment where the ones who are most willing to sell themselves out, stab their morals in the back, and lie win. The only thing meritocratic about a Republic is seeing who has the most merit in lying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alazen Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) Regardless of who wins among the leading non-Sanders candidates, America will maintain its shift away from the American Left that happened after Nixon's presidency. Bush and Obama are both to the right of Nixon and none of the leading candidates short of Sanders look like they'll be much more Left on that front. Especially not Hilary "Backs the Iraq War among other examples of American warring'' Clinton. Edited February 9, 2016 by Alazen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuvarkz Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) Yeah, pretty much this. I don't really blame any of them, except for Trump maybe. The problem is that politics creates an environment where the ones who are most willing to sell themselves out, stab their morals in the back, and lie win. The only thing meritocratic about a Republic is seeing who has the most merit in lying. Except Trump is mostly self-funding his campaign and doesn't seem to be acting against his own morals? Edited February 9, 2016 by tuvarkz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah the Prussian Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) Except Trump is mostly self-funding his campaign and doesn't seem to be acting against his own morals? True; neither is Sanders. Trump has his own problems, though, that make him as much of a dick as any other politician. Edited February 9, 2016 by blah the Prussian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah the Prussian Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Sorry for the double post, but Trump and Sanders both won New Hampshire by a large margin. If it wasn't clear that they could win before, it is now. Link: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35538361 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirby9612 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 With Rubio finishing in a sordid 5th place in New Hampshire, it seems now that Scenario 3 ( Trump vs. Clinton) is now much more likely, Scenario 2 much less unless Rubio finishes in a strong 2nd or 3rd place showing in South Carolina, but is the riskiest gamble of all 3 scenarios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False Prophet Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Can anyone please explain to me the important of this year's Super Tuesday? I kind of get the general idea, but fail to see how critical it's really be, especially for this particular race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 a candidate can win several states in one day, whats not big about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crysta Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Winning said states can very easily give a candidate the momentum to push the undecided their way. Seeing how we have not one but two anti-establishment candidates running - who pundits have long dismissed as longshots - I'm unsure of how it's not more important this year than in the others. I think Trump's journey is going to be more of a cakewalk than Clinton's, at this point - mostly because I think the latter has smarter competition lol. EDIT: Though I do realize we're now approaching states with people who may believe a socialist merits an exorcism; Iowa and New Hampshire are not those states. Edited February 11, 2016 by Crysta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirby9612 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) Super Tuesday is scheduled for March 1. 12 states will hold nominating contests at the same time. I predict that Bernie will take a big beating come the South Carolina and Nevada primaries, as most of his supporters are overwhemingly white. Whether he can survive Super Tuesday or not depends on if he carries 3 or more states aside from Vermont on March 1. Edited February 11, 2016 by kirby9612 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Wright Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) Super Tuesday is scheduled for March 1. 12 states will hold nominating contests at the same time. I predict that Bernie will take a big beating come the South Carolina and Nevada primaries, as most of his supporters are overwhemingly white. Whether he can survive Super Tuesday or not depends on if he carries 3 or more states aside from Vermont on March 1. i can't seem to find demographics that detail anything other than age and gender. where are you getting this from? also, what does it mean to be "overwhelmingly white"? Edited February 11, 2016 by Phoenix Wright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyborgZeta Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 i can't seem to find demographics that detail anything other than age and gender. where are you getting this from? also, what does it mean to be "overwhelmingly white"? When it's said that Bernie's supporters are "overwhelmingly white", it means his support base is mostly white voters. What is hard to understand about that? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/04/why-exactly-does-bernie-sanders-struggle-with-black-and-hispanic-voters-heres-why/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 On the other hand, there's this http://www.vox.com/2016/2/11/10961910/bernie-sanders-minority-vote Tl;dr only the actual election will show how much he resonates with nonwhite voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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