Person123 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 This seems pretty familiar. Oh yeah. https://youtu.be/nC6Sa8t9Ywg Anyways, this whole deal just feels like more manufactured outrage by taking something Trump said and twisting the intent behind it. His comments could just as easily imply he was saying that people who care about the 2nd amendment should come out and vote Trump in order to prevent Clinton from choosing supreme court nominees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time the Crestfallen Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Anyways, this whole deal just feels like more manufactured outrage by taking something Trump said and twisting the intent behind it. His comments could just as easily imply he was saying that people who care about the 2nd amendment should come out and vote Trump in order to prevent Clinton from choosing supreme court nominees. Why would he need to imply that they should vote Trump when he could just, you know, say it? I feel like it was an attempt at a joke that just fell flat to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Person123 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Why would he need to imply that they should vote Trump when he could just, you know, say it? I feel like it was an attempt at a joke that just fell flat to be honest. That could very well be the case, my point is that it's ridiculous to listen to the comments made and jump straight to "Trump wants people to assassinate Clinton!" It's incredible how scrutinized every little word Trump says while Hillary and her cronies get barely any attention paid to their wrongdoings. http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/09/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-judicial-watch/index.html?sr=twpol081016hillary-clinton-emails-judicial-watch1032AMVODtopLink&linkId=27509351 https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/29372#efmAFYAGZAHlAIhAJrALn (The importance of this one is that it suggests that Clinton's aid Abedin had access to the email address used for classified emails. Abedin also claimed in her June 28th disposition hearing that she did not have access to that address, which is literally perjury.) THIS is the stuff that needs to be scrutinized thoroughly, not some petty distraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time the Crestfallen Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 That could very well be the case, my point is that it's ridiculous to listen to the comments made and jump straight to "Trump wants people to assassinate Clinton!" It's incredible how scrutinized every little word Trump says while Hillary and her cronies get barely any attention paid to their wrongdoings. It's almost as if a majority of the US media has gotten into bed with the Clintion campaign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irysa Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) That could very well be the case, my point is that it's ridiculous to listen to the comments made and jump straight to "Trump wants people to assassinate Clinton!" It's incredible how scrutinized every little word Trump says while Hillary and her cronies get barely any attention paid to their wrongdoings. That's not what the article I linked said though? The point is more that those types of ambigious statements are the kind of things that can lead to mentally unstable people acting violently due to feeling legitimised, and there are documented cases of this happening. I think what I would say is that the media frenzy over it further exascerbates the problem though. I severely doubt Trump wants anyone to get shot, and agree that it was likely a joke. However it is a joke in extremely poor taste that isn't something a Presidential Candidate should be saying, and it ties into a general trend of his involving what can be seen as incitement. It's not good enough to say "well, its a one off, it was unintentional" when this is routine for Trump. Edited August 10, 2016 by Irysa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Water Mage Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 It's also worth noting that if someone actually shoots Hillary, Trump is going to be blamed for it, just because he said that. It's petty and silly, sure, but it's doesn't change the fact the he will be blamed by many. He better pray nothing happens to Hillary now, or else this speech is coming back to haunt him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryhard Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) Sarah Palin did the same sort of thing - but in this case ran an ad placing gunhairs and urging "don't retreat, reload" on opposition that they wanted to "take out". One of the listed, Gabrielle Giffords, was shot and critically injured in 2011, but later recovered. While the shooter's motivations were unclear, it is possible that he may have been influenced by Palin's ad, and she herself thought she could be held culpable, which lead her to removing and disowning the ad before the shooters identity was even known. To Trump's credit (I guess), what Sarah Palin said was even more inflammatory and instigative. Edited August 10, 2016 by Tryhard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alertcircuit Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 It's just an example of Trump being extremely irresponsible with his high level of influence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 if trump is an idiot he shouldn't be on the podium. if trump suggests that hillary should be assassinated he shouldn't be on the podium. it's one or the other, and either way, the iron in his blood would have more use as the insides of a toaster. everyone likes toast, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 who would be influenced by palin? this is an honest question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alertcircuit Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 At least a few of the ~60 million people that voted for her to be Vice President. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 At least a few of the ~60 million people that voted for her to be Vice President. oh yikes i didn't even know it was that many. ofcourse in indiana we all thought she was a joke, so that might've been why i thought she wasn't popular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Life Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I know some of y'all can't stand NYTimes but I thought this piece summed up Trump's latest Trumpeting pretty well. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/opinion/trumps-ambiguous-wink-wink-to-second-amendment-people.html Interesting take on Rabin's assassination.Except that politicians do get assassinated all the time for their opinions. Jo Cox springs to mind. And Rabin was considered less of a traitor than Menachem Begin in the same matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Cynthia- Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 The media might not be running as many stories about Clinton's emails as some would like, because most Americans are tired of hearing about it, even though most did not approve of how she handled it http://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_US_080816/ Many Americans may also be wise to the fact that all this information is *suddenly* being released as Trump drops in the polls. The Republicans already did this song and dance with Benghazi to little effect, if they wanted a better chance at winning the presidential election then maybe they should have elected a stronger candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) The media might not be running as many stories about Clinton's emails as some would like, because most Americans are tired of hearing about it, even though most did not approve of how she handled it http://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_US_080816/ Many Americans may also be wise to the fact that all this information is *suddenly* being released as Trump drops in the polls. The Republicans already did this song and dance with Benghazi to little effect, if they wanted a better chance at winning the presidential election then maybe they should have elected a stronger candidate. pray do tell who would've been stronger out of that batch of losers we had this year. even if i didn't mind rubio i suppose unless you mean someone that wasn't apart of that, then i agree. Edited August 10, 2016 by HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyborgZeta Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 John Kasich would probably have been a good candidate to go up against Hillary. Almost any of the other candidates, barring Cruz and Jeb, would probably have fared well. Hillary is pretty unpopular, but since she's up against Trump, it balances out for her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) John Kasich would probably have been a good candidate to go up against Hillary. Almost any of the other candidates, barring Cruz and Jeb, would probably have fared well. Hillary is pretty unpopular, but since she's up against Trump, it balances out for her. I suppose he could, tho my ohio friends didn't like him. then again i don't like pence and i'm from indiana. i will admit putting cruz or Jeb vs Hillary would be a giant mistake. Edited August 10, 2016 by HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyborgZeta Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I'd take Pence any day over my state's governor, Matt Bevin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I'd take Pence any day over my state's governor, Matt Bevin. i believe you, feel free to talk about the guy as i have no idea who that is. unless that would be off topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Cynthia- Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I agree that Kasich would have been a strong general election choice. He's pretty popular in Ohio where the Republicans need to win, moderate enough to appeal to independents, no real big baggage from what I know. Most of the candidate pool was pretty weak though, Mike Huckabee pandering to the hardcore Christian right was never going to go anywhere for instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 i mostly vote republican, so it sounds like the only issue i'd run into a kasich run is that an ohio friend might never talk to me again. well he wouldn't have to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryhard Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) General poll on positive/negative public view of political figures. I have a feeling if Bernie was the democratic candidate this election would already be over, because it would be literally the most liked politician versus the least liked. Could fluctuate of course but that's nice. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpZGZNSUEAA6twy.jpg Edited August 11, 2016 by Tryhard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 oh yeah bernie would've had a fair chance but its clear the DNC didn't want him for whatever reason. i guess they wanted an uphill battle instead of a one sided election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyborgZeta Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 It's hard to say how Bernie would've fared in a general. He's pretty far left, and was an admitted "democratic socialist". Socialism is still a trigger word on every age group but millennials, so I'm not sure if he'd be able to win in a general. That's not even getting into some of his policies, since his GE opponent would definitely have pounced on him for how he'd fund everything. A lot of Americans don't want their taxes increased, so Bernie could've had a hard sell. i believe you, feel free to talk about the guy as i have no idea who that is. He's the current governor in Kentucky. He managed to win largely thanks to turnout being incredibly low. I'm not sure whether his opponent would've been better, but he makes some weird decisions; and likes putting weird selfies on Twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crysta Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 I suspect Bernie would have gotten hit a lot harder by Republicans if he was the actual nominee. I'm not sure it would be the cakewalk everyone seems to think it is due to how well people liked him when the polls were taken. Hillary's approval ratings were in the mid-high sixties when she was Secretary of State. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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