SFMafia's Greatest Hits - Day 6

[_J_]

@LordGaius:

J is my top scumread, here's why.


This is as premise to stuff I say later on.


So J doesn't like why Eclipse is lynching Mancer, selling it mainly as an inactivity vote, but keeps his own vote on Yolo after building a case on Eclipse.


This is the first post to highlight how many times the reasons for his scumreads change. Right now it looks like he's pressuring her for backing off a zero lynch when the wagon took off, drawing some possible Clipse/Zero scum connections.


Bold 1: Why would your top scum read ever not be a good lynch??? Even if you think associative reads are gonna be a big part of it (these associative are also all over the place), you supposedly good lots wrong with her content but don't want to pull the trigger.

Bold 2: Now the reason Clipse is scummy is for not voting Dandragon and instead voting Mancer (all of this while J continues to vote Yolo instead of Clipse.)

Bold 3: you're the one not committing to your reads and changing them.





So... you can pass up Mancer's play as been town but clearly know that he's been with SF for a long time?


Defending African from Shinori right here. Cool.


You don't tell us if this is good or bad, scummy or not. You refuse I take sides in Weapons v Shinori because apparently dealing with indies is above you it something.

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1. The scum read on Yolo is fine, but the Gorf scumread... This is after you defended him from Shinori who was wailing on Gorf pretty damn hard. If I took the bold out of context, that literally looks like a town read, not a scum one.

2. Inactivity has now cured Eclipse of her scumminess? Why did the Dan flip affect your Exlipse read so much, when what I tially caught your eye was her waffling on the zero wagon.

3. More avoiding of the 3rd party discussion, when its one of the focal points of the game at the moment.

Lost the quote, but it also seems like you had more reason to vote Yolo then Hannah, in terms of priorities, considering you were on Yolo a majority of Day 1.

##Vote: J

I believe what my post says covers it lol.

Borderlands the Presequel has captivated me, I might check one more time before sleeping.

So I'm very "..." at this post on me. Mainly because here is the big thing that I am "..." about. You literally in the previous page voted Hannah with me, then she comes in with a bunch of null reads and no direction/push and now I'm your scum-read for really reaching reasons.

1.) I said I was feeling one of Gorf/Marshy hold scum. Now if I am looking at Marshy as one of my scum-reads for toDay, that means currently I am not looking at Gorf for a scum-read.Also when I was "defending" Gorf, I was knocking down faulty logic. That's a different story and I step into arguments that have fallacies. It's just a thing I do. Gorf is a null read that should not be null to me.

2.) Eclipse's inactivity has cured nothing? I said yesterDay that Eclipse was an associative read that I had a feel on her+Dan would be make a logical scum-team.

3.) I avoid third-party discussion until it has been proven we are dealing with a third party. Weapons claim came out of nowhere after claiming he had no role pm yesterDay, lets add onto the fact that he says that he got a BINGO N1 with a near-full playerlist on an indy? That seems highly unlikely as well and to me just seems more of a reactionary gig.

So again, you push Hannah with me then 180 on me. Very "..."

[🔥YOLOSWAG🔥]

@j tell me about hannah

very scummy post by gilg. we hav our next 2 plays in him/shinori

[_J_]

Lord Gaius = Glig? Can someone clarify that for me.

What more would you like from me about Hannah? I've explained my scum-read and also her recent posts literally just have a bunch of null reads, no scum-reads and no vote on pg 21, nearing the end of D2.

[Donald Trump]

yeeeeeea so i have a confession...

i was kinda hoping id see some sort of turnaround from gilg and not wanting to get too trigger heavy or too set on calling him scummy cuz, aside from some shoddy post at the end of D1, the slots done nothing. having claimed to have caught up and posting made my 5 am brain go "cool! that post looks longish and has a solid looking reads list. ill chrck it in the morning."

now i read it and i feel like im watching a porn actor performance level play. like i WAS gonna say zero toDay or bust and try hard enough to get enough verbal support to carry into toMorrow but at this point i hsve zero problem with taking care of gilgamesh first and from there (even if his lynch wont do much associatively aside from probably lend town points to yolo).

so there ya go i FINALLY have full support for the gilg (yes this is gilg @j) wagon and maybe thisll shed some light as far as why there are real benefits to being cryptic (if gilgamesh happened to have read that i felt that way he may have had it in him to influence his post with that in mind yada yada).

[Hannah]

Wait, what's going on about Gilgamesh? Why the sudden switch, besides his inactivity?

Didn't realize we were nearing the end of day two, but I'm pretty sure most of the people haven't posted. To be honest, I want a Shinori lynch more than anything, just to figure out Weapons' (/sub's) role.

[Hannah]

Also, Gilgamesh =/= Lord Gaius. Disregard my accidentally calling Gaius "Gligarbro," it was an old name I used to call him.

As far as I know, Gilg = Gilgamesh (And Glig if misspelled, which I think I did)

[Elieson]

Lord Gaius = Glig?

very scummy post by gilg.

I'm guessing Gilg = Gilgamesh and Glig = Gligarbro = Gaius?

Also good morning all

[ZoesMad]

Gligarbro was my nick where Han plays mafia with me elsewhere. Sorry for the confusion.

Also J, you ain't just gonna dismiss my post lol. How are my reasons reaching? Your reads flip flop all over as I've pointed out in multiple places, and this happens more often with mafia because the cases are fabricated in the first place.

1. Defending for bad logic is still defending nonetheless and you seemed to paint Gorf Ina positive light in that post. Why is it one of Yolo/Gorf that is scum instead of both of them?

2. What pings me about this is your aversion to lynching Eclipse on D1, and how I tially it was Clipse waffling on her zero read that made you these scum first, and then not voting for Dan made her scummy for whatever reason. Already showed the double standard there.

3. What the fuck else is it gonna take to confirm there's a 3rd party other than a 3rd party alignment checker? Like this pretty much confirms either Weapons is a Lyncher or Shinori is whatever independent. Also why do you think it's likely this is an reaction test? It's been like 36 hours and weapons has now subbed out.

So uh, don't "..." me. Balls in your court.

[_J_]

I literally just listed and explained how I felt your reasoning were reaching through going by them point by point.

1.) Why must I read both of them as scum? I can have reads however I would like and I've explained as such.

2.) You are really should that you have not read my posts nor pushes at all. Eclipse was pushed because she was leading around wagons (mainly Zero/Dand) and when she got Zero to L-1/L-2 and then when she had the choice to hop onto Dand, she steered clear and voted Mancer (the throwaway slot) until the end of the dayphase where she voted Dand. Now it looked like scum-distancing as the time with the info presented; not anymore and certainly not a double standard.

3.) You are actually like we have mod-confirmed information on the ITP or of the "ITP Checker". Do we? Have we had a flip? Do you seriously trust Weapons claim that much to believe it? Why do I think it was a reaction test? No proof. No evidence. Shinori's explosive reaction in the thread. We have no proof on anything like at all. It is just word of mouth.

Ball is literally still in your court and to be honest, I don't think it has ever left.

[🔥YOLOSWAG🔥]

@j whats your opinion of gaius?

[_J_]

Can I respond in .gif format or would you like an actual response?

[🔥YOLOSWAG🔥]

@bbm can i plz hav yur explicit thoughts on

prims

j

hannah

zero/magnificence

[🔥YOLOSWAG🔥]

Can I respond in .gif format or would you like an actual response?

what do you think his alignment is? are his concerns with you likely from a town perspective? are they reasonable or unbelievable to the point that its scum fabrication?

[🔥YOLOSWAG🔥]

@weapons gun to head who are you really looking at past shinori? who would you wanna lynch if your investigation wasnt in play?

[_J_]

Gaius has not been on my radar at all currently. The only thing I had in my memory was that him and Hannah were connected outside the game and also gave a lot of meta excuses towards her slot. Concerns with me could be from a town perspective, but he still has not responded as to why he was voting Hannah with me and then drastically 180'd out of nowhere.

I'm gonna continue with my line of questioning with Gaius before I give an opinion on whether I feel he is town or scum. Currently? Mainly would lynch due to fallacies in logic that seem to be reaching for a reason to call my slot scum.

[Elieson]

as scum whats the motive to going out of her way to express her lack of finding? sure the output is, like, really bad, but do you not think theres genuine effort and desire to figure things out within her posts? after all she couldve come up with fake scum reads.

As scum, she's producing posts, which is what she's being asked. I think the pressure is genuinely getting to her and she's not able to fabricate (what she'd consider to be good) fake scumreads

Yes, legit, I only seen Eclipse and Prims as town reads, and, as I've stated, No one really seems scummy yet. Call it stupid, but I'm trying to do what you guys asked.

Yes, it does rub off badly. I'm sorry that I don't have many reads yet.

Didn't you guys notice how people asked 'Does anyone know how to read _____?'

A LOT OF THIS IS THAT. I don't know how any of you play, save for Gaius, and he's not being his normal self. He's not the normal town leader, but he also told me that he isn't as 'godly' here. So I'm not marking that as a scum read.

I should quit playing mafia ;~;

:But hey, what do I know? I'm just a lonely tree stump that got chopped on last night phase.... :'("

Yeah, stop making fun of my reads :( I spent a while making those, and trying to choose good words and such to express how I feel.

AtE (Appeal to Emotion) isn't going to help anything. If you're indeed town, spend your time reading into the arguments that you see players having, considering their legitimacy, and picking a side (if there's one that you think deserves to be picked).

First off,

Unvote:

This was a semi reaction test to see how you would handle having a couple votes. (You did well by the way.) Multiple things indicate this to me at least.

1. Angry Hannah = Town Hannah in my past experiences.

2. Willingness to show struggle rather than fake some bad reads to not be scumread.

3. There is much more effort in her posts than on Day 1, and she isn't hiding that by using lots of words.

As advice, I would stop trying to use PS meta as a basis for playing here, and treat it as a new game entirely. Other than that, keep putting out more content like you just did. Omega = Yoloswag btw.

Can you explain Town!Hannah without the Meta reference? From my position, Hannah looks more like she's struggling to throw out posts to appease requests for content but isn't able to formulate accurate context for her lack of reads, because she's kinda being called out by a bunch of people and she's more responding poorly to pressure than anything else.

Also you're metareading Hannah but saying that meta shouldn't be used. This undoes your own casing for supporting your own townread

what is happening in this game? shinori are you 3rd party or not? if not then why are you not voting a confirmed liar in weapons?

inclined to throw my hands up n jus lynch shinori to remove this indy craziness so town can b inited in vanquishing scum. worst case is weapons lyncher but eh i dont really care. gilg can get got tomorrow i guess?

uhhhh Worst case scenario is that Shinori's a town PR and your reluctance to pursue information contributes to town losing something useful.

What are your thoughts on everybody other than Weapons / Shinori / Gilgamesh?

J is my top scumread, here's why.

*J case stuff*

I'll have to look into this later. Something about this case on J just doesn't seem right. It doesn't seem scummy, but I can't really see its legitimacy without reviewing it more closely (and I can't do that right this minute). This is more a note to myself to look into it later.

Oh, so you are denying that you are a third party, huh? Interesting, either you or Weapons is lying and if it is you, I wonder why you would want to hide your role if it isn't malicious to the town?

I thought we made it a point that Gaius's role had to be tested after his quick Hammerer claim, no? I did get the hammer, yes, but if it wasn't going to be me, it was going to be someone else.

What are you on about? I did not say that Dan was a town read(A null result for me), I only said that his "overdefensiveness" by itself is not a pointing problem to him being scum. In the case of Dan vs Zero, Zero was the better result for me at the time because like I said she seemed to at least have some weight behind her reasonings.

I am glad that you brought this up then. Quite honestly out of the few Mafia games that I have played, I have never even heard of such a thing as it seemed like something that would be in a bastard game. Well, it helps Weapons in that case and I don't see why he would do this and then claim to be a third party investigative role.

Just for future reference, here are all of my current reads:

Town:

Eclipse: Like I said before, she gives me a strong feel of being town with her adequate scum-hunting and reads.

Gorf: His odd manner of posts in D1 aroused my suspicions at first, but in D2 I see his actions as benefiting the town

Prims: Like Eclipse he is a good "town leader" and makes good arguments about his findings.

Null:

Weapons: I was very skeptical of the whole "No Role PM" bullshit, but then it was brought up that this was an actual thing that some games have done. Well, it certainly was brave of him to quickly confirm that he did get his role at the beginning of the day.

Elieson: He makes some nice observations here and there.

Mancer: The inactivity really hurts(Like I am one to talk), but he is going to get sub'd, right? So I'll see how his replacement will handle it.

Hannah: As noted by Lord Gaius, I did have her in my "town" radar in D1, but that was only because I thought Hannah was just being 'cute" and new to say the least.

J- At the moment I am not sure what to make of him.

Leaning scum:

Omega: All the small postings and suspicions and yet doesn't tend to make strong cases for why he believes so.

Zero: I wish she didn't get replaced at such a critical time. She instigated the Dan wagon and made a few other worrying posts like going after Mancer for being inactive. Perhaps a lynch on her would be beneficial.

Vote:Zerosabers

FoS: Shinori

FoS: Omega

Goddamn it, it's freaking after 3 in the morning, I should be damn asleep. >_>

If anyone has more questions to ask me, I'll answer them when I get out of work.

You just did it again; you said "I'd rather have had zero lynched, but I'll just hammer instead".

How is prims being a town leader

this last line is really bad (since it's just a catch all safe thing to say, and reads like a setup statement for future fallbacks if things work out and shrugged at if they don't)

in the meantime can someone summarize all the roleclaims thanks

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Eury = Dead Town Treestump

Weapons = ITP Checker

I'm 99% sure that is all we really have

Gligarbro was my nick where Han plays mafia with me elsewhere. Sorry for the confusion.

Also J, you ain't just gonna dismiss my post lol. How are my reasons reaching? Your reads flip flop all over as I've pointed out in multiple places, and this happens more often with mafia because the cases are fabricated in the first place.

1. Defending for bad logic is still defending nonetheless and you seemed to paint Gorf Ina positive light in that post. Why is it one of Yolo/Gorf that is scum instead of both of them?

2. What pings me about this is your aversion to lynching Eclipse on D1, and how I tially it was Clipse waffling on her zero read that made you these scum first, and then not voting for Dan made her scummy for whatever reason. Already showed the double standard there.

3. What the fuck else is it gonna take to confirm there's a 3rd party other than a 3rd party alignment checker? Like this pretty much confirms either Weapons is a Lyncher or Shinori is whatever independent. Also why do you think it's likely this is an reaction test? It's been like 36 hours and weapons has now subbed out.

So uh, don't "..." me. Balls in your court.

A flip would confirm this information, since right now Weapons' and Shinori's alignment/role are unconfirmed. You're ignoring the possibility of a potential scum bus (meaning, scum!weapons as like, a Rolecop, scanned shinori as something extremely ITP-esque), or maybe shot Shinori and he survived, and his ITP claim was a reaction test to get Shinori to claim either Town!BPV or ITP!RoyallyScrewed

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As of what I've seen, my nullread on Rudy is progressing towards a scumread, my Hannah scumread feels more comfortable, my prims scumread is pretty much gone (because I just don't have those vibes about his play anymore) and I'm just having a tough time following Gaius's thoughts altogether.

[Donald Trump]

@weapons gun to head who are you really looking at past shinori? who would you wanna lynch if your investigation wasnt in play?

[Donald Trump]

when ya boi dont understand how technology work so what was supposed to be a gif response turned into an awful tiny picture

if you cant read that says "hes not here," cuz he subbed out like a lil bitch

[Donald Trump]

who dafuq is rudy

[Elieson]

Rudy = Gilgamesh sry

[eclipse]

in the meantime can someone summarize all the roleclaims thanks

Me/Hannah - neighbors (verified by the host in the game's opening flavor)

if i wake up tomorrow and shinori hasnt posted anything useful im just gonna vote him

Won't be around to help, as phase end occurs while I'm at work, and I need to leave soon.

I was semi-following on D1 but you guys spammed a lot at th start of D2 and I only skimmed that stuff so I'm behind. All I remember of D2 is Weapons vs Shinori and people wanting to lynch my new slot (totally understandable since it was Mancer).

I've got my own reasons for scumreading you, which I hinted at a couple of times - those reasons make it a weak scumread, but it's one nonetheless.

2.) You are really should that you have not read my posts nor pushes at all. Eclipse was pushed because she was leading around wagons (mainly Zero/Dand) and when she got Zero to L-1/L-2 and then when she had the choice to hop onto Dand, she steered clear and voted Mancer (the throwaway slot) until the end of the dayphase where she voted Dand. Now it looked like scum-distancing as the time with the info presented; not anymore and certainly not a double standard.

This accomplishes two things.

1. I finally understand the point of your actions on D1 (don't blame you for it).

2. What do you think about my first post of this phase?

. . .I just realized I put my own head on a platter. Bah. My vote speaks for itself. I won't object if anyone wants to lynch one of Weapons/Shinori purely for info/reads, but I think shooting one of them would be better.

So, to finish this off. . .

Prims, BBM, J, Shinori

That'll make sense come morning.

[Dr. Rudy Mjølnir]

It seems that I am the likely lynch tonight, but oh well I don't have the time to fight it.

Listen everyone, I have a confession to make. Using my role I was able to do a voyeur on Weapons because I did not believe his claim that he didn't get a role PM and my results were right, he used an ability to determine that someone was a third party. I was going to call out weapons, but to my surprise he claimed his role and the whole "Not getting a PM" was brought up by Eclipse so I believe him. Shinori is a third party of some kind 100%. I swear this on my life. His denial only proves that it is a role harmful to the town and he must be pursued.

Well my break is almost over and I most likely will be back after the deadline.

[Elieson]

Woah

So either Weapons & Gilgamesh really want Shinori lynched, or Shinori's ITP on two merits? I guess the lyncher thing is still a possibility though.

Did your voyeur figure out that Weapons' role matches his claim, or that his results match his claim?

Shinori, thoughts on Weapons' scanning you and Rudy supporting that his scan was real?

[eclipse]

. . .or Gilgamesh is trying to get the lynch off of himself. Regardless, this claim makes no sense in regards to the first quote in this. If he knew that Weapons was telling the truth about his role (and Shinori's reaction was already out there), then I would expect to see a vote on Shinori, not one on zero/Marth!

This reeks of desperation, which is a null tell. His actions and claim don't line up, which is why, despite the claim, I'm willing to lynch him.

[🔥YOLOSWAG🔥]

Prims, BBM, J, Shinori

awesome. i like this viewpoint a lot

i guess ill throw my vote onto shinori in light of the new information

##vote shinori