Pokémon Sun and Moon Demo leaks and Early copy leaks related discussion (Obviously spoilers)

[Konnor97]

Where have you seen the Alola Dex? I'm kinda curious myself.

Check Kaphotics/SciresM's twitter. The mediafire link is a download of all of the battle preview sprites, and with it lacking all starters and legendaries before this gen it seems to be the regional dex. Blank images outside of 000.png are likely totems.

Gimme a sec, I can list them. Warning really long.

[spoiler=Non Gen 7 pokemon]Caterpie line

Rattata line + Alolan (blank images after Alolan Raticate)

Spearow line

Pikachu line + Hat Pikachu (two images for each hat but they look the same) + Alolan Raichu

Sandshrew line + Alolan

Clefairy line

Vulpix line + Alolan

Jigglypuff line

Zubat line

Paras line

Diglett line + Alolan

Meowth Line + Alolan

Psyduck line

Mankey line

Growlithe line

Poliwag line

Abra line + Mega Alakazam

Machop line

Tentacool line

Geodude line + Alolan

Slowpoke line + Mega Slowbro

Magnetite line

Grimer line + Alolan

Shellder line

Gastly line + Mega Gengar

Drowzee line

Exeggcute line + Alolan Exeggutor

Cubone line + Alolan Marowak

Chansey line

Kangaskhan + Mega

Goldeen line

Staryu line

Scyther line + Mega Scizor

Electabuzz line

Magmar line

Pinsir + Mega

Tauros

Magikarp line + Mega Gyarados

Lapras

Ditto

Eevee line

Porygon line

Aerodactyl + Mega

Snorlax line

Dratini line

Ledyba line

Spinarak line

Chinchou line

Sudowoodo line

Murkrow line

Misdreavus line

Snubull line

Sneasel line

Corsola

Deliberd

Skarmory

Smeargle

Miltank

Wingull line

Surskit line

Makuhita line

Nosepass line

Sableye + Mega

Carvanha line + Mega Sharpedo

Wailmer line

Torkoal

Spinda (has two sets maybe an extra dizzy version?)

Trapinch line

Barbaoch line

Feebas line

Castform

Absol + Mega

Snorunt line + Mega Glalie

Relicanth

Luvdisc

Bagon line + Mega Salamence

Beldum line + Mega Metagross

Craniados line

Shieldon line

Shellos lines (both forms)

Drifloon line

Gible line + Mega Garchomp

Riolu line + Mega Lucario

Finneon line

Lillipup line

Roggenrola line

Cottonee line

Petilil line

Sandile line

Tirtouga line

Archen line

Trubbish line

Vanillite line

Emolga

Luvdisc

Rufflet line

Vullaby line

Fletchling line

Pancham line

Carbink

Goomy line

Klefki

Phantump line

Zygarde forms (4 blanks after 10% form but I think it has different "collar" gems or something)

[spoiler=Mons with blanks after them so possible totems]

Alolan Raticate

Gumshoos

Vikavolt

Lurantis

Salandit2

Mimikyu

Kommo-o

Edited October 18, 2016 by Konnor97

[Thane]

I think the UB are just man-made pokemon using human DNA or something.

Yeah, that's one common theory. Other ones include characters in Sun & Moon actually being the Ultra Beasts, that the Ultra Beasts come from another dimension (I guess because of those portals) or that, in the case of UB-01 specifically, they somehow mimic humans or take after their traits for some reason.

There's a whole bunch of awesome theories out there, which is exactly why I'd be so disappointed if they turned out to be regular Pokémon.

[The Draco Knight]

I really think Aurora Veil, Laser Shot, and Throat Chop are Popplio3's, Rowlet3's, and Litten3's signature moves. Laser Shot fits a sniper pokemon, Throat Chop is a dirty move that stops voice moves, like the singing Popplio3 can almost certainly do. Aurora Veil is assumingly pretty and showy.

Oh, and here's a compiled picture of all Gen 7 pokemon plus their shiny form. No Ash-Greninja.

So Litten will truly become Tiger Mask? I'm so happy right now.

Oh, and Alola Golem's beard looks amazing

Also, is it weird if I say that I like the Ultrabeasts design more than the Pokemon ones, including most of those from the past generations?

Can't say I'm a fan for the same reason I'm opposed to being able to catch them: I want them to be mysterious and really freaking scary; being able to purge them would cheapen their involvement, and after the first time the rest of them would appear toothless.

Same tbh, or else they would lose most of the charm they had initially.

[ZemZem]

So, so, SO hyped.

[spoiler=this month wait will be painful]

[A Random Player]

What are those before the Legendary mascots? Pre-evolutions? I get in-training digimon vibes from them.

Also Alolan Dugtrio and Persian lol. Dugtrio's literally just wearing wigs.

[Water Mage]

Check Kaphotics/SciresM's twitter. The mediafire link is a download of all of the battle preview sprites, and with it lacking all starters and legendaries before this gen it seems to be the regional dex. Blank images outside of 000.png are likely totems.

Gimme a sec, I can list them. Warning really long.

[spoiler=Non Gen 7 pokemon]Caterpie line

Rattata line + Alolan (blank images after Alolan Raticate)

Spearow line

Pikachu line + Hat Pikachu (two images for each hat but they look the same) + Alolan Raichu

Sandshrew line + Alolan

Clefairy line

Vulpix line + Alolan

Jigglypuff line

Zubat line

Paras line

Diglett line + Alolan

Meowth Line + Alolan

Psyduck line

Mankey line

Growlithe line

Poliwag line

Abra line + Mega Alakazam

Machop line

Tentacool line

Geodude line + Alolan

Slowpoke line + Mega Slowbro

Magnetite line

Grimer line + Alolan

Shellder line

Gastly line + Mega Gengar

Drowzee line

Exeggcute line + Alolan Exeggutor

Cubone line + Alolan Marowak

Chansey line

Kangaskhan + Mega

Goldeen line

Staryu line

Scyther line + Mega Scizor

Electabuzz line

Magmar line

Pinsir + Mega

Tauros

Magikarp line + Mega Gyarados

Lapras

Ditto

Eevee line

Porygon line

Aerodactyl + Mega

Snorlax line

Dratini line

Ledyba line

Spinarak line

Chinchou line

Sudowoodo line

Murkrow line

Misdreavus line

Snubull line

Sneasel line

Corsola

Deliberd

Skarmory

Smeargle

Miltank

Wingull line

Surskit line

Makuhita line

Nosepass line

Sableye + Mega

Carvanha line + Mega Sharpedo

Wailmer line

Torkoal

Spinda (has two sets maybe an extra dizzy version?)

Trapinch line

Barbaoch line

Feebas line

Castform

Absol + Mega

Snorunt line + Mega Glalie

Relicanth

Luvdisc

Bagon line + Mega Salamence

Beldum line + Mega Metagross

Craniados line

Shieldon line

Shellos lines (both forms)

Drifloon line

Gible line + Mega Garchomp

Riolu line + Mega Lucario

Finneon line

Lillipup line

Roggenrola line

Cottonee line

Petilil line

Sandile line

Tirtouga line

Archen line

Trubbish line

Vanillite line

Emolga

Luvdisc

Rufflet line

Vullaby line

Fletchling line

Pancham line

Carbink

Goomy line

Klefki

Phantump line

Zygarde forms (4 blanks after 10% form but I think it has different "collar" gems or something)

[spoiler=Mons with blanks after them so possible totems]

Alolan Raticate

Gumshoos

Vikavolt

Lurantis

Salandit2

Mimikyu

Kommo-o

Thanks! With this I can propely plan my team!

Though it does lack some of my favorites, but oh well.

[The DanMan]

Check Kaphotics/SciresM's twitter. The mediafire link is a download of all of the battle preview sprites, and with it lacking all starters and legendaries before this gen it seems to be the regional dex. Blank images outside of 000.png are likely totems.

Gimme a sec, I can list them. Warning really long.

[spoiler=Non Gen 7 pokemon]Caterpie line

Rattata line + Alolan (blank images after Alolan Raticate)

Spearow line

Pikachu line + Hat Pikachu (two images for each hat but they look the same) + Alolan Raichu

Sandshrew line + Alolan

Clefairy line

Vulpix line + Alolan

Jigglypuff line

Zubat line

Paras line

Diglett line + Alolan

Meowth Line + Alolan

Psyduck line

Mankey line

Growlithe line

Poliwag line

Abra line + Mega Alakazam

Machop line

Tentacool line

Geodude line + Alolan

Slowpoke line + Mega Slowbro

Magnetite line

Grimer line + Alolan

Shellder line

Gastly line + Mega Gengar

Drowzee line

Exeggcute line + Alolan Exeggutor

Cubone line + Alolan Marowak

Chansey line

Kangaskhan + Mega

Goldeen line

Staryu line

Scyther line + Mega Scizor

Electabuzz line

Magmar line

Pinsir + Mega

Tauros

Magikarp line + Mega Gyarados

Lapras

Ditto

Eevee line

Porygon line

Aerodactyl + Mega

Snorlax line

Dratini line

Ledyba line

Spinarak line

Chinchou line

Sudowoodo line

Murkrow line

Misdreavus line

Snubull line

Sneasel line

Corsola

Deliberd

Skarmory

Smeargle

Miltank

Wingull line

Surskit line

Makuhita line

Nosepass line

Sableye + Mega

Carvanha line + Mega Sharpedo

Wailmer line

Torkoal

Spinda (has two sets maybe an extra dizzy version?)

Trapinch line

Barbaoch line

Feebas line

Castform

Absol + Mega

Snorunt line + Mega Glalie

Relicanth

Luvdisc

Bagon line + Mega Salamence

Beldum line + Mega Metagross

Craniados line

Shieldon line

Shellos lines (both forms)

Drifloon line

Gible line + Mega Garchomp

Riolu line + Mega Lucario

Finneon line

Lillipup line

Roggenrola line

Cottonee line

Petilil line

Sandile line

Tirtouga line

Archen line

Trubbish line

Vanillite line

Emolga

Luvdisc

Rufflet line

Vullaby line

Fletchling line

Pancham line

Carbink

Goomy line

Klefki

Phantump line

Zygarde forms (4 blanks after 10% form but I think it has different "collar" gems or something)

[spoiler=Mons with blanks after them so possible totems]

Alolan Raticate

Gumshoos

Vikavolt

Lurantis

Salandit2

Mimikyu

Kommo-o

The thing is, there are two blank spots after Mmikyu. I feel like that may shoot down the idea that they're meant for totem pokemon.

[JSND Alter Dragon Boner]

Alolan Dugtrio actually dumpsters every other Alolan form as far as "potential for this thing to be good" goes its kinda ridiculous. Really looking forward to its new typing or stats update

Also that mon after monkeys is actually so cool

Edited October 18, 2016 by JSND

[Ema Skye]

Supposedly, the data mined demo lacks data for Silvady, so there may be hope for more.

[Espinosa]

Dugtrio: Ground/Fairy? Electric? Nah...

Geodude line: Grass/Ground? Rock/Grass?

[ZemZem]

Dugtrio: Ground/Fairy? Electric? Nah...

Geodude line: Grass/Ground? Rock/Grass?

Rock/Electric

[Konnor97]

The thing is, there are two blank spots after Mmikyu. I feel like that may shoot down the idea that they're meant for totem pokemon.

Why? There's 4 blanks after Mimikyu: Normal Totem Mimikyu, Shiny Totem Mimikyu, Broken Disguise Totem Mimikyu, and Shiny Broken Disguise Totem Mimikyu.

[The DanMan]

Why? There's 4 blanks after Mimikyu: Normal Totem Mimikyu, Shiny Totem Mimikyu, Broken Disguise Totem Mimikyu, and Shiny Broken Disguise Totem Mimikyu.

Huh. The image comparison I saw just had normal Mimikyu and two question marks after it.

[Emeraldfox]

Huh. The image comparison I saw just had normal Mimikyu and two question marks after it.

I think he's making a joke about how he doesn't like Bruxish or Drampa

[JSND Alter Dragon Boner]

Actually now that we got the leaks and likely 1 starter evo each, what exactly is the starter secret?

Super UB slayer Z Move?

Edited October 18, 2016 by JSND

[Konnor97]

I think he's making a joke about how he doesn't like Bruxish or Drampa

No I'm not. I mean yeah I don't like them, but that's not what I'm talking about.

[The DanMan]

Okay in regards to this image:

I'm thinking Gladion is the bottom left one. Its sleek black design fits him much more than Absorption, and it even has shoulder spikes and "shoelaces" that match up.

Edited October 18, 2016 by The DanMan

[King Marth 64]

But they were distributed later.

Okay, apparently there are 7 blank slots in the dex, illustrated here: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvDFzp_WIAAr5i2.jpg (yes, Ultra Beasts count. What a shame.).

Exact counts for the Alolan dex vary, but what I can say for certain is that there are more Kanto Pokemon in it than there are Alolan Pokemon in it. Just... why?

They seem to actually count in the Pokedex, coming right after legendaries but before mythicals/event legendaries. They have battle spot sprites (which is what all the images that people have found are for)- which they wouldn't have unless you could use them there, which means that you can catch them.

Same here. Odd, that. With any luck, the dataminers missed a few things, and the game can be incredible even with a few setbacks or unmet expectations.

I just hope the story is good and that the Ultra Beasts are not just cheaper legendaries. I mean, there has to be a reason why they're called Ultra Beasts and are not shown with any accompanying type or ability - sure, maybe it's to keep it secret until the game actually launches for whatever reason, but then why the special definition? I'll choose to believe they're encounter-only until someone reveals they've got typings.

As someone on Reddit pointed out, Pokéstar Studios' Pokémon had shiny versions as well, as did AZ's Floette, so there's a glimmer of hope.

Also, there's this:

[spoiler=All Ultra Beasts]

Did one of the dataminers say that the Ultra Beasts are the actual characters that transformed into those creatures or not? I wanted to see if one of our theory guesses for Lillie, Gladion, and Lusamine transformed into the first three Ultra Beasts were correct or not. And also, is those other five are actually the other Ultra Beasts correct?

And also, are those three other Pokemon next to Tapu Koko in the image are Tapu Koko's counterparts, correct?

Edited October 18, 2016 by King Marth 64

[Konnor97]

Did one of the dataminers say that the Ultra Beasts are the actual characters that transformed into those creatures or not? I wanted to see if one of our theory guesses for Lillie, Gladion, and Lusamine transformed into the first three Ultra Beasts were correct or not. And also, is those other five are actually the other Ultra Beasts correct?

No, that's only people theorizing. Datamine shows that they scrubbed everything except for a few moves, met locations (in the demo) and the battle spot team preview sprites for all pokemon, shiny and non.

They might not actually be UB, but considering where they're placed and what they look like, I'll be extremely surprised if they weren't.

[Ebony]

I'm hoping we don't catch the UB both for the mystery factor and the uh... especially unfortunate implications of you catching characters like Gladion...

Remind me, what type is Alolan Golem and it's family?

Also if you think the demo is disappointingly short, you haven't played the Yokai Watch 2 demo.

I spent more time playing it then I did the Sun and Moon demo.

... what? You're not supposed to just rush the boss, you can run around a bit.

[Konnor97]

If we can catch UB, I hope they're either replicas, or that characters don't actually turn into them and they just use a character's dna or something.

[Moblin Major General]

Maybe the Ultra Beasts will be like Black/White Kyurem? You know, unable to be caught when battled in story? I don't know how they could be captured or used, but that would be postgame anyway.

[Konnor97]

Some people are theorizing that with those special pokemon listed before Solgaleo/Lunaala, and since they both come before the legendaries with the smaller one first and then the legendaries, the small gaseous one evolves into the star orb one, and that split evos into Solgaleo/Lunaala.

[Honey Bunny]

Has nobody acknowledged that awesome looking Poke next to Wimpod? That looks like its evolution, and you can bet that I'll be trying to catch a Wimpod for it. I wonder what its typing is?

[Emerson]

Some people are theorizing that with those special pokemon listed before Solgaleo/Lunaala, and since they both come before the legendaries with the smaller one first and then the legendaries, the small gaseous one evolves into the star orb one, and that split evos into Solgaleo/Lunaala.

That's what I was thinking. It doesn't feel like they each evolve into a different one, since neither seem to associate with just one. If anything, I feel they both resemble Lunaala more than Solgaleo.

Has nobody acknowledged that awesome looking Poke next to Wimpod? That looks like its evolution, and you can bet that I'll be trying to catch a Wimpod for it. I wonder what its typing is?

I mean, it has the same general design cues and a similar shiny scheme, so it's pretty clear it is its evolution. Wimpod is Bug Water, so it'll probably stay the same. Edited October 18, 2016 by TrueEm