LowTierFE7Tresh Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 We know two things. 1.Sacred Stones is a piss easy game in terms of difficulty 2.It introduced Ross,Ewan and Amelia...the Trainees If FE8 was buffed in terms of difficulty,and without the use of grinding,how would each Trainee fair in battle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayni Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Poorly. Ross can work in the early game, but he still needs a new class before he gets good, and a harder game will make that harder. Ewan coming as late as he does would be doomed in a harder game. Amelia... Yeah, just does not go well. No tower on top of that, and they'd be utterly useless. (except possibly Ross) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 They'd be even worse than they already are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmine Sword Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 They're already bad, so making the game harder would just make them even worse by comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) They'd all suck (and Ewan and Amelia especially would be practically unusable). Edited October 18, 2016 by Levant Mir Celestia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Hey Ross gives you a Hatchet and that's pretty convenient Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalPoke Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) I don't get why they are bad on normal FE8. With grinding they can turn pretty awesome, or at least they did for me. Example: That being said, without grinding they would suck a lot, except Ross maybe. EDIT: Also pls no comments about "hey dude u turned amelia into a paladin haha u suck so much general is so much better lol" Edited October 18, 2016 by CrystalPoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augestein Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Really if they wanted more people to use the trainees, they should have been given to Eirika sooner rather than later. IE, Ross, Ewan and Amelia should have been her first units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flee Fleet! Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) Yeah, they turned out good for me. But then again, it does take some grinding to make them good units, and while Ross might just do fine, as he arrives early, Amelia and Ewan might not get enough time to level up, unless, if they can boss abuse. Amelia would especially be hard to train, as Ewan, despite being a latecomer, has magic, that has 1-2 range, so he could safely steal kills. Amelia needs a Javelin to do attacking from a distance, but I particularly found her to miss most attacks, even against sword users, as a Trainee. So, yeah, Ross and maybe even Ewan may turn out good if they're given the kills, but Amelia would be particularly hard to train, as she's already too frail. Edited October 18, 2016 by Flee Fleet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) I don't get why they are bad on normal FE8. With grinding they can turn pretty awesome, or at least they did for me. Example: That being said, without grinding they would suck a lot, except Ross maybe. EDIT: Also pls no comments about "hey dude u turned amelia into a paladin haha u suck so much general is so much better lol" The issue is, while they'd be usable with grinding, it's not like they're the only ones who benefit from it. Yeah, they turned out good for me. But then again, it does take some grinding to make them good units, and while Ross might just do fine, as he arrives early, Amelia and Ewan might not get enough time to level up, unless, if they can boss abuse. Amelia would especially be hard to train, as Ewan, despite being a latecomer, has magic, that has 1-2 range, so he could safely steal kills. Amelia needs a Javelin to do attacking from a distance, but I particularly found her to miss most attacks, even against sword users, as a Trainee. So, yeah, Ross and maybe even Ewan may turn out good if they're given the kills, but Amelia would be particularly hard to train, as she's already too frail. I doubt it, in Ewan's case. He comes after the halfway point of a game with only 22 chapters, after all. Also, I wouldn't expect boss abusing them to get anywhere since they wouldn't even be able to so much as scratch the bosses that you could conceivably abuse. Edited October 20, 2016 by Levant Mir Celestia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Pelleas Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 They would need some buffs for sure I would buff Amelia's HP by two and her defense by two to increase her survivablity. Amelia definitely needs a buff in her Strength and Skill,if both were given more 5 points along the base stats she would be quite fine. Her defense is suposed to be frail in my point of view so shout all you want,but if summed with Resistance the total of her growths are the same of Ross Ewan's HP,Strenght and Defense by one and his skill by two. Ewan does not need any substancial buff,he is quite mage class in my opinion. Buffing his bases should be sufficient Ross wouldn't need many changes just two points in HP and he would do rather well. As for growth rates Ross looks completely fine,probably buffing his Strength and Speed growth by 5 he would be more useful. These changes could be applied in Vanilla FE8, they would still be hard to train and with tougher enemies they would be the same thing if changed like this(I guess)... Rennac,Knoll and Marisa must also be buffed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Naut Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 I don't get why they are bad on normal FE8. With grinding they can turn pretty awesome, or at least they did for me. This is the key word here Fire Emblem is not a game where you have to grind every little thing from dirt to diamonds. If you have to spend excessive training on one character when another fulfills the same niche with a lot less effort, then there's no reason to use them other than wanting to. Amelia's especially egregious in that she overlaps with three other Cavaliers and Seth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moblin Major General Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Amelia's especially egregious in that she overlaps with three other Cavaliers and Seth. Amelia can also be a Knight, and even though armor has definitely seen better days, take comfort in the fact this isn't FE6. Also, Generals are indispensable in Valni and Lagdou. I also think Ewan is a better Druid than Knoll, and that Ross will always be better than Dozla as a Berserker. He even outdoes Garcia as a Warrior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 The worst part are that Amelia's 10/20/20 averages are just comparable to Franz's and Seth's. What's even the point? Amelia: 47.2HP 22.45Str 23.8Skl 25Spd 29.5Lck 19.1Def 13.05Res Seth: 47.1HP 23.5Str 21.55Skl 20.55Spd 17.17Lck 18.6Def 13.7Res Franz: 52.4HP 23.2Str 21.1Skl 24Spd 17.2Lck 17.5Def 9.6Res But can we talk about that +12Lck average? OP as fuck, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 The problem with trainees is their growths aren't really any better than the rest of units. I'd buff all their growths by 5-10% across the board to make them actually fulfill the niche they're supposed to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrhesia Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 EDIT: Also pls no comments about "hey dude u turned amelia into a paladin haha u suck so much general is so much better lol" I can guarantee that nobody will ever tell you this. Except maybe sarcastically. And yeah the trainees were a neat idea let down by poor execution. Ross was fine, but I think Amelia and Ewan just come too late to be of use as Tier 0 units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Sansa Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 They don't even have good growths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerson Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I used both Ewan and Ross when I played FE8, and both turned out amazing with 0 grinding. Ewan could've been better, but that was on me since I decided to go Summoner with him for fun with Phantoms. He could've been a great Druid too... damn you past me! Granted it was Hard mode/Eirika, so I guess I'll have to see how they fair in Difficult mode/Ephraim route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauce Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Without grinding in vanilla the only one which is usable really is Ross because he can easily gain his first 10 levels in a chapter (or two) and be a strong earlygame pirate. All that making the game harder would do is make Amelia and Ewan even more useless (without tons of babying in the tower). They have it hard enough as it is being completely outclassed (Amelia even outclassed by Chapter 1), difficulty will just make it worse for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I can guarantee that nobody will ever tell you this. Except maybe sarcastically. The only context in which Amelia is a good unit is the Link Arena, which nullifies Paladin's only decisive advantage over General. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeping Dalek (MK) Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Of course, you could Arena grind for them, so they would still at least be viable Ewan I might attempt to use, just because Knoll sux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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