Birdy Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 1 minute ago, SatsumaFSoysoy said: Maybe my -Spd Bunny Lucina is coloring my judgment, but to me, even with Swift Sparrow, she has a lack of firepower, and doesn't reliably take out the people she's supposed to, being the Sword units (and sometimes Tharja). Nino doesn't need no Passives. You can unequip everything except her tome and she's still gonna blow a hole through everything. Thinking about it, I guess maybe Nino and Tharja aren't S+ because while they are very good, they require support to be game-breaking. Though if you ask me, Nino with no buffs is still pretty scary. Considering neutral S!Lucina and Nino and no buffs, S!Lucina has the same attack and 4 more speed on player phase. On enemy phase, Nino has 4 more attack and the same speed. I'd say it's kinda even in that regard. But when you factor in potential buffs, Nino is indeed a better unit. I'm guessing they either didn't calculate in buffs since it would show favorism (though, the game is about synergising units, so I wouldn't agree with that) or they didn't see that reason enough to bump Nino/Tharja to S+ or S!Lucina to A. I'm not sure where I would put all three of them either to be honest, what about you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 OH HELL YES VIRION'S BACK IN THE HOUSE! Team's gonna be Young Tiki, Ephraim (need to level grind like crazy and give him Hone Speed), Spring Camilla (who STILL doesn't have a proc), and Virion. Still need to give Virion a better A skill and Glimmer (when I pull a second Beruka). Time to make things cry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatsumaFSoysoy Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, Birdy said: Considering neutral S!Lucina and Nino and no buffs, S!Lucina has the same attack and 4 more speed on player phase. On enemy phase, Nino has 4 more attack and the same speed. I'd say it's kinda even in that regard. But when you factor in potential buffs, Nino is indeed a better unit. I'm guessing they either didn't calculate in buffs since it would show favorism (though, the game is about synergising units, so I wouldn't agree with that) or they didn't see that reason enough to bump Nino/Tharja to S+ or S!Lucina to A. I'm not sure where I would put all three of them either to be honest, what about you? I guess it's fair to not factor in teammate support in a tier list, since it rates units individually. Eh. I would personally bump Tharja and Nino up, but it makes some sense to put them in S, thinking about it. Maaaaybe keep Bunny Lucina in S, but Reinhardt should be up there with her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuroi Tsubasa Tenshi Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 (edited) I think Spring Lucina may be up there because her high base Spd is conducive to Blarblade(+) shenanigans. Blade tomes generally give their users super overkill Atk, so Spring Lucina having a somewhat lower base doesn't really matter that much when she can consistently double. Before the matchmaking changes, I saw tons of +10 Blarblade+ Spring Lucina teams that were scary as hell. Being a focus character, I'd say she's even better than Linde because she makes just as good use of Blarblade and her banner made her much easier to +10. Vanilla, she's pretty awful, but in terms of overall resources and availability for power, I can definitely see why she'd be up there. EDIT: Score of 4768 (all new matches) Ground Zero (1AM PST Apr 13) - #979 14 Hours Later - #1535 38 Hours Later - #2453 62 Hours later - #3693 86 Hours Later - #4776 Crap, that really nosedived over the weekend. Unless people are seriously lazy over the next 25 hours, RIP the 5k dream. Also, still no defenses despite rotating things around a bunch to fill my defense team with a bunch of dangerous nukes. I kinda wish I had a Reinhardt. I do have a 4* one, but since my offense team is in a position that doesn't really need a Rein, that would mean investing 20 000 feathers on a non-+Atk one to maybe get 500 feathers per week. That would mean 20 weeks of defense victories before I'd even see a profit. So, uh... yeaaaaah. Oh, well, at least the next two weeks should be pretty cool since I'll be able to field my choice offense team—with some wiggle room for roster adjustments, thanks to having both Cherche and Sharena on the bonus list. Edited April 16, 2017 by Kuroi Tsubasa Tenshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clogon Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 2 hours ago, eclipse said: OH HELL YES VIRION'S BACK IN THE HOUSE! Team's gonna be Young Tiki, Ephraim (need to level grind like crazy and give him Hone Speed), Spring Camilla (who STILL doesn't have a proc), and Virion. Still need to give Virion a better A skill and Glimmer (when I pull a second Beruka). Time to make things cry. Why Glimmer? Draconic Aura is better in most cases, even Luna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Motendra Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 I've been meaning to ask, how exactly does one rank in arena? In all my times (which admittedly, wasn't much, once I hit the offensive benchmark), I've always been unranked, and my defense score has never changed at 262 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Motendra said: I've been meaning to ask, how exactly does one rank in arena? In all my times (which admittedly, wasn't much, once I hit the offensive benchmark), I've always been unranked, and my defense score has never changed at 262 Unranked means your score isn't high enough to break into the top 100,000. Your defense score is your highest successful defense score. When an opponent loses or surrenders to your arena defense team, that counts as a successful defense, and the score is based on the rating of the team that lost to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdy Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Motendra said: I've been meaning to ask, how exactly does one rank in arena? In all my times (which admittedly, wasn't much, once I hit the offensive benchmark), I've always been unranked, and my defense score has never changed at 262 You 'just' need to be in atleast the top 100.000 players to rank. Before the Arena update, I think that was somewhere between 4.100 and 4.200. After the update though, it should probably be somewhat higher. The defense score is based on the highest score of an enemy team that challenged your team and lost/forfeited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 19 minutes ago, Clogon said: Why Glimmer? Draconic Aura is better in most cases, even Luna. He already has Night Sky learned, so it's less SP on my end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdy Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Alright, I'm ready for next week, let's see if this is really as good as people praise it to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korath88 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Apparently I scored another 3 defense victories overnight. Really wish I could give them to some of you who have yet to get one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DehNutCase Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Birdy said: Alright, I'm ready for next week, let's see if this is really as good as people praise it to be. It's a Klein that's slightly worse and costs more to make, but it's still a Klein---so pretty decent. Edit: 4 hours ago, eclipse said: OH HELL YES VIRION'S BACK IN THE HOUSE! Team's gonna be Young Tiki, Ephraim (need to level grind like crazy and give him Hone Speed), Spring Camilla (who STILL doesn't have a proc), and Virion. Still need to give Virion a better A skill and Glimmer (when I pull a second Beruka). Time to make things cry. Ah Virion and his glorious 31/31 worse in every way compared to TKJ offenses. Still decent---I imagine he'd be as good as Setsuna after inheritance. 4 hours ago, SatsumaFSoysoy said: I guess it's fair to not factor in teammate support in a tier list, since it rates units individually. Eh. I would personally bump Tharja and Nino up, but it makes some sense to put them in S, thinking about it. Maaaaybe keep Bunny Lucina in S, but Reinhardt should be up there with her. Even with +Atk/+Spd factored in, that's still 8 more attack on Nino vs 4 more speed on S!Lucina (and the +1 to charge does start to matter if you use a relevant special). They'd still belong in the same tier, I'd think. All-in buffs on Nino means you've used up multiple units on that turn just to buff Nino---if you built a team around S!Lucina like you just did for Nino, adding people to pick off people S!Lucina hates etc, I imagine they'd turn out about the same anyway. That said, the tier list is a total joke in general. (Lol S rank Setsuna when she both gets less KOs in absolute numbers and worse match-up spread. If a unit is S tier, L&D Brave Bow+ Setsuna probably doesn't kill it while TKJ do, is basically how it works.) Edited April 17, 2017 by DehNutCase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okigen Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Yay my highest ranking ever! Will get down quickly but I'll enjoy it for a moment :3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 9 minutes ago, DehNutCase said: Ah Virion and his glorious 31/31 worse in every way compared to TKJ offenses. Still decent---I imagine he'd be as good as Setsuna after inheritance. You're about to find out. Had just enough SP for a couple of skills (one of which is Glimmer), which should improve his viability, for my purposes. Kinda want to go the Fury route on this one, but would rather give him a team buff first. Besides, I haven't pulled any of the aforementioned ones, and Virion quite literally carried me through pre-inheritance Arena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DehNutCase Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, eclipse said: You're about to find out. Had just enough SP for a couple of skills (one of which is Glimmer), which should improve his viability, for my purposes. Kinda want to go the Fury route on this one, but would rather give him a team buff first. Besides, I haven't pulled any of the aforementioned ones, and Virion quite literally carried me through pre-inheritance Arena. Just remember to run some Hone or Spur Atk on your team, even my +Atk Klein misses some 2HKOs without Lucina's help. (Unless you're running him with just a Silver+, in which case I have no idea how to rate him.) Edited April 17, 2017 by DehNutCase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdy Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 18 minutes ago, DehNutCase said: It's a Klein that's slightly worse and costs more to make, but it's still a Klein---so pretty decent. Hmm, could be. But I don't have many Klein's, while I had the option of building a 4* 40+10 Setsuna that will give me a lot of Arena points, plus she's a bonus unit for the next two weeks. With the merges, she will do more than any of my Klein's could, with 95 wins and 1 loss against the average 5*. There's so many different options in skills, merges and boons/banes of enemy units though that I generally don't like using those numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, DehNutCase said: Just remember to run some Hone or Spur Atk on your team, even my +Atk Klein misses some 2HKOs without Lucina's help. (Unless you're running him with just a Silver+, in which case I have no idea how to rate him.) Who said his job was to outright kill everything? I have A source of Hone Atk, but it's not ideal (Ephraim). Still, he'll do more damage than my Jakob ever will! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DehNutCase Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 1 minute ago, eclipse said: Who said his job was to outright kill everything? I have A source of Hone Atk, but it's not ideal (Ephraim). Still, he'll do more damage than my Jakob ever will! Poison Dagger+ Jakob, though. (lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Just now, DehNutCase said: Poison Dagger+ Jakob, though. (lol) On -Atk? Even I'M not that insane! Like Jakob, Virion's going to be a debuffer. Unlike Jakob, he won't miss KOs on things like Julia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 I leveled Spring Camilla to 40 just now and tried the arena for kicks and giggles. Still not very many deathless wins but I managed to get 4341 :P Dancer enemies are usually my bane for some reason. I hope I get ranked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanite Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, eclipse said: He already has Night Sky learned, so it's less SP on my end. Too lazy to grind SP eh? Spoiler Anywho my highest rank ever: 4676 gets me at rank 22,702 And I have a 274 defense WOOT WOOT Edited April 17, 2017 by Arcanite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Arcanite said: Too lazy to grind SP eh? Hide contents Anywho my highest rank ever: 4676 gets me at rank 22,702 And I have a 274 defense WOOT WOOT Dang I wish I got defense scores. I've only had a few since the game came out... Edit: Score updated! Ranked at 69k~ so far Edited April 17, 2017 by GuiltyLove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanite Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GuiltyLove said: Dang I wish I got defense scores. I've only had a few since the game came out... Its happened to me too :( Some EZ defense strats: All strong units Strong units + Dancer All one color 2 blue 1 red 1 green 2 (color) 1 (color) dancer but it can't be 2 greens Edited April 17, 2017 by Arcanite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Just now, Arcanite said: All one color Huh really? Why? Sounds risky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiran Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 I just put a couple of annoying units for defense wins. Nabbed 3 this week with Takumi (with Vantage), Ephraim the buffer, Nino+1 (with Fury), and Ryoma (with Vantage) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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