MacLovin Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 (edited) imagine how good Geronimo would be if his skills were all party buffs. man Helena's 1st skill looks so stupidly useful. getting archer monuments and stuff for Billy when America comes. did the diarmud/nursery rhyme interludes and got myself 4 sq and an apple from raised bond levels. Spoiler @N30 There's a theory about the lostbelt Rider being Ogier the Dane. How likely is this? Edited March 12, 2018 by Czarpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiki Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, JSND Alter Dragon Boner said: Is this really the best way to say it when the reason Golden Rule is good is the base 1.8 instead of the hitcount? I mean objectively speaking Gilgamesh have worse NP gain than Post buff Iskandar who have 3/2/1 Also i think his charm is fine(in a boss fight Charm's effect is almost as good as Tamamo's NP), its just that.... the way its used is awkward due to the numbers I'm not sure what you are exactly talking about. Considering his charm doesn't even have a reliable hitrate in a game where status effect only work against you I don't consider his skill (or any Charm-based skill) any good. Doesn't help that a lot of Servants have Magic Resistance to further lower the chance to make it stick. 14 hours ago, Czarpy said: imagine how good Geronimo would be if his skills were all party buffs. Sad part is that Helena's 1st skill is his entire kit in a nutshell (just with a lower multiplier). Targetable would have been enough to make him stand out a bit. Also needs a better NP because what are these effects? Edited March 12, 2018 by Zeratul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Zeratul said: I'm not sure what you are exactly talking about. Considering his charm doesn't even have a reliable hitrate in a game where status effect only work against you I don't consider his skill (or any Charm-based skill) any good. Doesn't help that a lot of Servants have Magic Resistance to further lower the chance to make it stick. Sad part is that Helena's 1st skill is his entire kit in a nutshell (just with a lower multiplier). Targetable would have been enough to make him stand out a bit. Also needs a better NP because what are these effects? Ko Gil have 3/3/3 hit with base 1.8 gain. So describing his NP gain through hitcount isnt exactly the best way to do it imo what with it being slightly better than Artoria and strictly worse than Iskandar/Lance and say Waver who have 3:2 or 2:1 on their Quick : Arts As for his Charm i actually forgot Gate of Babylon only lasts a turn which is such a dumb oversight >_> i was thinking at max he could drop 95% charm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YotsuMaboroshi Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Zeratul said: Sad part is that Helena's 1st skill is his entire kit in a nutshell (just with a lower multiplier). Targetable would have been enough to make him stand out a bit. Also needs a better NP because what are these effects? Helena's third skill is the card buffs. First skill is the NP charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingle Jangle Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 I wanted Drake a little bit so I used a ticket on her banner. What I got was a Iron Willed Training card. Neat, I guess I'll put it on Mash to make her even more of a wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 I'm bored so lets make some sort of "skills on a vacuum" tier list Spoiler S+++++ Tier: Pride of the Rearguard S+ Tier: Rapid Divine Words Fifth Form Bladeless State Shield of Rousing Resolution Mana Inversion Hawkeye Protection from Arrows Princess of Loveliness Protection Against The Wind Hero Creation Thrice Setting Sun Warrior's Blessing S Tier: Knight of Owner Clairvoyance Beauty Legend of Dracula Sovereign of Magic Wands Fox Wedding Dreamlike Charisma Stheno Charisma Medb Charisma Liz Charisma All of Waver's skills Harp of Healing Illusion Demonic Magic Imaginary Around A+ Tier: Dragon Slayer Madness of the Spirits Exalted Impervious Wall of Chalk Protection from Ra(S with some skills) Glory of the Past Blessing from the end of the World Aversion of Labrys Self Modification Ashes of Kama Protection of Faith Mystic Eye of Death Perception Obscurant Wall of Chalk Mind's Eye Guardian Knight Thousand Mile Dash God's Resolution(False) A Tier: Incitement Mana Burst - Jewell Most mana Burst really Charisma Vampirism Pioneer of the Stars Kiss Demon Pursuit of the Unknown Magical Tuning Eternal Arms Mastery Stars from the Sky Strategy B: Evaporation of Sanity Imperial Priviledge(borderline S when used with Protection from Ra) Hero of the Endowed Golden Rule/Galvanism God's Resolution Instinct Innocent Monster Revelation C: True Name Discernment Disengage Clairvoyance Journey of the Flower Most Stun Most Charm Battle Continuation(A when solo) D: Gilles Caster skillset Artistic Aesthetic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, JSND Alter Dragon Boner said: I'm bored so lets make some sort of "skills on a vacuum" tier list Hide contents S+++++ Tier: Pride of the Rearguard S+ Tier: Rapid Divine Words Fifth Form Bladeless State Shield of Rousing Resolution Mana Inversion Hawkeye Protection from Arrows Princess of Loveliness Protection Against The Wind Hero Creation Thrice Setting Sun Warrior's Blessing S Tier: Knight of Owner Clairvoyance Beauty Legend of Dracula Sovereign of Magic Wands Fox Wedding Dreamlike Charisma Stheno Charisma Medb Charisma Liz Charisma All of Waver's skills Harp of Healing Illusion Demonic Magic Imaginary Around A+ Tier: Dragon Slayer Madness of the Spirits Exalted Impervious Wall of Chalk Protection from Ra(S with some skills) Glory of the Past Blessing from the end of the World Aversion of Labrys Self Modification Ashes of Kama Protection of Faith Mystic Eye of Death Perception Obscurant Wall of Chalk Mind's Eye Guardian Knight Thousand Mile Dash God's Resolution(False) A Tier: Incitement Mana Burst - Jewell Most mana Burst really Charisma Vampirism Pioneer of the Stars Kiss Demon Pursuit of the Unknown Magical Tuning Eternal Arms Mastery Stars from the Sky Strategy B: Evaporation of Sanity Imperial Priviledge(borderline S when used with Protection from Ra) Hero of the Endowed Golden Rule/Galvanism God's Resolution Instinct Innocent Monster Revelation C: True Name Discernment Disengage Clairvoyance Journey of the Flower Most Stun Most Charm Battle Continuation(A when solo) D: Gilles Caster skillset Artistic Aesthetic Fox's Wedding should go up a tier. The heal+art card boost is just too good. hng I want to get a good AoE Lancer sometime. Should I aim for Lartoria or Karna? (Hector isn't really cutting it outside of farming.) man Leonidas makes farming the archer daily kinda easily. party buster boost on Lalter/karna support+Bryn makes for ded Gilgamesh. Edited March 12, 2018 by Czarpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N30 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 @Czarpy Spoiler As likely as some people saying he's Palmides or w/e. Read: We don't know, and his design doesn't help on that regard. Wait and hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, N30 said: @Czarpy Hide contents As likely as some people saying he's Palmides or w/e. Read: We don't know, and his design doesn't help on that regard. Wait and hope Spoiler I love how the FGO groups on FB are going totally apeshit. it's amusing as fuck man I can't wait to get my Billy It's gonna be so fun waltzing around with 160% crit damage boosted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiki Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 21 hours ago, JSND Alter Dragon Boner said: Ko Gil have 3/3/3 hit with base 1.8 gain. So describing his NP gain through hitcount isnt exactly the best way to do it imo what with it being slightly better than Artoria and strictly worse than Iskandar/Lance and say Waver who have 3:2 or 2:1 on their Quick : Arts Keep in mind though that high hit count are more valuable in regards of card buffs. Not to mention Iskandar is only better with his single Quick card while they clock around even with Arts. Buster doesn't matter though 3 hits are better for stargen than 1. Plus once Golden Rule is in effect he has better NP gain than either of these. 20 hours ago, YotsuMaboroshi said: Helena's third skill is the card buffs. First skill is the NP charge. Oh, yeah. My bad. Edited March 13, 2018 by Zeratul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Zeratul said: Keep in mind though that high hit count are more valuable in regards of card buffs. uhh explain? Wasn't Hitcount + buff interaction mainly comes into play with Star Drop Rate buff? That said yeah Golden Rule makes the difference real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiki Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 5 hours ago, JSND Alter Dragon Boner said: Wasn't Hitcount + buff interaction mainly comes into play with Star Drop Rate buff? Pretty sure that NP gain is also affected. Otherwise Servants like Okita or Jack wouldn't enjoy such high overall NP gain from AQQ and Scathach's preferred NP chain is ABB thanks to her loop-sided hit counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Zeratul said: Pretty sure that NP gain is also affected. Otherwise Servants like Okita or Jack wouldn't enjoy such high overall NP gain from AQQ and Scathach's preferred NP chain is ABB thanks to her loop-sided hit counts. Okita and Jack does have 1.0 base gain for 5.0s on their Quicks though. THeir NP gain comes from having that base and the hitcount Sca is a special case though Their NP gain isn't even that much better than Carmilla who is 3 hits lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) ugh I guess I'll farm some pages/horseshoes for George to get him to FA. I have about enough seeds to get saber lily to FA once I get the Da Vinci event exp cards. Unless I magically roll myself a Nightengale, I'm only gonna farm enough seeds for Benkei. Man I just wanna get a bunch of copies of Billy so I can get him to have some fun shenanigans. Rule 63 Kojirou and co. Spoiler http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2018/03/13/tokyo-bay-summons-hokusai-and-daughter-for-fatego-art-event i want a hokusai poster like that. Edited March 14, 2018 by Czarpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInternetExplorer Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Oh wow, I haven't looked at this thread in forever. @Sire I dropped F/GO NA and gave my account to someone on Reddit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 so I decided to use my current SQ to roll for Fran. I got an imaginary around and I got Robin to NP5. Eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexmender Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I just started playing this again after dropping it because it felt a bit overwhelming the first time. This time I'm holding my own a lot better although I'm still a total newb who's starting Nero wank fest Septem. I hope I can last for a while with a NP2 Medea, Elizabeth, NP3 Regend and support Waver/Shiki/Dantes because that's all I got until I try my luck with Jalter. Maybe the friend gacha will be kind and grant me a Medusa to cover my lack of Riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Alexmender said: I just started playing this again after dropping it because it felt a bit overwhelming the first time. This time I'm holding my own a lot better although I'm still a total newb who's starting Nero wank fest Septem. I hope I can last for a while with a NP2 Medea, Elizabeth, NP3 Regend and support Waver/Shiki/Dantes because that's all I got until I try my luck with Jalter. Maybe the friend gacha will be kind and grant me a Medusa to cover my lack of Riders. literally any rider, bar Boudicca, will fit your bill. Elizabeth+female unit team sounds fun. I hear she gets a female only buff to her charisma skill later on. (Don't be afraid to roll the America banner. Jalter isn't the end of the world.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YotsuMaboroshi Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 The US Chaldea Broadcasting Station is streaming tonight at 6pm PDT, which is 3 hours before maintenance (and roughly 2 hours from the time of this post). If the FB post for it gets up to 3k shares before the broadcast, we get an additional 10 SQ for the release (this is in addition to the previous campaign bonus for the chapter release, which met all it's goals, IIRC). Hopefully the "surprise" for the broadcast is more animation updates (Robin, Liz and Bride Nero are possibilities since they appear in America, but any updates are always welcome). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, YotsuMaboroshi said: The US Chaldea Broadcasting Station is streaming tonight at 6pm PDT, which is 3 hours before maintenance (and roughly 2 hours from the time of this post). If the FB post for it gets up to 3k shares before the broadcast, we get an additional 10 SQ for the release (this is in addition to the previous campaign bonus for the chapter release, which met all it's goals, IIRC). Hopefully the "surprise" for the broadcast is more animation updates (Robin, Liz and Bride Nero are possibilities since they appear in America, but any updates are always welcome). isn't there like a bunch of SQ per certain milestones past 3k shares? man i read the summary for america and it's crazy Spoiler i find it funny that each faction has one Indian hero, like they're some kinda WMD alongside the other nukes of each faction. (Cu Alter, Tesla, Scatach) seems Fionn and Beowulf really get shafted here tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YotsuMaboroshi Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Czarpy said: isn't there like a bunch of SQ per certain milestones past 3k shares? The milestones are for 1k (3SQ), 2k(+3SQ) and 3k(+4SQ) shares. So 10SQ if we hit 3k. Edit: You're probably think of the chapter campaign, which had goals from 5k shares to 10k, or 15k likes to 25k. Those were already met, so we're getting 10SQ from that already. The broadcast goals are new today. Edited March 14, 2018 by YotsuMaboroshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, YotsuMaboroshi said: The milestones are for 1k (3SQ), 2k(+3SQ) and 3k(+4SQ) shares. oh cool I've got a little stash of google play cash rn. I really want to get Helena, so I'll use it for one or two rolls. (Hey I'm pretty much guaranteed Billy at least so there's that.) man I remember what someone here said about casters being fucking broken in terms of support capacity. I look at Geronimo and I wonder if his skillset would have been better suited if he was an archer/rider/lancer/assassin/berserker. imagine if they have the same kinda server issues that they did in december and we all get showered in SQ. HAHAHHAHAA SABER LILY GOT BUFFED. I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING i mean yeah sure she needed one, but how do they keep passing over the OG saber sauce in pic Edited March 14, 2018 by Czarpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexmender Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Czarpy said: literally any rider, bar Boudicca, will fit your bill. Elizabeth+female unit team sounds fun. I hear she gets a female only buff to her charisma skill later on. (Don't be afraid to roll the America banner. Jalter isn't the end of the world.) Nice! I'm glad I decided to stick with Liz even if every guide says to reroll for Heracles but I like my tone deaf idol better. Who's on America again? I know that Nightingale and Helena are there but I can't remember the others. Then again I have only like 70 quartz and I'd prefer to get at least 150+ before trying to roll for anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YotsuMaboroshi Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alexmender said: Nice! I'm glad I decided to stick with Liz even if every guide says to reroll for Heracles but I like my tone deaf idol better. Who's on America again? I know that Nightingale and Helena are there but I can't remember the others. Then again I have only like 70 quartz and I'd prefer to get at least 150+ before trying to roll for anything. TBH, you can clear most content with almost whoever you want. It's far better to roll for servants you like and work around that than to try for "meta" (obvious exception being if you're someone who only enjoys playing meta, but that sort of person is probably doomed to either whale-dom or E-rank luck due to power creep). I personally kept an account with Marie and Liz as my main account, despite having rolled a few 5 stars during my rerolling. The initial E Pluribus Unum banner has rate ups for Nightingale (5*), Helena (4*), Rama(4*), Billy(3*), and Geronimo(3*), with Billy and Geronimo being added to the FP gacha at the same time. It also has 3 CEs on rate up, but none of them are particularly noteworthy. If we follow JP, we'll get the rate ups on the story locked servants on two separate banners a little later: Spoiler One banner with just Medb (5*), and one with both Thomas Edison (4*) and Cu Alter (5*). No CE rate ups on these banners IIRC. Edit: There's a possibility of Jalter coming before the story lock banners, as I think it did in JP, but NA might change the banner order. Edited March 15, 2018 by YotsuMaboroshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 20 minutes ago, YotsuMaboroshi said: TBH, you can clear most content with almost whoever you want. It's far better to roll for servants you like and work around that than to try for "meta" (obvious exception being if you're someone who only enjoys playing meta, but that sort of person is probably doomed to either whale-dom or E-rank luck due to power creep). I personally kept an account with Marie and Liz as my main account, despite having rolled a few 5 stars during my rerolling. The initial E Pluribus Unum banner has rate ups for Nightingale (5*), Helena (4*), Rama(4*), Billy(3*), and Geronimo(3*), with Billy and Geronimo being added to the FP gacha at the same time. It also has 3 CEs on rate up, but none of them are particularly noteworthy. If we follow JP, we'll get the rate ups on the story locked servants on two separate banners a little later: Hide contents One banner with just Medb (5*), and one with both Thomas Edison (4*) and Cu Alter (5*). No CE rate ups on these banners IIRC. Edit: There's a possibility of Jalter coming before the story lock banners, as I think it did in JP, but NA might change the banner order. Spoiler we know who's gonna be so salty after saving SQ since launch FOR JALTER lol the official FGO stream is crazy rn the guest got 3 SRs from the starter roll. 1 hour ago, Alexmender said: Nice! I'm glad I decided to stick with Liz even if every guide says to reroll for Heracles but I like my tone deaf idol better. Who's on America again? I know that Nightingale and Helena are there but I can't remember the others. Then again I have only like 70 quartz and I'd prefer to get at least 150+ before trying to roll for anything. just roll for your faves https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12am98q-n71B5hV6kbOhqaMCpVT9gEyL82ihM98PZEG0/edit#gid=1747575292 If you want rama/nightengale/helena/geronimo/billy, then this is the roll for you iirc, the only crappy servant on rate-up geronimo, but he's cheap enough to raise anyways lol. besides, if you pull nightengale, she works with liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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