Codename Shrimp Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, Eltosian Kadath said: The game is very explicit about Alm not thinking beyond his battles repeatedly. Yet he never gets punished for it, and the whole family shtick is a flimsy thing at best, since he wasn't the one to start the war. Infact, Alm is proven right every time. 7 minutes ago, Eltosian Kadath said: they are about the same as Mark (who only adds a birth month to that), a character who has been uncontested as an Avatar for a long time. Mark has no character, Alear is a set character. That's a big difference. 8 minutes ago, Eltosian Kadath said: Tutorializing UI describes Alear as you Tutorials usually speak to the player, not to the MC. They are suppossed to help the player, and the "you" there never refer to Alear 8 minutes ago, Eltosian Kadath said: uniquely having us see the world through Alear's eyes, PoV does not an Avatar make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Since there's no EXP or items to gain proper, I just tend to go for the bosses to end them quicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rubenio Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 9 minutes ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said: And in what way is Alear different? None They can be named and their gender can be changed. And occassionally the game calls them "you" and lets you see through their eyes in a first person view, but not always. That's... literally it. That's what I'm saying, there are a few little things that indicate to a half-hearted attempt at making them an avatar, but they clearly didn't try very hard. At that point, might as well have dispensed with the pretense and let the voice actors say "Alear." Would've been for the best, if you ask me. 9 minutes ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said: Yes, this i agree with. The Tacticians are more avatar-ish than anything else, as they are close to our role as the player. But they have their own character and aren't us, but it's the closest more like to how much the game falls over their head to make that character always clean and feel good, and never wrong - and Alm is the worst case of that in the series. So none of them and the most jarring and universe breaking because of it. Eyup. We're not disagreeing on any point here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armagon Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Holy fuck the dropoff from Hard to Normal is insane. For the sake of speed, i will finish it on this. And probably any future runs so i can get the characters onto the main game ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Armagon said: Holy fuck the dropoff from Hard to Normal is insane. For the sake of speed, i will finish it on this. And probably any future runs so i can get the characters onto the main game ASAP. Don't worry, Xenologue 5 makes up for it, mwahahahahahaha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armagon Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Oh the bosses just.....don't have revival stones on Normal Mide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rubenio Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, Armagon said: Holy fuck the dropoff from Hard to Normal is insane. For the sake of speed, i will finish it on this. And probably any future runs so i can get the characters onto the main game ASAP. I'm not sure how advisable that is, actually. From what I've read, the characters come at set levels that are very much not appropriate for the earliest unlock time. Basically, it's like getting folks like Pandreo, Goldmary and Rosado in chapter 6. ...I know, super bizarre design choice for a group of DLC characters. Honestly, this DLC campaign just seems so weird in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Not to mention, their levels will add to the internal average for Skirmishes. So getting five very high if not maxed out characters that early will... uh huh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armagon Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, Saint Rubenio said: I'm not sure how advisable that is, actually. From what I've read, the characters come at set levels that are very much not appropriate for the earliest unlock time. Basically, it's like getting folks like Pandreo, Goldmary and Rosado in chapter 6. ...I know, super bizarre design choice for a group of DLC characters. Honestly, this DLC campaign just seems so weird in general. ASAP as in do the DLC as fast as possible. I wouldn't be doing it frame 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ping Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 27 minutes ago, Saint Rubenio said: looooooooooool This reminds me of the time I went on the wikia article for Meme Man's join chapter in Radiant Dawn, and found an angry rant over the mage reinforcement carrying meteor. It has since been edited to just indicate that there's a guy with meteor that appears as a reinforcement, sadly. Reminds me of an ancient little journalism story in Germany where somebody edited an extra name into the then-new minister for economic's wikipedia article, which was then copied by numerous newspapers and magazins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingKitsune Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 7 hours ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said: *shipping googles on* Hey, I was reading this manga! The premise is pretty cool and good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eltosian Kadath Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said: Yet he never gets punished for it, and the whole family shtick is a flimsy thing at best, The unintended murder of a family member has literally been describe as the greatest of tragedies since the times of ancient Greece. How much worse were you expecting him to be punished? Â 11 minutes ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said: Alm is proven right every time. Is he? Often he is only proven right if you play the battles perfectly to make him right. Even then, is he right about Nuibaba having Celica captured? Is he right to murder the blackmailed Zeke instead? Was he right to pointlessly murder his own father when his final path would be the one laid out by the man? Was he right to try and prevent Celica's act of willing self-sacrifice, when it was the only way to convince Mila to release the Falchion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armagon Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Xenolouge 5 looks like a map of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Armagon said: Xenolouge 5 looks like a map of all time. It has its trick. Don't open unless you want to... Spoiler I had Nel Warp Ragnarok away. Then had everybody stick to the little room west of Alear. Used Soren!Ivy and Ike!Diamant to murder everything coming into the bottleneck that was the narrow hallway south of Alear. Then once Nil came, I took advantage only he and one other enemy could attack me. Due to Nil's absurdly high Res, it's best to bring lots of Physical Emblems. Tiki is a good one. Céline could shave of 17 HP with the smashing attack, for example. Exploit backup attacks. Added a bit more. Edited April 5, 2023 by Acacia Sgt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightcosmo Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 45 minutes ago, Saint Rubenio said: the game calls them "you But by this mentality Milla Maxwell from ToX is an Abatar cause they refer to her as "you". Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 People refer to us as "You". Are we all Avatars in the game that is Real Life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rubenio Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, Lightcosmo said: But by this mentality Milla Maxwell from ToX is an Abatar cause they refer to her as "you". Haha Well, I never claimed it's an exact science. It's not any one specific thing, it's a combination of details intended to make the player character feel like a player stand-in. 1 minute ago, Acacia Sgt said: People refer to us as "You". Are we all Avatars in the game that is Real Life? Yes. We are all avatars. We are all blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename Shrimp Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Saint Rubenio said: That's what I'm saying, there are a few little things that indicate to a half-hearted attempt at making them an avatar, but they clearly didn't try very hard. So not an avatar and the mechanics only backed in cuz popularity. 34 minutes ago, FlyingKitsune said: Hey, I was reading this manga! The premise is pretty cool and good. Ikr 😄 32 minutes ago, Eltosian Kadath said: How much worse were you expecting him to be punished? By losing someone actually important to him? And not "Oh no we were family all along" my reaction is "All right move on" 32 minutes ago, Eltosian Kadath said: Often he is only proven right if you play the battles perfectly to make him right Ah so player inserting Avatar. 32 minutes ago, Eltosian Kadath said: Even then, is he right about Nuibaba having Celica captured? How is that on Alm? 32 minutes ago, Eltosian Kadath said: s he right to murder the blackmailed Zeke instead? Was he right to pointlessly murder his own father when his final path would be the one laid out by the man? Was he right to try and prevent Celica's act of willing self-sacrifice, when it was the only way to convince Mila to release the Falchion? yes. None of that is him and infact the game bends over to not make him do anything wrong. It's not like his "family" deserved any better 12 minutes ago, Lightcosmo said: But by this mentality Milla Maxwell from ToX is an Abatar cause they refer to her as "you". Haha By that almost every MC is an avatar tbh Edited April 5, 2023 by Shrimpy -Limited Edition- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightcosmo Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Just now, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said: By that almost every MC is an avatar tbh I just thought it was funny, not sure about anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingKitsune Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Saint Rubenio said: Yes. We are all avatars. We are all blue. What if I wanna become red? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename Shrimp Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Honestly, Alm is worse than Corrin with how much undeserved praise and worship he gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rubenio Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said: So not an avatar and the mechanics only backed in cuz popularity. Pretty much, yes. 3 minutes ago, FlyingKitsune said: What if I wanna become red? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename Shrimp Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 (edited) Ike an avatar confirmed Another one Edited April 5, 2023 by Shrimpy -Limited Edition- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingKitsune Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, Saint Rubenio said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rubenio Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said: Ike an avatar confirmed It was only one part of it, one Plus Ike is nowhere in this scene so she's actually breaking the 4th wall, checkmate atheists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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