Super Smash Bros Universe Mafia

[Paperblade]

fixed that

[Percivalé]

Semi-related: Levity is probably scum. We can worry about it later but I didn't want to die without saying that.

ok

to be completely honest I'm a little disillusioned from the last game still and I'm not actually going to listen to what you say in games anymore

[eclipse]

You're altering the day's progress because it means your vote won't always be on what you'd consider the best possible option if you'd already received input from everybody, which makes your opinions harder to reflect and alters how you help build wagons. People have timezones, and if you have to wait for them to respond every time, you're going to fall behind and keep everybody else down as a result.

Also this is more a "no you're wrong stop attacking me go away" than a defense.

I still want an eclipse lynch. Yeah, she's ill, but she was scummy before she cited IRL issues. It sucks but doesn't mean she's town. If you're a meta player, then go ISO her Golden Sun play and consider how she had the exact same protown fluff -> votepark -> switch votepark onto next votepark target pattern during that D1 too.

I would lynch Impy over Kay though.

Again, you are assuming that I'm the driving force behind a lynch. I'm just One Opinion, and so are you (unless you're a mayor or something). I will be extremely disappointed if the rest of the game isn't willing to draw their own conclusions; this isn't OC follow-the-leader (yet). ISOing exists, and stringing my opinions together isn't rocket science.

This is more of a "stop demanding everyone do as you say because you think you're right" post, because I have yet to see you admit that your conclusions were wrong (see: Carnival Phantasm afterthoughts).

But you quoted Manix's post. Where he said that he didn't know other people would vote on Marth after he did so. Maybe I seriously misread your post but you said the stuff about the tenses immediately following a quote of Manix's post, inside of a post aimed at Manix. Yeah, you know what you meant to say and I don't know, but if you really were not addressing Manix then your post just confuses me.

I thought he was referring to Banana's lynch, not Marth's one. This one looks like it could go either way, so sorry for the confusion.

Going back to lie down.

[Subieko]

I thought he was referring to Banana's lynch, not Marth's one. This one looks like it could go either way, so sorry for the confusion.

Going back to lie down.

Oh, I see. Yes, if he was referring to his vote on SB then it would have been odd to use past tense. Hm, I still find that and your responses to me odd but I'm having trouble putting my finger on why.

Hope you feel better soon. :(

[Percivalé]

I'm still really behind but I agree with Eclipse's point on that people follow Prims too much and it's irritating

That said, though, I'm leaning town on him this game because he seems much more confident and less agitated with his opinions.

##Unvote

Reading further through Manix's posts is making me feel a little better

I'm going to ISO Eclipse and Subie

[Prims]

my conclusions weren't wrong, marth was a death godfather. no idea what you're talking about

Seriously though I'll admit my conclusions are wrong if you flip town, but I'm not convinced you will.

You're slowing down other people because it benifits them to have those responses from the people you want to press as well.

I will concede this seems more like a playstyle disagreement but I think the way you applied it to make voteparks without giving actual priorities between your targets combined with the amount of pro-town fluff early on is scummy.

[Kay]

So what I said about proto dodging around the fact that he doesn't want to be held responsible is making me look worse?

Question if you think someone is truly scum, shouldn't you vote them and put front reasons as to why your voting them? Yes.

Okay so if you did this and you think someone is truly scum you would want the supposed scum lynched right? Yes.

However proto says he is putting his vote on me and yet he isn't wanting to be at fault if a bandwagon starts yet he thinks I am scum, if he truly thinks I'm scum, why isn't he trying to convince others to lynch me? Generally when I've seen this type of attitude it's because it was a scum player wanting someone to be ninja lynched or just lynched in general but they didn't want to be at fault when the player flipped town, I've used this same thing before.

I can't help but notice the fact that Kay who has been scummy to me all game since I noticed that she was doing nothing is now defending the person who has put a scummy vote on me while completely ignoring what proto did.

So how is everything I'm saying making me look worse again? Should I just let proto get by with saying what he said? Do you want me to go back to lurking or something and just not saying anything aggressively to any players in this game? Then town gets no info out of me and if maf kill me there is nothing to off of. My vote stays on Kay for being particularly scummy, not being inactive. Apparently I'm making myself look worse for questioning protos vote on me when he had already removed his vote from me and for his scummy reasoning on why he thinks I should be lynched, yet he doesn't want to be called out on it if a bandwagon starts.

Based off of that sentence and then him posting again that he doesn't want clipsey lynched I'm more inclined to think clipsey is town, also he doesn't know about Kay, which makes me think she's even more scummy than before.

Bolded part was the important part though.

Okay. It was an exaggeration that everything you said made you look worse. Your point about Proto wasn't bad, and exactly where was I defending him? What's bad is your repeated insistence that you're not defensive or jumpy or anything, and that post just proved otherwise so much it's not even funny.

[Shinori]

How was I defensive or jumpy for pointing out flawed logic that was posted in thread? Please, explain. You keep making yourself look worse in MY eyes.

[Prims]

honestly I think we're observing the rare Town Shinori itg

[eclipse]

my conclusions weren't wrong, marth was a death godfather. no idea what you're talking about

Seriously though I'll admit my conclusions are wrong if you flip town, but I'm not convinced you will.

You're slowing down other people because it benifits them to have those responses from the people you want to press as well.

I will concede this seems more like a playstyle disagreement but I think the way you applied it to make voteparks without giving actual priorities between your targets combined with the amount of pro-town fluff early on is scummy.

People don't have to wait for me, my plans, etc. Nothing's stopping them from doing their own lines of questioning, drawing their own conclusions, and otherwise playing the game. I'm one piece of this puzzle, and if my pace determines day flow, then something is seriously wrong. From what I see in the thread, it looks like people are doing just fine without having to wait on whatever plans I have. Thus, I don't see the problem.

My main priority right now is to drink as much water as possible so I can sit up for more than five minutes. My body wants food, and my stomach doesn't. I have a good idea who I don't want lynched, and it seems the rest of the game agrees with me. I'm not happy with Marth/Manix, but I don't see either of them being lynched today. Of Kay/Impy, Kay's been paying more attention to the game as usual, whereas Impy doesn't seem to be doing much of anything; thus, my vote. Kind of wish Iris would be more memorable, and Proto wouldn't make himself memorable by posting things that make me facepalm (which sucks when you're dizzy).

And rare town Shinori? This is exactly how he acted in Higurashi.

[Kay]

How was I defensive or jumpy for pointing out flawed logic that was posted in thread? Please, explain. You keep making yourself look worse in MY eyes.

Because it was basically "no, look, Proto is scummy. I'm not scummy, no way I'm scummy, Proto is the scummy one! Just look at how incredibly unscummy I am and all the scummy things I'm not doing! Oh yeah, and Kay is scummy, but I am definitely not scummy. See, other people are scummy, not me, don't look at me!"

[Shinori]

Who the fuck wants attention specifically on themselves? So I'm supposedly scummy for trying to divert attention away from me so town doesn't mislynch even though I'm pointing out flawed logic which you even VERIFIED that what proto said didn't look good. How does that make sense at all? Aren't you contradicting yourself?

[Iris]

Eclipse is always sick. Seriously. (Get well soon, though!)

Who's the other person you're referring to here? I think I'm missing something obvious in your post, but it's not clear to me.

I was referring to the two main wagons (not you; Kay and eclipse at the time).

After ISOing Kay, Imp, and eclipse, I'm not feeling the Kay / Imp lynches as much (Imp needs real and more opinions) and by default, the person who I thought looked worse was eclipse.

##Unvote: Subieko

##Vote: eclipse

I suppose this makes things more complicated, especially since this is probably last post of the night, since I need to get up early and I'm not staying up till 4 am. :/

[Subieko]

Eclipse is always sick. Seriously. (Get well soon, though!)

I was referring to the two main wagons (not you; Kay and eclipse at the time).

After ISOing Kay, Imp, and eclipse, I'm not feeling the Kay / Imp lynches as much (Imp needs real and more opinions) and by default, the person who I thought looked worse was eclipse.

##Unvote: Subieko

##Vote: eclipse

I suppose this makes things more complicated, especially since this is probably last post of the night, since I need to get up early and I'm not staying up till 4 am. :/

Given that you say in your own post that Imp lacks real opinions, why is Eclipse scummier?

[Subieko]

@Iris I just iso'd you and you haven't mentioned Eclipse prior to this post. Since when have you thought she looked worse, or had any thoughts about her at all for that matter?

[Iris]

jk, I'm an insomniac so I'll probably be up for another five to ten minutes

Given that you say in your own post that Imp lacks real opinions, why is Eclipse scummier?

@Iris I just iso'd you and you haven't mentioned Eclipse prior to this post. Since when have you thought she looked worse, or had any thoughts about her at all for that matter?

I've thought so since I've ISOd the three of them. It wasn't an old thing, that's for sure. I haven't had strong opinions on the three of them, and the the 3 primary wagons focused on those three, so I took the time to ISO them, read what other people thought about them, etc. You're reaching, or kind of imitating what someone did to you, by asking 'oh you didn't think this person was scum earlier'. In addition,'worse' is a comparative word, if I need to remind you, so to me, eclipse looks worse to me compared to Kay and Imp. In earlier posts I've mentioned that Imp struck me as a disinterested player, and she still does, but out of the three, I feel that: eclipse > Imp > Kay.

[Iris]

btw, Imp, stop lurking, now it's getting on my nerves

and since when were there that many anonymous users in the mafia subforum

[eclipse]

That's not a very helpful vote, Iris.

[Grace]

Iris, I'm not quite convinced you actually know why you're voting Clipsey besides "she is scum by exclusion".

Could you please elaborate on why you voted Clipsey? For the sake of information.

I'm not sold on Clipsey since her crackdown, but ehhhhh

[Iris]

Iris, I'm not quite convinced you actually know why you're voting Clipsey besides "she is scum by exclusion".

Could you please elaborate on why you voted Clipsey? For the sake of information.

I'm not sold on Clipsey since her crackdown, but ehhhhh

probably because i can't think at 2 in the morning

It's less of "she's scum by exclusion" and more of out of the three I think she's more likely to turn up scum out of the three, I'm noting my preference of the lynch. If you're not feeling the eclipse lynch, feel free not to vote for it.

okay i think i'm actually sleeping now and srsly Imp stop lurking

[Grace]

I was more wanting a reason why Clipsey is scum, but whatev

I'm not sold on town!Clipsey myself, but SB right now looks far worse than Clipsey.

[Shinori]

I really don't like the fact that we currently have a tie and i really don't like the eclipse lynch at the moment. But that's more of a gut feeling I think. I'd much prefer one of kay proto or imp if i had to. I also originally didn't want to have to be on until deadline but that's two hours away and we have ties all over, which is currently forcing me to stay awake. -.-"

[BBM]

Okay, seriously, who are we lynching? There are two hours left, people are still switching votes around a lot, and we're no closer to picking a definitive target than we were 5 hours ago. At this point, I just really do not want this to become Higurashi where we lynch someone out of the blue, or like Draft where 2/3 of the people on at phase end are mafia and they create a last-minute power wagon. My first vote goes towards Impy, but I'll join any wagon on her, SB, Subieko, or Eclipse.

[Elieson]

I'm checking in, and seeing that my Marth vote is all by itself. I'll play some catchup and put some worth behind my vote for an alternative, but for the record, I still find Marth the scummiest. I'm just gonna try to see who is the next most likely (out of the tied, if any), worth a vote.

[Kay]

Who the fuck wants attention specifically on themselves? So I'm supposedly scummy for trying to divert attention away from me so town doesn't mislynch even though I'm pointing out flawed logic which you even VERIFIED that what proto said didn't look good. How does that make sense at all? Aren't you contradicting yourself?

Yes, diverting attention away from yourself is scummy.

Look at it this way. Not wanting to be suspected is normal and everyone does it. BUT doing stuff to get out of it like lurking, not stating controversial opinions, etc, IS scummy. Right? Finger pointing is another scummy way to avoid suspicion. How am I contradicting myself?