Psych Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Yeah. I thought he was talking about you-know-what instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 If I redirected eclipse to subi that means she would have no convo open. If I redirected subi to eclipse Eclipse would still have a convo open with whomever she chose to open it with. However neither of these is what happened. Which proves that Tables is lieing. Proto made a good point. Wtf does this mean? Are you saying you targeted Skitty instead of one of Subiclipse? Or did you idle? You act like we should all just believe you over Skitty. I'm not saying I do or don't, but you are essentially saying "i didn't do that, skitty is lying, lynch skitty!". I'm feeling like you are just trying to make yourself look better by trying to take down skitty, who may or may not be scum, with a generalized and remarkably "average" argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Proto made a good point. Wtf does this mean? Are you saying you targeted Skitty instead of one of Subiclipse? Or did you idle? You act like we should all just believe you over Skitty. I'm not saying I do or don't, but you are essentially saying "i didn't do that, skitty is lying, lynch skitty!". I'm feeling like you are just trying to make yourself look better by trying to take down skitty, who may or may not be scum, with a generalized and remarkably "average" argument. This makes pretty good sense actually, combined with Proto's argument that they're both scum trying to get one of them cleared when the other flips scum. But I think Tables's claim is looking worse right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I originally wanted to wait for eclipse to post and she can verify what I'm about to say. I redirected Eclipse to myself. Thus proving Eclipse couldn't have done the kill. Which means, to me Table was 100% scum. The only issue was getting you to believe me. However with Tables tracker claim I know he's lieing because I asked paperblade about how my role works if someone were to track me and I visited myself. And I was told that it would show up as me visiting the first person and self visiting. And since Tables didn't show the tracking as me visiting Eclipse Subi and Myself I know he can't be tracker and he is most definitely scum. For reference here is me asking paperblade in PM instead of over IRC. Would my ability show up as visiting myself if i redirected someone to me and a tracker tracked me? Example I made eclipse target me thus if a tracker was on me it would show me as visiting eclipse and myself. Yes. Why wouldn't it? Thus Tables is bull shitting and is not tracker and is scum. Please lynch now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iris Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Pokemon Trainer. <3 Given all the evidence, + general scumtells from Tables earlier, pretty sure he's scum. Proto's theory should be noted, but I think Tables should definitely be lynched this phase. ##Vote: Tables Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Dear Serious Bananas,You are Wolf. A pilot whose real name is Wolf O'Donnell. He leads a group of mercenaries called Star Wolf. He's crossed paths with Fox many times, and each acknowledges the other as a competent rival. Wolf's constant interference with Fox is a result of Wolf's history with Fox's dad, James. Wolf's long history of criminal enterprise has resulted in a large bounty on his head. During the night, you may reply to your Role PM with "Night X - Observe USER from my Wolfen." You will fly around in your Wolfen out of sight of USER that night, learning who all USER visits and everyone that visits USER. You are allied with the Town. You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated. Here's the real thing. I kept part of it secret to make myself a less important mafia target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Oh, and ##Vote: Tables Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Really SB? If you'd outed that you were both a Tracker and a Watcher earlier, we could've lynched Impy D2, because a TrackerWatcher and a Tracker would be redundant. I'm pretty sure we're not in MYLO/LYLO so changing your claim would be pretty risky at this point, especially as Tables would probably have been lynched today even without your claim. Please don't hide your role like that in future games if outing it would mean an easy lynch. ##Vote: Tables Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawman Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Also, Tables, I targeted you night 2! Which means you should have been able to use your ability twice last night and you didn't even mention that nor did you provide two tracker reports. ##Vote: Tables Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Really SB? If you'd outed that you were both a Tracker and a Watcher earlier, we could've lynched Impy D2, because a TrackerWatcher and a Tracker would be redundant. I'm pretty sure we're not in MYLO/LYLO so changing your claim would be pretty risky for scum at this point, especially as Tables would probably have been lynched today even without your claim. Please don't hide your role like that in future games if outing it would mean an easy lynch. ##Vote: Tables I forgot to add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iris Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 SB, why didn't you counterclaim. Really. Why. BTW, can you restate your results? Since IIRC you just outed your watcher result only for N1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Okay, Proto, what? I picked up on the fact I'd claimed. Yes I know that list of roles was there. No I didn't pay an awful lot of attention to it. I still can't remember exactly what Shinori's claim was and I don't remember his role PM. I'm pretty much playing this game by ear. And seriously, everyone's been saying I'm scummy since I joined the game. I haven't read days 1+2. I've barely skimmed them. I even pointed out there's likely a mafia among the investigation claims, and well, that turned out to be wrong. But it implicated myself. So Shinori, making this claim was pretty likely to get me lynched. As mafia, why wouldn't I just fake something instead? Although ironically, I think Shinori make's a good point. Would mafia really want to go 1 for 1 lynches? It's a sure fire way to lose. And town's already down to one investigation role probably (well, two if Banabas can keep his tracking thing going... if he IS town). Do you really want to mislynch a third one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Tables, can you provide a possible explanation for why the town might have both a TrackerWatcher and a Tracker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iris Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 @Tables what do you think of our Tracker AND Watcher SB? Is he scum that's faking, or do you think you can coexist with one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iris Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 ninja'd :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I've seen all I need to see to vote Skitty. I want to hold off until the other half of the game shows up, especially Eclipse, until I vote though. There is still much to discuss regarding the rest of the players associated with that stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 ... Guys guys. What if. One if the poketrio. Was scum. And is now Masonized to town? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 ... Guys guys. What if. One if the poketrio. Was scum. And is now Masonized to town? That would be pretty stupid. :/ Plus, we likely would have told the others who the rest of the scum team is in our PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Mm, good point. One crackpot theory dismissed :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliriyum Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Has Eclipse said who she is in contact with? ##Unvote Leaning towards lynching Tables at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Has Eclipse said who she is in contact with? ##Unvote Leaning towards lynching Tables at this point. Not yet. She said she planned on contacting Shinori during the night phase though, to try to figure out things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I don't know how strong the scumteam are. Unless there's been a numbers claim, or someone has some good idea of just how strong they are, I think Tracker + Watcher/Tracker is plausible. Unlikely but plausible. I'd point out that Scum!Watcher is also plausible, although Scum!Watcher+Tracker is probably unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 It's highly unlikely that SB is scum because if we lynch you and you flip town, he's probably getting lynched next for not claiming that he was also a Tracker until several days after his Watcher claim.. And we're not in MYLO/LYLO, meaning a 1 for 1 trade is not something mafia would want at all if they could choose it. It's also a different case from Shinori vs Tables, where at least one of you HAS to be scum, meaning the best the mafia can do there is a 1 for 1 trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tables Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Thing is, if I were scum, it didn't have to be a one for one trade. I could have just outed an accurate report (assuming I actually was a tracker, and fakeclaiming tracker if you aren't one is stoopid) and let it go. But I didn't, because I'm not scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Slept on it. ##Vote: Tables I've seen enough. It pretty much has to be a fakeclaim right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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